Dawinists standing on the panic button.

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rjd970 said:
At least your honest about your bias. And I would say I am at least getting somewhere if you feel the need to watch over me.
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Flattering yourself is as big of a waste as your plagiarized soliloquy.
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rjd970 said:
What criteria defines what is "too theoretical"? Are you saying because there isn't a transitional fossil between a cat and dog the whole theory must be wrong? What do we do with the mountain of evidence that supports primates all descended from a single species?
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There's plenty of stuff in the Bible that definitely happened. I guess it should be required reading now.

Students should be learning practical information in school. If they want to know about evolutionary theory, buy a book, or go to college and study.
 
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kptvol said:
There's plenty of stuff in the Bible that definitely happened. I guess it should be required reading now.
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I think it should be required reading for every Christian. My experience is most haven't, and don't know everything that is in it.

Besides, its the fairytale stuff that didn't happen most Christian are generally concerned about.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think it should be required reading for every Christian. My experience is most haven't, and don't know everything that is in it.

Besides, its the fairytale stuff that didn't happen most Christian are generally concerned about.
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Thanks for going off point to take another shot at Christians. And honestly, I've been respectful enough to not just say the stuff you believe flat out "didn't happen".
 
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kptvol said:
Jealousy is an American trait?
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Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."

Wanting what your neighbor has drives capitalism and innovation.

It's also interesting, along with every other piece of property, the neighbors wife is included. That alone tells me God couldn't have really meant this garbage.
 
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kptvol said:
Thanks for going off point to take another shot at Christians. And honestly, I've been respectful enough to not just say the stuff you believe flat out "didn't happen".
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If you believe that man to monkeys is too theoretical, especially given the evidence for it, how can you possibly believe half of what's in the Bible? That is the point I was getting at, and Christian tradition is where most of what was talked about in the OP is coming from.
 
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rjd970 said:
Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."

Wanting what your neighbor has drives capitalism and innovation.

It's also interesting, along with every other piece of property, the neighbors wife is included. That alone tells me God couldn't have really meant this garbage.
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Simplistic to the point of absurd view of capitalism. Trying to place covetousness at the heart of consumer spending is a joevol style generality.

As to innovation, how does wanting something that already exists fit in that equation?
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rjd970 said:
....not to mention the last commandment is completely opposite to the idea of a capitalistic society.
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? How is it completely opposite the idea of a capitalistic society? Capitalism doesn't rely on coveting anything. It's about allowing market forces to set prices/wages. Coveting my neighbors possessions is not the same as wanting possessions for myself. Otherwise, the 10th commandment would be against eating since I want food and my neighbor happens to have some.
 
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rjd970 said:
I don't come across anymore biased or arrogant than you do in the majority of your posts.
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How does this in any way weaken my point or reduce the irony in your comment? You have all the objectivity of Pelosi, yet call me biased.
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rjd970 said:
Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."

Wanting what your neighbor has drives capitalism and innovation.

It's also interesting, along with every other piece of property, the neighbors wife is included. That alone tells me God couldn't have really meant this garbage.
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This is the craziest interpretation of this I've ever seen. Not sure who you are listening to but if this is one of the better attempts to show the folly of religion I'd suggest you and they try again.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Simplistic to the point of absurd view of capitalism. Trying to place covetousness at the heart of consumer spending is a joevol style generality.

As to innovation, how does wanting something that already exists fit in that equation?
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Are you serious with this?

I guess you think Bill Gates wasn't concerned with getting rich, it was all altruistic motives. He didn't create an innovative product because he wanted a fortune?
 
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volinbham said:
This is the craziest interpretation of this I've ever seen. Not sure who you are listening to but if this is one of the better attempts to show the folly of religion I'd suggest you and they try again.
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How do we not interpret the scripture to say someone's wife is considered property?
 
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rjd970 said:
Are you serious with this?

I guess you think Bill Gates wasn't concerned with getting rich, it was all altruistic motives. He didn't create an innovative product because he wanted a fortune?
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The commandment isn't about getting rich. The closest analogy to today is "Don't be a playa hater". It's about being jealous of what your neighbor has.
 
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rjd970 said:
Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."

Wanting what your neighbor has drives capitalism and innovation.

It's also interesting, along with every other piece of property, the neighbors wife is included. That alone tells me God couldn't have really meant this garbage.
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How do you come to the conclusion that the wife is property? You're reading what you want to read. Wanting the best for yourself and your family isn't necessarily driven by jealousy.
 
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rjd970 said:
How do we not interpret the scripture to say someone's wife is considered property?
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See my note above - it's about not pining for what your neighbor's got. Go get your own - if anything it's more pro-capitalism than socialism or communism.
 
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volinbham said:
? How is it completely opposite the idea of a capitalistic society? Capitalism doesn't rely on coveting anything. It's about allowing market forces to set prices/wages. Coveting my neighbors possessions is not the same as wanting possessions for myself. Otherwise, the 10th commandment would be against eating since I want food and my neighbor happens to have some.
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I see somebody with a big house, and I want one too. What do I do? I go better myself so I can get it. I don't understand how the difference your stating with the bolded part.

My neighbor has food, I want some, so I go work for it. If it is just given to me, I don't covet it, and I don't work for it.
 
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rjd970 said:
I see somebody with a big house, and I want one too. What do I do? I go better myself so I can get it. I don't understand how the difference your stating with the bolded part.

My neighbor has food, I want some, so I go work for it. If it is just given to me, I don't covet it, and I don't work for it.
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I generally want food and a house so I'll not starve and have a place to sleep. I guess that's just me.
 
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rjd970 said:
Are you serious with this?

I guess you think Bill Gates wasn't concerned with getting rich, it was all altruistic motives. He didn't create an innovative product because he wanted a fortune?
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I didn't talk about his motives. I said innovation isn't about covering something that exists. It's about meeting a need or desire that exists with something new. Bill Gates changed the world, regardless of the reasons. He might have wanted money, but that's about having gods before God, not coveting.
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rjd970 said:
If you believe that man to monkeys is too theoretical, especially given the evidence for it, how can you possibly believe half of what's in the Bible? That is the point I was getting at, and Christian tradition is where most of what was talked about in the OP is coming from.
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I missed the part where I advocated teaching the Bible in school.
 
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kptvol said:
How do you come to the conclusion that the wife is property? You're reading what you want to read. Wanting the best for yourself and your family isn't necessarily driven by jealousy.
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Every other thing in the list is property...slave, ox, ass, etc...your reading what you want by simply declaring wife isn't included, even though she is listed in the middle of the whole passage. The clear intent is that the wife is considered property to be coveted, along with everything else.
 
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rjd970 said:
I see somebody with a big house, and I want one too. What do I do? I go better myself so I can get it. I don't understand how the difference your stating with the bolded part.

My neighbor has food, I want some, so I go work for it. If it is just given to me, I don't covet it, and I don't work for it.
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So you think the commandment was you shouldn't want anything? By equating wanting something with coveting that is essentially what you are saying.

Where on earth did you come up with this interpretation? Is it a common atheist "gotcha" or is it one you came up with. Either way it is about the worst one I've ever heard - seriously.
 
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