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#27
#27
OrangeParker said:
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but I’m not super impressed with Banks. Defense was really stout this year, but they also had a ton of depth. Will be deep next year too. It is fair to say he’s done a good job, but man they did not show up in games when they were evenly matched. The game planning was poor and I didn’t see much creativity. I think he’s decent, but I also think we could do way better. Would love to see Venables as DC one day.
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More popular than you think I believe. I just think it's fascinating that Hazle doesn't catch half the ire that Banks does. Everyone focuses on the defense against Ohio State and Georgia but forget the fact we were beyond flaccid offensively
 
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Vawlk Tuah said:
More popular than you think I believe. I just think it's fascinating that Hazle doesn't catch half the ire that Banks does. Everyone focuses on the defense against Ohio State and Georgia but forget the fact we were beyond flaccid offensively
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Idk. I’ve heard way more people calling for Halzle’s head than Banks. Hell I don’t think it’s even close.
 
#30
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DaddyChad said:
Idk. I’ve heard way more people calling for Halzle’s head than Banks. Hell I don’t think it’s even close.
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Interesting, it's been the reverse for me. Maybe it's been because of him being linked to the Miami and Clemson gigs that has caused it but since the playoff game it's been consistently Banks I've seen.
 
#31
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Vawlk Tuah said:
1 point difference in ppg avg. We got worse by a lot in the red zone efficiency. 24 team blew out G5 teams but struggled to break 27 in conference where as the 23 team basically stayed around 30 regardless who they played.
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2023 vs SEC
Florida 16
SC 41
A&M 20
Bama 20
Kentucky 33
Missouri 7
Georgia 10
Vandy 48

24.4 points per game

If you add Virginia and Iowa (49+35) you bump that up to 27.9.

2024 vs SEC
Oklahoma 25
Arkansas 14
Florida 23
Bama 24
Kentucky 28
Mississippi State 33
Georgia 17
Vandy 36

25 points per game

If you want to do power 5 as you said you add NCST and Ohio State (51+17) and the average goes up to 26.8

The obvious problem with your argument is that NCST and Ohio St are far better opponents than Iowa and Virginia.

So what you’re really saying is “we didn’t score a lot against Ohio State”….okay?

Outside of Oregon no one scored more against Ohio State than we did.
 
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Vol8188 said:
2023 vs SEC
Florida 16
SC 41
A&M 20
Bama 20
Kentucky 33
Missouri 7
Georgia 10
Vandy 48

24.4 points per game

If you add Virginia and Iowa (49+35) you bump that up to 27.9.

2024 vs SEC
Oklahoma 25
Arkansas 14
Florida 23
Bama 24
Kentucky 28
Mississippi State 33
Georgia 17
Vandy 36

25 points per game

If you want to do power 5 as you said you add NCST and Ohio State (51+17) and the average goes up to 26.8

The obvious problem with your argument is that NCST and Ohio St are far better opponents than Iowa and Virginia.

So what you’re really saying is “we didn’t score a lot against Ohio State”….okay?

Outside of Oregon no one scored more against Ohio State than we did.
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NC State was horrible. Look at the red zone efficiency. You left that part out.
We went from #63 in 2023 to #90 this year... I don't know about you but that is probably the worst stat to drop in. You're trading TD's for field goals or not scoring at all. Both these years you're wanting to argue about were with Hazle at OC. Those two years Banks defense has gotten better and better. I'm just pointing out that I've seen more hate for banks than Hazle, not regress into a squabble like we are 10
 
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#33
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Vawlk Tuah said:
NC State was horrible. Look at the red zone efficiency. You left that part out.
We went from #63 in 2023 to #90 this year... I don't know about you but that is probably the worst stat to drop in. You're trading TD's for field goals or not scoring at all. Both these years you're wanting to argue about were with Hazle at OC. Those two years Banks defense has gotten better and better. I'm just pointing out that I've seen more hate for banks than Hazle, not regress into a squabble like we are 10
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Virginia won 3 games in 2023. Virginia and Iowa are both far worse than NCSt and Ohio State. It’s a joke to pretend otherwise.

As far as red sound you’re talking about a difference in 84% vs 80%. I imagine if we you add in a few missed field goals and get back a couple of Dylan Sampson fumbles, that number changes dramatically
 
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Vol8188 said:
Virginia won 3 games in 2023. Virginia and Iowa are both far worse than NCSt and Ohio State. It’s a joke to pretend otherwise.

As far as red sound you’re talking about a difference in 84% vs 80%. I imagine if we you add in a few missed field goals and get back a couple of Dylan Sampson fumbles, that number changes dramatically
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Iowa played in the B10 championship game lol. They didn't suck, NC State did. You can't use hypotheticals to justify your point as right. We use what is not what could have been. A four percent change is huge actually. It's the difference between 30 spots in ranking lol. Let's part to agree to disagree.
 
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Vawlk Tuah said:
Iowa played in the B10 championship game lol. They didn't suck, NC State did. You can't use hypotheticals to justify your point as right. We use what is not what could have been. A four percent change is huge actually. It's the difference between 30 spots in ranking lol. Let's part to agree to disagree.
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Iowa and Virginia
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Ohio St and NCST

Meaning the comparison shouldn’t be “Iowa was better than NC St!”

