Dear Trae...

#51
#51
MannyD said:
Smart man. I agree. Hopefully he and Tobias can get together this summer, and Tobias can introduce him to some of his NBA buddies. A little mentoring from pros could go a long way. If Trae has aspirations of playing professionally, I'm sure he realizes it'll have to be as a PG. Money is a great motivator for improvement.
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BINGO. If he wants to play in the NBA his only chance is at PG. So the sooner he goes all in and learns the position the better his chance are.
 
#52
#52
cncchris33 said:
It's not so much about heaping praise on the former staff for having their name mentioned with elite players. I am just trying to debunk the theory that they grossly mishandled and blatantly ignored recruiting the PG position, because it's not true. They didn't land anyone, but it wasn't for lack of trying. They recruited plenty, and thought they had several. Bad luck for them and now a bad problem for Martin.
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That is fair enough I just have an issue that they continued to recruit problematic at this position, ramar, west, Selby, jones. It seemed liked craft would finally be that guy and then he fled quicker than imagined.
 
#55
#55
I don't see how CBP can be blamed for not bringing in a PG when he didn't have the chance to recruit the Spring signing period.

Jordan Howell
Ramar Smith
Bobby Maze
Melvin Goins
Josh Tabb
Josh Bone
JP Prince

Players to play the point under CBP. Not a very impressive list at all. It's hard to believe we ever won a game with any of them playing point. Howell was already here so Pearl didn't sign him. Tabb signed in the fall. The rest were all either signed or transferred in the Spring. Going off CBP recruiting history, you would think that "IF" he had the opportunity to recruit the Spring class, then he would have brought someone in to play the point. Probably wouldn't have been a great player, but as we can see, sometimes you don't need a great pg to win 20 games.
 
#56
#56
johnnybravo said:
I don't see how CBP can be blamed for not bringing in a PG when he didn't have the chance to recruit the Spring signing period.

Jordan Howell
Ramar Smith
Bobby Maze
Melvin Goins
Josh Tabb
Josh Bone
JP Prince

Players to play the point under CBP. Not a very impressive list at all. It's hard to believe we ever won a game with any of them playing point. Howell was already here so Pearl didn't sign him. Tabb signed in the fall. The rest were all either signed or transferred in the Spring. Going off CBP recruiting history, you would think that "IF" he had the opportunity to recruit the Spring class, then he would have brought someone in to play the point. Probably wouldn't have been a great player, but as we can see, sometimes you don't need a great pg to win 20 games.
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As you said Howell wasn't recruited by pearl. Ramar was here 2 years? Josh tabb was here 2 years? Josh bone was a reserve except for a couple games. Jp prince played point in the NCAA because we didn't have a good enough pg, who was it he replaced? That was a couple game trial, didn't work. That leaves goins and maze as the only 2 guys on that list who quite honestly were worth a damn at point and would maybe compete for PG on this team, the other guys not a chance. So yes IF pearl could have recruited he would have lande someone, but he couldn't so it's a moot point. If pearl could have recruited itd mean he wouldn't have cheated, if he hadn't have cheated we probably would have aaron craft and not worried about needing a juco such as maze/goins.

All I'm saying is I don't see any of those guys you listed as making us capable of winning 20 games as you stated. There was a lot more talent on those teams than there is on this team. Therefore an average point 1. Looks better and 2. Gets more wins. An average point guard on this team would look just like an average point guard.
 
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#57
#57
bleedingTNorange said:
As you said Howell wasn't recruited by pearl. Ramar was here 2 years? Josh tabb was here 2 years? Josh bone was a reserve except for a couple games. Jp prince played point in the NCAA because we didn't have a good enough pg, who was it he replaced? That was a couple game trial, didn't work. That leaves goins and maze as the only 2 guys on that list who quite honestly were worth a damn at point and would maybe compete for PG on this team, the other guys not a chance. So yes IF pearl could have recruited he would have lande someone, but he couldn't so it's a moot point. If pearl could have recruited itd mean he wouldn't have cheated, if he hadn't have cheated we probably would have aaron craft and not worried about needing a juco such as maze/goins.
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Nothing Pearl did had anything to do with Craft not coming to TN. Pearl got on Craft very early before any top school did. Craft committed early in his Jr year. Once Craft started to shine, OSU offered. Craft is from Ohio. He's always been a OSU fan. His whole family are big OSU fans. OSU was not interested in him when Pearl offered. It was his dream to play at OSU. Nothing Pearl or anyone could do to change Crafts decision once OSU offered.

