'20 DC FS Mordecai McDaniel (FL commit)

[Sleegro]

I have clearly made a wrong turn somewhere and ended up in flavortown.

No regerts

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Do YOU follow Tennessee football? Because if you did you would know we pay our assistants way too much money to have anything less than a top 10 class.

You dont know that much about recruiting obviously

 

[jim pique]

Slaughter being a hitter,look back at Aaron Beasley,his high school highlights.He is an absolute "thumper".Would be a great strong safety next year

 

[volfan2024]

I’m fine with this. If he doesn’t want to be a Vol I surely don’t want him playing half hearted for us.

 

[37620VOL]

The PWOs went to the 85. Transfers filled the remaining spot last year.

But they are still initial counters. See post #1 and #13 here... Blueshirting and Trying to Explain the Rules

 

[SLICKYINC]

But they are still initial counters. See post #1 and #13 here... Blueshirting and Trying to Explain the Rules

They didn’t count in the 25 from the 19 class.

 

[Roustabout]

You thought wrong

That isn’t what I took exception with. Geez. Everyone knows there is a 25 man limit. Their number were limited because of forward signing.

 

[Shirleyudontmeanthat]

According to 24/7 Sports Butch Jones had # 7 class in 2014, # 4 class in 2015 then #14 in 2016 and # 17 in 2017. Pruitt's first class was # 21 and we are currently # 19 for 2020...so in truth Butch has out recruited Pruitt thus far when we compare. Yes this is "star gazing" I guess..but it is what it is. We may damper the importance of high ranking classes...but Pruitt said himself we would be "back at the top" the next year of his recruiting. He didn't win awards for recruiting for getting low ranked players into Alabama.

We can debate the two coaches differences in coaching ability and development of players etc....but as far as recruiting goes....Pruitt hasn't come close to Butch. That can change...but based on where we are now...I'm not sure how much for the 2020 class.

2014 average player rank - 3.65
2015 - 3.69
2016 - 3.5
2017 - 3.29

 

[Behr]

Wrong. The HC and assistants are paid to win football games not to have recruiting sites rank their classes in the top 10.

Clemson's classes under Swinney are instructive here. His first class was 2009 and was outside the top 25. That class started what Clemson has now. After a losing season their Fr year, they won 10+ games in the next 3.

Dabo's second class was 27th. This class would never win less than 10 games. His third class was 10th. As Srs, this class would lead them to their first playoff. His 4th class was 20th and were Srs when Dabo won his first NC. His 5th class 15th. His 6th was 16th.... 7th was 9th... 8th was 11th... 9th was 16th... 10th was 9th... 11th was 10th... and they are currently ranked 2nd.

How much national success is represented by those classes that average ranking outside the top 10?


Dabo Swinney and his staff do not use Rivals or 247 to tell them which players have the right character and talent. They get the right kinds of players and then they develop them. So get all jacked up because sports writers who have no means of evaluating all of these kids rate one kid over another... in large measure because of who is pursuing them... if you want. Pruitt's job does not depend on us "feeling" good on NSD like we did so often with Jones. It depends on finding and developing players that can win games.

@jonesknows12

 

[butchna]

You dont know that much about recruiting obviously

He’s a guest...well he invited himself.

 

[VOLSONLY]

Wrong. The HC and assistants are paid to win football games not to have recruiting sites rank their classes in the top 10.

Clemson's classes under Swinney are instructive here. His first class was 2009 and was outside the top 25. That class started what Clemson has now. After a losing season their Fr year, they won 10+ games in the next 3.

Dabo's second class was 27th. This class would never win less than 10 games. His third class was 10th. As Srs, this class would lead them to their first playoff. His 4th class was 20th and were Srs when Dabo won his first NC. His 5th class 15th. His 6th was 16th.... 7th was 9th... 8th was 11th... 9th was 16th... 10th was 9th... 11th was 10th... and they are currently ranked 2nd.

How much national success is represented by those classes that average ranking outside the top 10?


