Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

#2,651
#2,651
BeardedVol said:
Well for starters it's funding 1/5 of Tennessee's education budget.

usafacts.org

What percentage of public school funding in Tennessee comes from the federal government? | USAFacts

About 19.2% or one in every five dollars of public school funding, during the 2021–22 school year. As with most schools nationwide, Tennessee received more funding from local or state governments than it did from federal sources. The totals differ by district, depending on factors such as...
usafacts.org usafacts.org
Click to expand...
How is the money used? What is tied to the money? Is it supporting the proper education needed for the success of the state, or impeding it?

Looking forward to actual answers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hog88
#2,652
#2,652
Enki_Amenra said:
To those against what DOGE is uncovering, what is it that you disagree with?
Click to expand...
Never providing evidence for anything, coupled with fabricated items like "$50 million for condoms in Gaza," makes this more difficult than it needs to be. If there's so much waste or "fraud," you should be able to be honest about it and let it speak for itself, but it's been highly politicized instead
 
#2,653
#2,653
Like if they said "we assist with reproductive health all over Africa. This costs $20 million because it's not just condoms, it's education for both civilians and medical staff there, and controlling the AIDS epidemic there is beneficial to the world as a whole" then we could have an honest conversation, but instead that would just be described as "$20 million in condoms for ISIS" or whatever.

Or things like this:

 
#2,654
#2,654
NashVol11 said:
Like if they said "we assist with reproductive health all over Africa. This costs $20 million because it's not just condoms, it's education for both civilians and medical staff there, and controlling the AIDS epidemic there is beneficial to the world as a whole" then we could have an honest conversation, but instead that would just be described as "$20 million in condoms for ISIS" or whatever.

Or things like this:

Click to expand...

So you agree with what DOGE is doing, but just disagree with how & what they're telling the people about what they're uncovering?
 
  • Like
Reactions: jaybird_1981, whodeycin85 and hjeagle1vol
#2,655
#2,655
ButchPlz said:
How is the money used? What is tied to the money? Is it supporting the proper education needed for the success of the state, or impeding it?

Looking forward to actual answers.
Click to expand...

Those are questions that you should be asking your state legislators and school board members, if you actually care.

1739027683141.png

Might also ask why they spend so little per student, and still complain that students aren't getting a quality education.

1739027828530.png
1739027865048.png
 
#2,657
#2,657
NashVol11 said:
Like if they said "we assist with reproductive health all over Africa. This costs $20 million because it's not just condoms, it's education for both civilians and medical staff there, and controlling the AIDS epidemic there is beneficial to the world as a whole" then we could have an honest conversation, but instead that would just be described as "$20 million in condoms for ISIS" or whatever
Click to expand...
You are committing the same error, just the other way.

Did the spending actually produce the desired impact? Did the cost justify the spend? Was there proper oversight to ensure no abuses were made? Is it even in our interest?

USAID is notorious for talking about what they spent for, but- as I've pointed out- their monitoring and evaluation is meaningfully nonexistent or outright fudged. USAID contracts are nearly never performance-based, so, in your example, did the spent money actually generate educational programs where they said they were?

In my experience, which isn't limited, most of these programs are photo-ops and opportunities for trips. $20M for a USAID anti-AIDS program in Africa more often than not leads to a handful of hacked together powerpoint sessions, a basket of condoms at the front of the room, and trips to swanky hotels in Abidjan and Accra. I have literally seen entire programs postponed on short notice because the SES that wanted to participate in a critical educational trip had a stomach bug the week before the event was scheduled. THIS is USAID.

If you want to support an organization with boots on the ground doing stuff, better to look in the direction of things like Peace Corps, though the question still remains on if we ought to use taxes for those things.
 
#2,659
#2,659
BeardedVol said:
Those are questions that you should be asking your state legislators and school board members, if you actually care.

View attachment 720421

Might also ask why they spend so little per student, and still complain that students aren't getting a quality education.

View attachment 720422
View attachment 720423
Click to expand...
I'm asking you to provide the answers. I'm saying we don't need the federal funding. I already know federal programs have led to an influx of standardized programming which benefits very few students and hampers the growth of students that would otherwise be advancing more rapidly. This is all because of the strings attached. You think it's buying school supplies for kids?

