Defense

#51
#51
vol_in_ga said:
And he seems out of position at times.
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Not to keep picking on him but he had a really bad game. I had been bothered by his ability to get a 15 yard penalty but he sometimes over runs his gap. Go back to the Cook touchdown run up the middle. He was completely tricked and guessed the ball was going wide which would've probably initially been another defenders responsibility in the 1st place. It opened up the middle a mile wide after he abandoned it.
 
#52
#52
sonofUT62 said:
There are 6-7 players in the SEC that had their career high in rushing or passing vs Banks defense. This isn’t a coincidence and the fact that people are using the fact that Hazle sucks to defend Banks is hysterical. A HS coach could have stopped them from getting points at the end of the half.
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The most difficult thing to understand is, it’s year 3 and the defense has not changed. I can’t imagine Heup being OK with it but nothing changes. That’s the part that’s infuriating is we all know what’s coming and it’s become “it is what it is”
 
#53
#53
volfeeva said:
It's hard for the offense to score while standing on the sidelines. Mizzou used up almost a full 1st quarter on one possession. Both offense and defense played poorly yesterday, but the defense has been consistent all season laying an egg. Time of possession made a big difference yesterday
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That's a piss poor excuse for the offense. Offense turned over the ball 3 times, so they had opportunities to score. As mentioned before, even Vandy scored 21 points on Mizzou.
 
#54
#54
CPVOL said:
The most difficult thing to understand is, it’s year 3 and the defense has not changed. I can’t imagine Heup being OK with it but nothing changes. That’s the part that’s infuriating is we all know what’s coming and it’s become “it is what it is”
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The most difficult thing is how you can actually say the defense hasn't changed in 3 years.
 
#55
#55
sonofUT62 said:
There are 6-7 players in the SEC that had their career high in rushing or passing vs Banks defense. This isn’t a coincidence and the fact that people are using the fact that Hazle sucks to defend Banks is hysterical. A HS coach could have stopped them from getting points at the end of the half.
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Exactly
 
#56
#56
Not enough speed on Defense. Watching a georgia and Bama, it is painfully obvious. The LBs are slow as well as the secondary. They're good but not elite. We will get there eventually.
 
#57
#57
BreatheUT said:
Not to keep picking on him but he had a really bad game. I had been bothered by his ability to get a 15 yard penalty but he sometimes over runs his gap. Go back to the Cook touchdown run up the middle. He was completely tricked and guessed the ball was going wide which would've probably initially been another defenders responsibility in the 1st place. It opened up the middle a mile wide after he abandoned it.
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Yep.

Some of that is not having all 11 doing their job at a high level. When you have to overcompensate because you don’t trust your guy next to you to make the play, you end up with broken coverage/poor gap integrity/missed tackles etc etc

Some of it is just having guys that are the type who won’t be dependable until they are seniors either due to natural talent level or lack of knowledge of the position. 44, good enough to start over everyone else, not good enough to be the starter we need.

I’ll say it over and over again. In todays game you have to be an elite recruiter and where you’re not elite you best be improving through the transfer portal or you will not be competitive at a championship level. We blew the transfer portal opportunity last year. Had to go with our 3rd and 4th choices at every position. Guys we brought in are serviceable and have potential but not clear improvements. Most of them have been 50/50. Thornton and castles show flashes but not consistent. Karic bust. Should have known pili would get injured based on his history. Judy lally and Campbell only guys who were better than what we had, but they’re still not elite. Better be more proactive this year and don’t get stuck choosing from the leftovers.
 
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#59
vol_in_ga said:
Yep.

Some of that is not having all 11 doing their job at a high level. When you have to overcompensate because you don’t trust your guy next to you to make the play, you end up with broken coverage/poor gap integrity/missed tackles etc etc

Some of it is just having guys that are the type who won’t be dependable until they are seniors either due to natural talent level or lack of knowledge of the position. 44, good enough to start over everyone else, not good enough to be the starter we need.

I’ll say it over and over again. In todays game you have to be an elite recruiter and where you’re not elite you best be improving through the transfer portal or you will not be competitive at a championship level. We blew the transfer portal opportunity last year. Had to go with our 3rd and 4th choices at every position. Guys we brought in are serviceable and have potential but not clear improvements. Most of them have been 50/50. Thornton and castles show flashes but not consistent. Karic bust. Should have known pili would get injured based on his history. Judy lally and Campbell only guys who were better than what we had, but they’re still not elite. Better be more proactive this year and don’t get stuck choosing from the leftovers.
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Let's go back to that first full paragraph and the word "trust". That is it in a nutshell. The mark of quality units is you trust the guy next to you. You have to. It's not your job to do their job. If not, then what happened on the play were discussing happens. Then the player attempting to "overcompensate" for someone else doesn't do their own job. Thats the sign we see from an inconsistent unit. It will eventually get you beat. It is most easily referenced when you think of playing an option football team. One person not doing what they supposed to hurt the team. Assignment football.
 