My point exactly, none of the pgs we had were either any good or barely average (Maze). You can still win 20+ games with a bad pg. Besides Maze, I would think that Golden is a better pg than any of the others on the list. Would you agree?
 
#58
#58
johnnybravo said:
Nothing Pearl did had anything to do with Craft not coming to TN. Pearl got on Craft very early before any top school did. Craft committed early in his Jr year. Once Craft started to shine, OSU offered. Craft is from Ohio. He's always been a OSU fan. His whole family are big OSU fans. OSU was not interested in him when Pearl offered. It was his dream to play at OSU. Nothing Pearl or anyone could do to change Crafts decision once OSU offered.

My point exactly, none of the pgs we had were either any good or barely average (Maze). You can still win 20+ games with a bad pg. Besides Maze, I would think that Golden is a better pg than any of the others on the list. Would you agree?
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I think if BBQ gate didn't happen we'd have had a shot if keeping him. Pearl telling his dad don't tell people really didn't help things though.

I edited my post and touched on this I don't think any of those pg make us a 20 win team. Those pg had a lot more talent on their team than this team has. It's much easier for an average pg to be on a team with lots of talent. It makes it easier and honestly makes them look better, I really don't see any of those guys making us a 20 win team. I honestly think golden is better than maze was, I think maze benefited from the talent he had around him: I don't see maze at PG and us being in better shape than we are now.
 
#59
#59
bleedingTNorange said:
I think if BBQ gate didn't happen we'd have had a shot if keeping him. Pearl telling his dad don't tell people really didn't help things though.

I edited my post and touched on this I don't think any of those pg make us a 20 win team. Those pg had a lot more talent on their team than this team has. It's much easier for an average pg to be on a team with lots of talent. It makes it easier and honestly makes them look better, I really don't see any of those guys making us a 20 win team. I honestly think golden is better than maze was, I think maze benefited from the talent he had around him: I don't see maze at PG and us being in better shape than we are now.
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So you are saying that "you" think that Golden is the best pg that we have had in the last 6 years since Watson?
 
#60
#60
bleedingTNorange said:
I think if BBQ gate didn't happen we'd have had a shot if keeping him. Pearl telling his dad don't tell people really didn't help things though.

I edited my post and touched on this I don't think any of those pg make us a 20 win team. Those pg had a lot more talent on their team than this team has. It's much easier for an average pg to be on a team with lots of talent. It makes it easier and honestly makes them look better, I really don't see any of those guys making us a 20 win team. I honestly think golden is better than maze was, I think maze benefited from the talent he had around him: I don't see maze at PG and us being in better shape than we are now.
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Maze's presence this year would allow Golden to play SG. That is an upgrade at SG and a no less than an even trade at PG. This team is much better with that lineup, both offensively and defensively.
 
#62
#62
cncchris33 said:
Maze's presence this year would allow Golden to play SG. That is an upgrade at SG and a no less than an even trade at PG. This team is much better with that lineup, both offensively and defensively.
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I agree. I don't see an upgrade at pg and we do lose offense at point that way but upgrade the SG position a lot. Would we be better, yea probably. 20 win team better, eh I don't know about that.
 
#63
#63
bleedingTNorange said:
Maze or golden I feel it's very close.
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Point is that you continuously have spelled out that CBP has left us in this situation of having no pg and not recruited a pg, or recruiting a sg playing pg, but "you" have just said that CBP has left us a pg that is better or just as good as any other pg that CBP has had in 5 of the 6 years that he coached here.
 