Dabo Swinney and his staff do not use Rivals or 247 to tell them which players have the right character and talent. They get the right kinds of players and then they develop them. So get all jacked up because sports writers who have no means of evaluating all of these kids rate one kid over another... in large measure because of who is pursuing them... if you want. Pruitt's job does not depend on us "feeling" good on NSD like we did so often with Jones. It depends on finding and developing players that can win games.

Good post!!

 

[VOLSONLY]

I’m fine with this. If he doesn’t want to be a Vol I surely don’t want him playing half hearted for us.

But your Avatar seems to be stressing. Every time I see it I think your always stressed!! Lol

 

[davethevol]

Now that he’s no longer coming here, I’d like to say his name reminds me of Children Of The Corn.

 

[butchna]

Now that he’s no longer coming here, I’d like to say his name reminds me of Children Of The Corn.

That was Mordecai.

 

[jonesknows12]

Wrong. The HC and assistants are paid to win football games not to have recruiting sites rank their classes in the top 10.

Clemson's classes under Swinney are instructive here. His first class was 2009 and was outside the top 25. That class started what Clemson has now. After a losing season their Fr year, they won 10+ games in the next 3.

Dabo's second class was 27th. This class would never win less than 10 games. His third class was 10th. As Srs, this class would lead them to their first playoff. His 4th class was 20th and were Srs when Dabo won his first NC. His 5th class 15th. His 6th was 16th.... 7th was 9th... 8th was 11th... 9th was 16th... 10th was 9th... 11th was 10th... and they are currently ranked 2nd.

How much national success is represented by those classes that average ranking outside the top 10?


Dabo Swinney and his staff do not use Rivals or 247 to tell them which players have the right character and talent. They get the right kinds of players and then they develop them. So get all jacked up because sports writers who have no means of evaluating all of these kids rate one kid over another... in large measure because of who is pursuing them... if you want. Pruitt's job does not depend on us "feeling" good on NSD like we did so often with Jones. It depends on finding and developing players that can win games.

Dabo’s success in the first 2-3 years was directly related to the fact that Bowden didn’t have anything less than a top 15 class the 4 years before Dabo took over. And as far as your comment about not being paid to recruit... You’re telling me we brought Tee back to be passing game coordinator? No, we brought him back because of who he is and how good he recruits. 4 of our assistants were rated top 20 recruiters in the nation before they came to UT. And of those 4, none of them have even broken the top 50 since they’ve been at UT. You’re lying to yourself if you think they aren’t under performing as recruiters.

 

[sjt18]

Dabo’s success in the first 2-3 years was directly related to the fact that Bowden didn’t have anything less than a top 15 class the 4 years before Dabo took over.

Top 15.... Not top 5. Not classes loved by the recruiting sites.... and you failed to explain why his success and that of the program went UP as his NSD rankings actually went down.

And as far as your comment about not being paid to recruit... You’re telling me we brought Tee back to be passing game coordinator?

Where did I say they weren't being paid to recruit? Hint: I didn't.

No, we brought him back because of who he is and how good he recruits. 4 of our assistants were rated top 20 recruiters in the nation before they came to UT. And of those 4, none of them have even broken the top 50 since they’ve been at UT. You’re lying to yourself if you think they aren’t under performing as recruiters.

And you are lying to yourself if you think you or the good folks at Rivals and 247 know more than UT's staff and the WELL PAID recruiting service they use to evaluate players. You are also lying to yourself if you think the fanbased recruiting sites don't miss... a lot... when they don't follow the top programs to see who they're chasing.

What the fanbased sites do isn't close to an exact science. They have neither the resources nor time to look at film on the 3,000+ players who will sign an FBS scholarship. They "find" talent 3 ways. Recruit handlers find ways to get them to look at film and also push for a high ranking. They attend camps and all star games. They follow programs that have proven they can successfully find talent.

