Demand Championships

#26
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LifeisO&W said:
We, as Tennessee fans need to demand championships out of this program. The support, the money, the facilities, and the tradition are all there for us to win championships.

However, the 7 win bug has bitten this fanbase lately. If we ever want championships we need to demand them.

Is Butch Jones better than what we had? Absolutely, but that in itself doesn't make him Tennessee caliber.

Is Butch Jones championship caliber? I don't know, but if he isn't, he doesn't need to be the coach here.

Just my two cents. I want to win.
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The underlying premise of the term 'fan' is the desire for the organization of focus (team) to win. But, the end product of an institution of higher learning is to produce citizens of value to society. We shouldn't lose focus on what is actually important: this fanbase has so done that. This fanbase has forgotten how to have fun with this. The sky is NOT fricken falling! I for one am prepared to be patient and allow a process of building that will produce a quality production. Something sustainable with a decent foundation and not keep us on pins and needles wondering when the ncaa hammer will fall! We are getting accostomed to throwing out the baby with the bath water and then wondering where the joy is anymore. It is STUPID!
 
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volger said:
What did Kiffin or Dooley bring?
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There's the problem. Comparing Butch to Kiffin and Dooley instead of comparing him to what he's going to face in the SEC in terms of coaching and recruiting. Compared to Kiffin and Dooley he's a golden swan. Compared to Muschamp, Spurrier, Franklin, etc he looks like a turd in a punch bowl.
 
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craighead said:
There's the problem. Comparing Butch to Kiffin and Dooley instead of comparing him to what he's going to face in the SEC in terms of coaching and recruiting. Compared to Kiffin and Dooley he's a golden swan. Compared to Muschamp, Spurrier, Franklin, etc he looks like a turd in a punch bowl.
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you are an idiot
 
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craighead said:
There's the problem. Comparing Butch to Kiffin and Dooley instead of comparing him to what he's going to face in the SEC in terms of coaching and recruiting. Compared to Kiffin and Dooley he's a golden swan. Compared to Muschamp, Spurrier, Franklin, etc he looks like a turd in a punch bowl.
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Hahahahahaha
 
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LifeisO&W said:
Butch Jones has never won championships at this level of football. We will see if he can or not. I believe I answered my own question by saying something to the effect of "I don't know" and "we will see", but I damn sure expect championships from him, and if he can't cut the cheese, then gtfo.
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OH! And...

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jeffmcflurry27 said:
Are you willing to be patient for another 3 years as long as you see improvement? Because that is about the best we can hope for and if the fan base cannot accept that, then the current cycle will just continue.
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Accepting "improvement" is why we are in the predicament we are and stuck in bidding wars with Colorado for coaches. Throughout our history, we've expected winners and acted accordingly as a program. Too many don't anymore and that has to change.

So, do we accept "improvement"? No, not unless it means competing for championships.
 
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Unimane said:
Accepting "improvement" is why we are in the predicament we are and stuck in bidding wars with Colorado for coaches. Throughout our history, we've expected winners and acted accordingly as a program. Too many don't anymore and that has to change.

So, do we accept "improvement"? No, not unless it means competing for championships.
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what's your timetable there, bra?
 
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Unimane said:
Accepting "improvement" is why we are in the predicament we are and stuck in bidding wars with Colorado for coaches. Throughout our history, we've expected winners and acted accordingly as a program. Too many don't anymore and that has to change.

So, do we accept "improvement"? No, not unless it means competing for championships.
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He has an almost 70% win percentage. That is pretty dang good at any level and he has won at every level he has been at. Honestly, we couldn't have done any better imo. Gruden wasn't coming, Gundy wasn't coming, and Strong is a man of his word and stuck if UL so I can't fault him for that.
 
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Noone is advocating 7 win seasons as opposed to championships. I advocate 7,8 and 9 win seasons as opposed to being in a perpetual coaching search and subpar recruiting classes. It is those who advocate championships or bust who are getting the bust from this program!
 
