Decision on number of conference games (2016 and beyond) to come by spring meetings

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wolfej said:
The SEC will NEVER get rid of TN/Bama. They would restructure the SEC divisions before they would let that happen.

If we move to 9 games we'll most likely have one fixed inter-divisional game and 2 rotating.
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I can see that. Move Vandy and Mizzou to the west, and Bama and Auburn to the east.
 
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volfan4evr said:
What is going to happen to the nine game mandatory schedule if the SEC goes to a 16 team format? IMO that's on the horizon and is going to happen. Just asking.
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Two more members? Seriously doubt it. Adding a 13th and 14th has put a serious kink in basketball scheduling, and two more would be chaotic. Some football teams in the same conference might only play once in six years. That is a joke, IMO.
 
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TrueOrange said:
The ADs aren't the ones that cast the deciding vote on this matter though.
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The presidents/chancellors are coming in on the discussion, but I don't expect any of them to go against the recommendations of their athletic directors. That would be an extremely rare move on their part. Can't actually remember the last time they went against the ADs.
 
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TNnative said:
Two more members? Seriously doubt it. Adding a 13th and 14th has put a serious kink in basketball scheduling, and two more would be chaotic. Some football teams in the same conference might only play once in six years. That is a joke, IMO.
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That's already happening. 16 teams is actually easier to schedule than 14.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The presidents/chancellors are coming in on the discussion, but I don't expect any of them to go against the recommendations of their athletic directors. That would be an extremely rare move on their part. Can't actually remember the last time they went against the ADs.
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The SEC Championship Game. Only a couple of ADs were for it. Every coach opposed it. Kramer was able to convince the presidents over those objections.
 
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Go back to six conference games like it was in the past and have six non-conference games.
 
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We need to add an additional 2-3 games to the regular season and this issue wouldn't but such an issue.
 
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Wth the BCS era over I wonder if the conference is too big now? Looking at it, the SECCG is going to hurt more than it's going to help.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Wth the BCS era over I wonder if the conference is too big now? Looking at it, the SECCG is going to hurt more than it's going to help.
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The SEC could always do away with the SECCG and the divisions. I would be for doing away with the divisions and just having 12 teams and a conference champion(sort of like the set up prior to 1992).
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Wth the BCS era over I wonder if the conference is too big now? Looking at it, the SECCG is going to hurt more than it's going to help.
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4/5 of the conferences have a title game, and the fith plays a nine game round robin. The SEC is at no disadvantage.
 
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Weather we move to 9 games or not, I believe every team should have rotating cross conference schedules. No more set East vs West game; i.e Tennessee Vs. Bammer, Florida Vs. LSU, USCjr Vs. Arkasas...
 
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beasley11 said:
Weather we move to 9 games or not, I believe every team should have rotating cross conference schedules. No more set East vs West game; i.e Tennessee Vs. Bammer, Florida Vs. LSU, USCjr Vs. Arkasas...
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South Carolina and Arkansas don't play each other any more. As of the 2014 season, South Carolina now play Texas A&M, while Arkansas now plays Missouri.

You also have too many historical rivalries that a good handful of these universities don't want to throw away. The front office also likes making sure any of the bigger/more successful schools of the conference plays at least one of the other big 6/more successful schools in a given year. Among other things, it helps produce the ratings (plus it generally in the past has prevented the bigger universities from drawing a Kentucky, Vanderbilt / Ole Miss, Mississippi State type of season)
 
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Dave1967 said:
The SEC could always do away with the SECCG and the divisions. I would be for doing away with the divisions and just having 12 teams and a conference champion(sort of like the set up prior to 1992).
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You'd have to have the university presidents vote out 2 members, to start (which would do nothing but wreck the television income the schools receive...not to mention a money loss from doing away with the conference championship game). Second, it'd either destroy non-conference games or you're stuck with some "only play 7-8 games situation" like the Big Ten used to have (with eleven members) which several times almost resulted in a situation of two schools undefeated in conference play that didn't even play each other.
 
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KingNick865 said:
The best idea for conference scheduling would be to go with the "roommate switch" format. You'd have the chance to A) keep your traditional rivalries and B) have a chance for every senior to have played in every stadium in the conference.

The Roommate Switch | An SEC football schedule format that solves ALL the issues.
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't this what the WAC tried at one point...and what turned into such a mess that it led to a bunch of teams breaking off to form the Mountain West Conference?