In a couple of years we'll see if these 3* that you are so convinced are inferior prospects actually are. But stop "lying to yourself" about the rankings being ironclad measures of the amount of talent a program is getting.

UT has pretty much had high rankings throughout this LONG slump. The harsh reality for folks like you is that the coach that eventually turns UT around will do two things exceptionally well. They'll find talent that others miss. They will be EXCELLENT at developing players. That very well may make you unhappy with recruiting rankings.

 

[Pride85]

Is CJP and staff ever going to be able to hang on to recruits? I mean come on this is just getting ridiculous. We have the most over paid staff in the nation.

And the most irrational fans......well at least one

 

[TJSVOLS]

Dabo’s success in the first 2-3 years was directly related to the fact that Bowden didn’t have anything less than a top 15 class the 4 years before Dabo took over. And as far as your comment about not being paid to recruit... You’re telling me we brought Tee back to be passing game coordinator? No, we brought him back because of who he is and how good he recruits. 4 of our assistants were rated top 20 recruiters in the nation before they came to UT. And of those 4, none of them have even broken the top 50 since they’ve been at UT. You’re lying to yourself if you think they aren’t under performing as recruiters.

No kidding, are you the butch Jones?

 

[vfl_gbo]

He was a 3 star.

There was a link posted in this very thread from 24/7 that has him as a four-star.

Additionally, there is a comment later in the thread about how he went from a 3 to a 4 star after leaving.

Either way, we lost a 3/4 Star cornerback to Florida. A recruit who had multiple offers from power 5 schools. Don't try to downgrade it or perform mental gymnastics to soften the the loss.

 

[butchna]

There was a link posted in this very thread from 24/7 that has him as a four-star.

Additionally, there is a comment later in the thread about how he went from a 3 to a 4 star after leaving.

Either way, we lost a 3/4 Star cornerback to Florida. A recruit who had multiple offers from power 5 schools. Don't try to downgrade it or perform mental gymnastics to soften the the loss.

Yeah I read it...a day ago. “Don’t try” to make a bigger deal out of it just because he was a 3 star that you self haters put down until he decommitted and went to a school that has the coach who makes your heart atwitter. Somebody LOST their mother tonight. This is a kid who picked a different school than the one “we” root for. #Perspective Hope you find some.

 

[JOHN ROCKER]

Wrong. The HC and assistants are paid to win football games not to have recruiting sites rank their classes in the top 10.

Clemson's classes under Swinney are instructive here. His first class was 2009 and was outside the top 25. That class started what Clemson has now. After a losing season their Fr year, they won 10+ games in the next 3.

Dabo's second class was 27th. This class would never win less than 10 games. His third class was 10th. As Srs, this class would lead them to their first playoff. His 4th class was 20th and were Srs when Dabo won his first NC. His 5th class 15th. His 6th was 16th.... 7th was 9th... 8th was 11th... 9th was 16th... 10th was 9th... 11th was 10th... and they are currently ranked 2nd.

How much national success is represented by those classes that average ranking outside the top 10?


Dabo Swinney and his staff do not use Rivals or 247 to tell them which players have the right character and talent. They get the right kinds of players and then they develop them. So get all jacked up because sports writers who have no means of evaluating all of these kids rate one kid over another... in large measure because of who is pursuing them... if you want. Pruitt's job does not depend on us "feeling" good on NSD like we did so often with Jones. It depends on finding and developing players that can win games.

Now all we need is Dabo

 

[sjt18]

Now all we need is Dabo

Or... someone else who knows how to spot and coach up talent. Hopefully that's Pruitt.

 

[JOHN ROCKER]

Or... someone else who knows how to spot and coach up talent. Hopefully that's Pruitt.

I hope so too

 

[Cormock Mac]

No kidding, are you the butch Jones?

That was a real intelligent reply Mrs. Pruitt

 

[TJSVOLS]

That was a real intelligent reply Mrs. Pruitt

Yea, was I talking to you ? And aren't you clever that's the first time that line has been used on VN. Go away troll...