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mreed90 said:
He has an almost 70% win percentage. That is pretty dang good at any level and he has won at every level he has been at. Honestly, we couldn't have done any better imo. Gruden wasn't coming, Gundy wasn't coming, and Strong is a man of his word and stuck if UL so I can't fault him for that.
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We fired a coach with over a 70% win record.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
2009 12-0 ranked 4th in the BCS...with 3 star players. You..ranked bottom fan in the SEC and top Negavol of which Volnation would like to pee on and be done with. Support our coach or GTFO.
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This is the perfect Hart and Cheek Sheeple.

BJ was not at Cincy in 2009, that would be the current coach at South Bend.

Here is your boy BJ:

This is winning conference co-championships in the Big East:

Sagarin Ratings
2011
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
30 Cincinnati 10 3 68.43( 73) 0 0 | 0 1

2012
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
45 Cincinnati 9 3 63.85( 99) 0 0 | 0 0

By the way, his 2010 record was 4 and 8 with a schedule ranked 38th in the country. Better hope this "winner" gets to play those easy schedules at TN. Maybe we can drop Bama, Florida, Georgia, etc, off the schedule.
 
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Unimane said:
Accepting "improvement" is why we are in the predicament we are and stuck in bidding wars with Colorado for coaches. Throughout our history, we've expected winners and acted accordingly as a program. Too many don't anymore and that has to change.

So, do we accept "improvement"? No, not unless it means competing for championships.
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This^^^^^^
 
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oldfartvol said:
Settle down, Veruka! Daddy will get you a championship.( I'm thinking you may have been pampered as a child ).

:question:
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I by pampered you that I grew up watching Tennessee compete for championships, then yes, I guess you are right.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
This is the perfect Hart and Cheek Sheeple.

BJ was not at Cincy in 2009, that would be the current coach at South Bend.

Here is your boy BJ:

This is winning conference co-championships in the Big East:

Sagarin Ratings
2011
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
30 Cincinnati 10 3 68.43( 73) 0 0 | 0 1

2012
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
45 Cincinnati 9 3 63.85( 99) 0 0 | 0 0

By the way, his 2010 record was 4 and 8 with a schedule ranked 38th in the country. Better hope this "winner" gets to play those easy schedules at TN. Maybe we can drop Bama, Florida, Georgia, etc, off the schedule.[/QUOTE]

Or maybe we can get the talent to compete with them. I guess our outlooks on "maybe" differ from one another.
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It's always funny watching spoiled kids make demands.

I always image the rich girl in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. "I demand a pony daddy, get it for me now"

Reality knows its a process and sometimes you don't succeed but you keep trying until you get it right. You also have to play with the cards you've got. Kids just cry and demand.
 
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"Championships" will not happen and here is why. If Coach Jones were to win a NC he would be fired after the first inevitable downturn when the fans show up with torches and pitchforks demanding the next great coach. The entire "process" will start again. We have done so before and will do so again. For now, I intend to enjoy the ride back up.:hi:
 
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LifeisO&W said:
I by pampered you that I grew up watching Tennessee compete for championships, then yes, I guess you are right.
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Hmmm... since 1977 (Majors' first year) we've won SEC Championships in 85, 90, 97 and 98 and we've won the NC once in 98. Since the SEC went to Divisions, we've won at least a share of the East Division Championship in 97, 98, 2001, 2003 (shared with Georgia and Florida), 2004, and 2007 (shared with Georgia).

Looking at the same stats for the other top SEC schools
Alabama has 5 NCs, 9 SCs and 9DCs
Florida has 3 NCs, 9 SCs and 12 DCs
LSU has 2 NCs. 6 SCs, and 5 DVs
Auburn has 1 NCs, 6 SC's and 7 DCs
Georgia has 1 NCs, 6 SCs and 5 Dcs.
Tennessee has 1 NC, 4 SCs and 6 DCs

Looking at these numbers, I think CBJ will be fine, once he rights the ship, but it will take a couple of years to get his system in. The bar isn't set all that high by our former coaches or by the OP. We may be in the top tier of the SEC, but just barely, when you look at Championships of any sort.
 
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