DEI = Racism

[BigOrangeMojo]

Ok, those familiar with the law in this particular nitch........

Does this case have legs? How likely is it to be successful?

Unless you have fraud or something really egregious, these are usually tossed or nominally settled. This is a little different since a state is bringing it up in a favorable jurisdiction.

Taking a look at their 10K before the pride month fiasco, they did identify "social risks" as a risk factor in their 10K. Kind of hard for the State of Florida (the party bringing the suit) to say they weren't aware of the risks. Target making a bad (but reasonably prudent) business decision isnt usually enough to prevail here.

Personally, you know what you are getting when you invest in Target. Absent lying on Target's end, I have a hard time being too sympathetic to the state here...

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Fair but have you examined the lyrical content of modern mainstream country music winning awards prior to this?

No I haven’t, but I think we both agree the line on what’s considered “mainstream country music” has been blurred considerably over time.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

No I haven’t, but I think we both agree the line on what’s considered “mainstream country music” has been blurred considerably over time.

Blurred is a very kind way of putting it.

 

[theFallGuy]

Disagree with saying he never embraced the culture.

Those receipts are everywhere.

Ray Charles loved country music before he loved the blues.

agreed

Ray Charles - Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum

www.countrymusichalloffame.org

 

[KB5252]

Disagree with saying he never embraced the culture.

Those receipts are everywhere.

Ray Charles loved country music before he loved the blues.

I think in a pure musical way he did just by his pure musical interest. He never dressed different that I can remember, it was just organic....... That's what Beyonce's entry into country lacked IMO..


I guess that was my point, it was more about the music..... And soul behind his music in general and country music. I think that's why he overlapped so well with country enthusiasts of the time. Soul, blues and county all share common roots in stripped down, to the point, story driven music.

 

[KB5252]

Unless you have fraud or something really egregious, these are usually tossed or nominally settled. This is a little different since a state is bringing it up in a favorable jurisdiction.

Taking a look at their 10K before the pride month fiasco, they did identify "social risks" as a risk factor in their 10K. Kind of hard for the State of Florida (the party bringing the suit) to say they weren't aware of the risks. Target making a bad (but reasonably prudent) business decision isnt usually enough to prevail here.

Personally, you know what you are getting when you invest in Target. Absent lying on Target's end, I have a hard time being too sympathetic to the state here...

Thank you!

 

[theFallGuy]

Her entire career has been in the R&B/pop space. She does one country album and wins awards.

I think this is the main gripe. It seems, contrived to me.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Thank you!

With that being said, I'm a little skeptical about their trustworthiness. Target blaming a lot of issues on shrink/theft was the eye opener for me....

 

[KB5252]

No I haven’t, but I think we both agree the line on what’s considered “mainstream country music” has been blurred considerably over time.

Yes, real country music doesn't win awards anymore. Pop country does.

I don't think any of my favorite Country/Western artists have even sniffed a major award.

Guys like Colter Wall etc aren't marketable to the mainstream anymore..... Although they are arguably much more talented and gifted....... At least IMO.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I think this is the main gripe. It seems, contrived to me.

Agree. The album was fine but it wasnt the greatest country album ever released like many of the critics are saying....

 

[KB5252]

I think this is the main gripe. It seems, contrived to me.

It didn't sound like country, it sounded like a talented r&b voice singing some original pop country and country standards. It lacked authenticity.

Which to me is kind of a shame, the prospect of a collab with multiple country artists and up and comers could have been a really good product. To me this was just another album type thing.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Beyonce is super talented and it was a good album. But to compare the Rolling Stone review of it vs what they thought of a classic album like Led Zeppelin 1 just shows other societal forces are in play here....

 

[82_VOL_83]

this is just as dumb as DEI.

have a standard across the board. if they can meet it, they are in. if they can't they are out. Black, white, trans, straight, male, female.

it would be one thing if he banned the military paying for the surgeries, and removing the protection while "transitioning", but out right firing the people without some metric based decision is terrible.

I disagree. Trans soldiers by definition would be distracting. Soldiers that know their gender don't need that distraction.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I disagree. Trans soldiers by definition would be distracting. Soldiers that know their gender don't need that distraction.

Meh…they said the same about women and minorities in the military being distractions decades ago.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Meh…they said the same about women and minorities in the military being distractions decades ago.

I don't equate true gender or race with gender dysphoria. Normalizing is part of the problem.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Blurred is a very kind way of putting it.

Glad I never really cared for country music. I don't feel as though I've lost anything.

 

[KB5252]

Meh…they said the same about women and minorities in the military being distractions decades ago.

I agree to a large extent, but in cases of front line infantry they typically do not serve in those roles for a reason.

If have to think through trans soldiers in that regard before I could make a personal determination though, but my instinct would be to say no.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Glad I never really cared for country music. I don't feel as though I've lost anything.

There's a lot of great stuff until about 2000. Fortunately, there are still some pretty good musicians that have broken into mainstream success like Tyler Childers, Marcus King, and Zach Bryan (not to be confused with Zack Brown, who is basically an overproduced Jimmy Buffet).

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I agree to a large extent, but in cases of front line infantry they typically do not serve in those roles for a reason.

If have to think through trans soldiers in that regard before I could make a personal determination though, but my instinct would be to say no.

Given the same basic training and qualifications, I don’t see the difference between a 6-4 dude named Bob and a 6-4 trans chick named Cinnamon being on the front lines.

To me they’re both oversized dudes with guns.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I don't equate true gender or race with gender dysphoria. Normalizing is part of the problem.

And again, they said the same about women and minorities back in the day.

Normalizing both in the military offended the sensibilities of the fragile.

 

[KB5252]

Given the same basic training and qualifications, I don’t see the difference between a 6-4 dude named Bob and a 6-4 trans chick named Cinnamon being on the front lines.

To me they’re both oversized dudes with guns.

If Cinnamon can carry their average fellow soldier to safety in a pinch I'm down.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

If Cinnamon can carry their average fellow soldier to safety in a pinch I'm down.

We are in agreement.

 

[82_VOL_83]

And again, they said the same about women and minorities back in the day.

Normalizing both in the military offended the sensibilities of the fragile.

And denigration of someone you are debating is the first sign of a loser. I'm neither fragile or against women, gays or minorities. Trans are none of these. They are minority only by their mental illness.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

And denigration of someone you are debating is the first sign of a loser. I'm neither fragile or against women, gays or minorities. Trans are none of these. They are minority only by their mental illness.

Never said you were fragile or against women regarding your opinions on trans soldiers in the military today.

I said those who opposed women and minorities in the military back in the day…they were fragile.

My apologies for confusing you.

 

[KB5252]

There's a lot of great stuff until about 2000. Fortunately, there are still some pretty good musicians that have broken into mainstream success like Tyler Childers, Marcus King, and Zach Bryan (not to be confused with Zack Brown, who is basically an overproduced Jimmy Buffet).

Really like Tyler Childers, very different but I'm a huge Colter Wall fan.