In 1996, the WAC expanded again, adding six schools to its ranks for a total of sixteen. Rice, TCU, and SMU joined the league from the Southwest Conference, which had disbanded. Big West Conference members San Jose State and UNLV were also admitted, as well as Tulsa from the Missouri Valley Conference. Also, two WAC members for men's sports at the time, Air Force and Hawaiʻi, brought their women's sports into the WAC. With the expansion, the WAC was divided into two divisions, the Mountain and the Pacific.

To help in organizing schedules and travel for the farflung league, the members were divided into four quadrants of four teams each, as follows:

Quadrant 1---Quadrant 2---Quadrant 3---Quadrant 4
Hawaiʻi---UNLV---BYU---Tulsa
Fresno State---Air Force---Utah---TCU
San Diego State---Colorado State---New Mexico---SMU
San Jose State---Wyoming---UTEP---Rice

Quadrant one was always part of the Pacific Division, and quadrant four was always part of the Mountain Division. Quadrant two was part of the Pacific Division for 1996 and 1997 before switching to the Mountain Division in 1998, while the reverse was true for quadrant three. The scheduled fourth year of the alignment was abandoned after eight schools left to form the Mountain West Conference

The division champions in football met from 1996 to 1998 in a championship game at Sam Boyd Stadium (also known as the Silver Bowl) in Henderson, Nevada.

Increasingly, this arrangement was not satisfactory to most of the older, pre-1990 members--particularly Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, Utah, and Wyoming. Additional concerns centered around finances, as the expanded league stretched from Hawaiʻi to Oklahoma and now included four time zones in nine states. With such a far-flung league, travel costs became a concern. In 1999, those five schools, along with old line WAC schools New Mexico and San Diego State and newcomer UNLV, split off and formed the new Mountain West Conference (BYU and Utah have since left for the West Coast Conference and Pacific-12 Conference, respectively; BYU football is an FBS independent).

A USA Today article summed up the reasons behind the split. "With Hawaii and the Texas schools separated by about 3,900 miles and four time zones, travel costs were a tremendous burden for WAC teams. The costs, coupled with lagging revenue and a proposed realignment that would have separated rivals such as Colorado State and Air Force, created unrest among the eight defecting schools."
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Also, destroying some longer term rivalries there, it seems.
 
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The SEC needs to add Georgia Tech,Florida State or Clemson in the East and Texas,Texas Christian or Baylor in the west. Then if wanted 8 of 9 SEC Conference games could be in your division.
 
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Dave1967 said:
The SEC needs to add Georgia Tech,Florida State or Clemson in the East and Texas,Texas Christian or Baylor in the west. Then if wanted 8 of 9 SEC Conference games could be in your division.
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If the two divisions play only the schools within themselves and no one else in the conference, they might as well just be two separate conferences...which down the road is probably how they'd start to feel about issues being debated/voted or begin to act towards each other as.

Also, you'd be breaking up some long-term rivalries..



And TCU and Baylor would never be offered a spot in the conference. The SEC wouldn't let Texas keep their Longhorn Network revenue, so they'd never join. Georgia Tech would likely never get an offer as well, nor would they likely accept one if presented.
 
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TrueOrange said:
And TCU and Baylor would never be offered a spot in the conference. The SEC wouldn't let Texas keep their Longhorn Network revenue, so they'd never join. Georgia Tech would likely never get an offer as well, nor would they likely accept one if presented.
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FSU and Clemson aren't getting invites either.
 
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TrueOrange said:
If the two divisions play only the schools within themselves and no one else in the conference, they might as well just be two separate conferences...which down the road is probably how they'd start to feel about issues being debated/voted or begin to act towards each other as.

Also, you'd be breaking up some long-term rivalries..



And TCU and Baylor would never be offered a spot in the conference. The SEC wouldn't let Texas keep their Longhorn Network revenue, so they'd never join. Georgia Tech would likely never get an offer as well, nor would they likely accept one if presented.
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I think those involved with GT athletics would jump at the chance to join the SEC again. LOTS more money than being a member of the ACC!
 
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Dave1967 said:
I think those involved with GT athletics would jump at the chance to join the SEC again. LOTS more money than being a member of the ACC!
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Georgia Tech will never get an invite from the SEC. Ever. If that ship didn't sail in the mid-60s, it certainly sailed by 1991.
 
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