#60
#60
CPVOL said:
You think it’s improved? Watching the Florida game then last night you believe it’s better than year 1?
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2 things can be true at one time. The improvements on defense have been impressive. Again, no DC wanted this job 3 years ago. But it had a bad game yesterday. Both are true.
 
#61
#61
Tnwoodsman said:
The defense did not lose this game. Sure, they could certainly have played better, but 7 points on offense will never win many games. There seems to be more talk of the failure of the defense than the lackluster show by the offense.
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Yea, our offense was bad, but defense was equally as bad. Missouri controlled the game with their offense. Literally had the ball for the full first quarter. They couldn't get off the field against UCONN either. The scheme flat out sucks and dosen't compliment our offense
 
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#62
#62
FollowTheLeader said:
That's a piss poor excuse for the offense. Offense turned over the ball 3 times, so they had opportunities to score. As mentioned before, even Vandy scored 21 points on Mizzou.
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No one is making excuses for the poor offense. Look at my comments on here hammering CJH for play calling and poor game preparedness . But IMHO, the defense we saw yesterday laying another egg, is the same one we've seen every week this season. Mizzou's plan was to eat up the clock, keep our offense off the field and score just enough to win an ugly game. Can't lay this one on the offense when you look at time of possession
 
#63
#63
volfeeva said:
No one is making excuses for the poor offense. Look at my comments on here hammering CJH for play calling and poor game preparedness . But IMHO, the defense we saw yesterday laying another egg, is the same one we've seen every week this season. Mizzou's plan was to eat up the clock, keep our offense off the field and score just enough to win an ugly game. Can't lay this one on the offense when you look at time of possession
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So, the defense has laid an egg every week this season?
 
#64
#64
FollowTheLeader said:
The most difficult thing is how you can actually say the defense hasn't changed in 3 years.
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Defense hasn't changed. Last year we won as many by track meets as stingy defense. Our offense put pressure on the other teams offense by scoring quickly and often. Getting 1-2 stops last year on defense was a big deal and allowed the offense to stretch a lead. These year we need a stingy defense and can't get it unless the other teams offense is equal to or worse than our own.
 
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#65
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Volhoops said:
Defense hasn't changed. Last year we won as many by track meets as stingy defense. Our offense put pressure on the other teams offense by scoring quickly and often. Getting 1-2 stops last year on defense was a big deal and allowed the offense to stretch a lead. These year we need a stingy defense and can't get it unless the other teams offense is equal to or worse than our own.
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You do realize that Tennessee was #22 in stop rate last year., so they got more than 1 or 2 stops. This year up until yesterday, we were top 25 in defense from 90 last year. Do you happen to know how hard it to move up that much statistically? I assume you don't because if you did, there's no way you could say defense hasn't improved.
 
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#66
#66
FollowTheLeader said:
So, the defense has laid an egg every week this season?
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The defense has laid an egg when we've played decent teams with a decent passing attack. Please don't quote me the stats about them being whatever they are ranked in the SEC because we saw them yesterday, and in the Florida /Bama game.
 
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#67
#67
DaddyChad said:
The defense absolutely did lose this game. Offense definitely shot itself in the foot throughout but we moved the football and definitely had the opportunity to score more. There was never a point in this game where we had a chance to win with 44 matched up on their RB. We could’ve made it closer but Missouri was going to win. We had no answer defensively for their RB. We continued to match a player incapable of stopping him against him.
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Playing UConn was not good for the team.
 
#69
#69
CPVOL said:
The most difficult thing to understand is, it’s year 3 and the defense has not changed. I can’t imagine Heup being OK with it but nothing changes. That’s the part that’s infuriating is we all know what’s coming and it’s become “it is what it is”
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The offense did not help the Defense at all. They got a interception and the offense went 3 and out then the offense could have won the middle 8 and fumbled before half and they could have been up 14 to 10 then they get the ball the second half and should have scored and made it 21 to 10 then it's a hole different game. It's the small things that turn into a domino effect. Mizzou came out for revenge for the last 2 years and they won. On to the next one. They could accomplish something great this weekend.
 
#70
#70
FollowTheLeader said:
You do realize that Tennessee was #22 in stop rate last year., so they got more than 1 or 2 stops. This year up until yesterday, we were top 25 in defense from 90 last year. Do you happen to know how hard it to move up that much statistically? I assume you don't because if you did, there's no way you could say defense hasn't improved.
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The defense has not improved. When you get teams in a panic like last year they can become one dimensional which can help a defense. Offense can help your defense and we have no offense. We did look good earlier this year, but as the competition has gotten better the defense has gotten worse.
 
#71
#71
Volhoops said:
The defense has not improved. When you get teams in a panic like last year they can become one dimensional which can help a defense. Offense can help your defense and we have no offense. We did look good earlier this year, but as the competition has gotten better the defense has gotten worse.
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You're joking right?
 
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