#64
#64
johnnybravo said:
Point is that you continuously have spelled out that CBP has left us in this situation of having no pg and not recruited a pg, or recruiting a sg playing pg, but "you" have just said that CBP has left us a pg that is better or just as good as any other pg that CBP has had in 5 of the 6 years that he coached here.
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Yet which if you read earlier posts you'd realize isnt saying much. We have not had what I would consider to be a very good PG since cj Watson how hard is this to understand. You simply asked if I think golden is better than maze I say yes, I don't think maze was that good. Is this that hard to understand?
 
#65
#65
bleedingTNorange said:
Yet which if you read earlier posts you'd realize isnt saying much. We have not had what I would consider to be a very good PG since cj Watson how hard is this to understand. You simply asked if I think golden is better than maze I say yes, I don't think maze was that good. Is this that hard to understand?
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Not hard to understand at all. He left us the best pg that we have had in the past 6 years. Still won a ton of games with bad or average pgs over the last 5 years. So, if Golden is the best pg that CBP has had since Watson, then maybe he wasn't that concerned with that position.
 
#66
#66
johnnybravo said:
Not hard to understand at all. He left us the best pg that we have had in the past 6 years. Still won a ton of games with bad or average pgs over the last 5 years. So, if Golden is the best pg that CBP has had since Watson, then maybe he wasn't that concerned with that position.
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And what is your point?
 
#70
#70
johnnybravo said:
Not hard to understand at all. He left us the best pg that we have had in the past 6 years. Still won a ton of games with bad or average pgs over the last 5 years. So, if Golden is the best pg that CBP has had since Watson, then maybe he wasn't that concerned with that position.
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i really dont get what you are trying to say or where you are trying to go with this. i have said the same thing for awhile now, Pearl has failed to bring in a very good PG. IMO golden is honestly the best we have had since cj watson, go look at ALL the numbers if you want. i find it extremely ironic that this guy averages over 5 assists a game, pretty much 2 more a game than any other pg since cj watson who averaged 5 assists in 2004. So it has been 8 years since we have had a PG dish dimes like golden has, he also has the same assist:turnover ratio, if not better than every PG in the last 8 years as well which is when cj watson was here. Take a look at these number pretty interesting i think:


Minutes/game: CJ-31.9 TG-31.2
Points/game: CJ-15.3 TG-14.3
Rebounds/game: CJ-3.1 TG-3.1
Assists/game: CJ-3.9 TG-5.1
Steals/game: CJ-2.1 TG-1.1
Assist:T.O ratio: CJ-1.8 TG-1.8
field goal % CJ-46% TG-46%
3 point % CJ-42% TG-38%
free throw % CJ-88% TG-83%

the way that golden gets bashed and his numbers match up like this to the guy that people are always praising(for good reason). please just look at these numbers real good and realize what it is that you are saying about golden. BTW this is Trae's SOPHOMORE year, the year i have of watson is his SENIOR year.
 
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#71
#71
bleedingTNorange said:
i understand he obviously cant make anybody come to UT, he brought in guys all the other years he was here. other posters on this board feel that goins, and maze would both be an upgrade over golden at the PG position. those guys were not pearl's first choice i can guarantee that, they were second choice guys becuase his number one guys turned him down. i dont remember pearl ever bringing in a pg that was as much of a project as wes though, i will say that. what my oringinal post was was that pearl did not have a pg coming in, so golden is what we were left with at PG whether it was pearl here or ccm. therefore, we have nobody to blame for not having any other pg on the roster beside pearl. as i said many on here wish we had atleast a goins or a maze to play at pg but we dont even have a serviceable back up. thats all i was saying he left us with nothing at that position.
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Obviously he didn't leave us with nothing at that position when we were left with a pg that is better than any other pg that he had in the last 5 years.
 
#72
#72
johnnybravo said:
Obviously he didn't leave us with nothing at that position when we were left with a pg that is better than any other pg that he had in the last 5 years.
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If you read the line before I state he didnt leave us with a serviceable PG. If he had left us with atleast another PG like a maze or goins who you all think is better than golden anyway, they could start at PG and golden t SG thus making us a better team the year. That's kind of what I was saying there. I also have my doubts that we get this production from trae if pearl is the coach. Trae decided to bust his butt in the off season when ccm was hired on here.
 
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