Yeah, buddy! They were. Good job!

The comparison would be Virginia (3 win) vs Nc St (6 win) and Iowa vs Ohio State.

The obvious answer is the 2024 opponents were better.

A 4% change is incredibly small. Likely a difference in 2 possessions given we probably have around 50 total red zone trips on the season (50 trips in 2023 vs 61 attempts in 2024)

In short…your arguments are trash arguments based on things you’ve failed to properly evaluate
 
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#36
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Vawlk Tuah said:
Our DC has systematically improved year over year and our OC has systematically gotten worse year over year. Banks is the last one I want to leave outside of Heupel and Rodney. What are the thoughts on the board? I want Hazle demoted more than losing Banks.
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You do understand that Hazle is OC in name only. He’s eyes in the sky for Heupel who is calling plays and communicating with the Nico.
 
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OrangeParker said:
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but I’m not super impressed with Banks. Defense was really stout this year, but they also had a ton of depth. Will be deep next year too. It is fair to say he’s done a good job, but man they did not show up in games when they were evenly matched. The game planning was poor and I didn’t see much creativity. I think he’s decent, but I also think we could do way better. Would love to see Venables as DC one day.
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Exactly. Georgia had drives of 74, 87, 88, and 92 yards against our defense, and I won’t even mention Ohio State. You absolutely have to scheme better against more talented teams, and Banks didn’t. You can’t let them run all over your defense while consuming the clock, too. Offense has so many fewer possessions.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Ummmm he did. He killed a handful of them including Rommel after a failed assasination.
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That's not systemic liquidation such as Stalin whatsoever, most were from before his rise to power on top of this. Heupel must liquidate his generals like Stalin or face the music!
 
#40
#40
volfan4evr said:
IMO, Banks's success is because of Gardner. He's a great Dline coach.
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And he doesn't use that success like he should. The games we usually have problems with are teams with great Olines, GA, Ohio State, and alabama 5 5 star OL players. Tenn D lines has 2 sometimes 3 great players. Most of the time our dline can outplay the middle of road O lines without blitzing on obvious passing downs. You run the same defense on a great line, you'll lose more than you win.
 
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OrangeParker said:
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but I’m not super impressed with Banks. Defense was really stout this year, but they also had a ton of depth. Will be deep next year too. It is fair to say he’s done a good job, but man they did not show up in games when they were evenly matched. The game planning was poor and I didn’t see much creativity. I think he’s decent, but I also think we could do way better. Would love to see Venables as DC one day.
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I agree with you. I've never been high on Banks!
 
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#42
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Vawlk Tuah said:
Our DC has systematically improved year over year and our OC has systematically gotten worse year over year. Banks is the last one I want to leave outside of Heupel and Rodney. What are the thoughts on the board? I want Hazle demoted more than losing Banks.
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Halzle doesn't call plays. If you don't like the offense, you can blame Heupel
 
#44
#44
OrangeParker said:
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but I’m not super impressed with Banks. Defense was really stout this year, but they also had a ton of depth. Will be deep next year too. It is fair to say he’s done a good job, but man they did not show up in games when they were evenly matched. The game planning was poor and I didn’t see much creativity. I think he’s decent, but I also think we could do way better. Would love to see Venables as DC one day.
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A good job?? He took us from 90th to 8th in total defense nationally in 4 years. My God. What would be considered great to you?
 
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The offensive play calling and game planning were terrible this year. Change at OC is needed and Heupel needs to figure out how we went from an explosive, creative high scoring offense to a very predictable and easy to shut down sh*t show.
Teams knew what we were going to run. Changes are needed
 
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#48
Vol8188 said:
Iowa and Virginia
VS
Ohio St and NCST

Meaning the comparison shouldn’t be “Iowa was better than NC St!”

Yeah, buddy! They were. Good job!

The comparison would be Virginia (3 win) vs Nc St (6 win) and Iowa vs Ohio State.

The obvious answer is the 2024 opponents were better.

A 4% change is incredibly small. Likely a difference in 2 possessions given we probably have around 50 total red zone trips on the season (50 trips in 2023 vs 61 attempts in 2024)

In short…your arguments are trash arguments based on things you’ve failed to properly evaluate
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Ok man, you love our downgrade at offense. I get it. Hazle is above reproach and as long as it's a 4% regression in red zone efficiency, marking us in the bottom of FBS football that's fine.
 
#49
#49
Vawlk Tuah said:
Ok man, you love our downgrade at offense. I get it. Hazle is above reproach and as long as it's a 4% regression in red zone efficiency, marking us in the bottom of FBS football that's fine.
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You’ve yet to show a downgrade. We scored more points and had better competition. We scored more against Ohio State than any team other than Oregon.

Your entire claim is based on the results of 2 or 3 possessions. That’s absurdity. Even you realize it, which is why you’re not even trying to defend it. Rather you’re just blindly claiming it was a “downgrade”.
 
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