You're the one saying we need federal money. Get off your lazy ass and prove it.
 
#2,660
#2,660
ButchPlz said:
I'm asking you to provide the answers. I'm saying we don't need the federal funding. I already know federal programs have led to an influx of standardized programming which benefits very few students and hampers the growth of students that would otherwise be advancing more rapidly. You're the one saying we need federal money. Get off your lazy ass and prove it.
Click to expand...

You're more than welcome to look up which DoE programs are benefitting Tennessee schools, but how that money is applied, is at the local level, please direct your questions as such, as I am not a Tennessee state legislator, nor a board member of school board in Tennessee.
 
#2,661
#2,661
BeardedVol said:
You're more than welcome to look up which DoE programs are benefitting Tennessee schools, but how that money is applied, is at the local level, please direct your questions as such, as I am not a Tennessee state legislator, nor a board member of school board in Tennessee.
Click to expand...
So what you're saying is you have no idea, you just know there needs to be more money.

Is that how you live your life?
 
  • Like
Reactions: jaybird_1981, MemphisVol77, Orangeburst and 3 others
#2,663
#2,663
ButchPlz said:
So what you're saying is you have no idea, you just know there needs to be more money.

Is that how you live your life?
Click to expand...

Lol, yes, I have no idea how the Etowah City School District is spending the federal dollars given to them, but I do know that those federal dollars make up 1/3 of their education budget.

Maybe you should try reaching out to the school board there to get your answers?

School Board - Etowah City Elementary School District

www.etowahcityschool.com www.etowahcityschool.com

Or possibly the Tennessee state board of education as well.

Board Members

www.tn.gov www.tn.gov
 
#2,664
#2,664
BeardedVol said:
Well for starters it's funding 1/5 of Tennessee's education budget.

usafacts.org

What percentage of public school funding in Tennessee comes from the federal government? | USAFacts

About 19.2% or one in every five dollars of public school funding, during the 2021–22 school year. As with most schools nationwide, Tennessee received more funding from local or state governments than it did from federal sources. The totals differ by district, depending on factors such as...
usafacts.org usafacts.org
Click to expand...

Great get rid of it and let the states fund all of their education costs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jaybird_1981, TheDeeble, malinoisvol and 2 others
#2,665
#2,665
NashVol11 said:
Never providing evidence for anything, coupled with fabricated items like "$50 million for condoms in Gaza," makes this more difficult than it needs to be. If there's so much waste or "fraud," you should be able to be honest about it and let it speak for itself, but it's been highly politicized instead
Click to expand...

It’s been 2 weeks.
 
#2,666
#2,666
BeardedVol said:
Well for starters it's funding 1/5 of Tennessee's education budget.

usafacts.org

What percentage of public school funding in Tennessee comes from the federal government? | USAFacts

About 19.2% or one in every five dollars of public school funding, during the 2021–22 school year. As with most schools nationwide, Tennessee received more funding from local or state governments than it did from federal sources. The totals differ by district, depending on factors such as...
usafacts.org usafacts.org
Click to expand...
I wonder how much fraud and abuse goes on in the state. I saw that the governor of Oklahoma (I think) is starting his own DOGE program to ferret out waste fraud and abuse within the state and to get rid of that.

Right on. Let's get rid of these highly compensated bureaucrats that do nothing other than push paper and cash big checks.
 
#2,672
#2,672
hog88 said:
I actually haven’t seen much evidence of them accomplishing much but again it’s been 2 weeks.
Click to expand...
I guess it depends on what you call 'evidence', but ridding the payroll of almost 10,000 bureaucrats is an accomplishment in my book.

Every added government worker is a tax increase. Whether the opposite is true remains to be seen, but there would certainly be reason to NOT raise them any more. 10,000 down, 490,000 to go.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hjeagle1vol and W.TN.Orange Blood
#2,673
#2,673
BeardedVol said:
Cool, you good with increasing various state and local taxes to remedy the shortfall in funding, or which areas of the state budget are you willing to cut to make up the difference?
Click to expand...

Yeah I’m 100% good with it. Considering the duties the constitution laid out for the federal government we should be sending almost nothing in tax dollars to DC. So cut the f out of federal spending, taxes they collect and let the states pay for their programs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jaybird_1981, DC_Vol, Orangeburst and 4 others
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top