Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[hog88]

My Ford is also 8yr/100k. I'll get a new one before it costs me money to replace

I think the question is about resell/trade in value.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What Elon said is not wrong in this case and yes this is a waste of money. The data is reviewable on the website.

Elon was absolutely wrong in how he was trying to characterize this one. He literally said Reuters was being paid to provide widespread social deception. That characterization is easily rebuffed if you look at publicly available detail on this transaction for 2 mins...

I agree that it was probably was frivilous/wasteful spend but once again if this was frivilous spend by Trump admin, why do we need to bump defense up by 100B when they clearly don't know what they are spending already....

 

[Majors]

Musk is a demonstrated liar through and through. This isn't even debatable. He's been lying at Tesla for years. The better question is "why would he stop lying?"

Very informative post with proven facts. Thank you for bringing this to our attention with your personal word only.

 

[Orangeslice13]

New model 3: $42,000 - $7,500 tax credit = $34,500. Savings of $2,000/yr in gas plus maintenance savings....

And the base model is faster than 90%+ cars on the road. The performance trim at 55k-7.5k, you are at supercar speed.

@Orangeslice13 edit: i know you are talking about trucks. And I don't think Cyber is even close to a reasonable competitor, yet. But it will be.

It will never be a competitive work truck option.
It just won’t.
2k a year over 26 years and getting less every day.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I asked a specific question that maybe you need to think about or go back and reread it. What you saying is absolutely true in a general sense. My point is we should look at all government spending and eliminate unnecessary waste. It will take some time. Unnecessary expenditures are just as important to eliminate in every branch of our government. Especially, and freaking specifically, when the Chief Executive is profiting from those unnecessary expenditures

So….meh Trump.
Was this a problem when the previous administration was bilking the taxpayers instead of eliminating waste, while the Biden family made huge profits in fraudulent kickbacks.
It was so bad he felt the need to pardon everyone in the administration.

Don’t forget that I think Trump is an absolute shitbag but the reality remains the average American taxpayer will be way better off under this guy than the last

 

[eVOLve]

It’s crazy the lengths folks are going. Got complaints about these minor inaccuracies towards what Trump or Elon says. In my head I’m like, are these complaints really on the level of where our money is getting spent? Nooo lol

 

[Orangeslice13]

That doesn’t work with any vehicle nowadays. Today’s automobiles are essentially “throw away” cars regardless of how well you maintain them. The way many new vehicles have to be financed they’re pretty much done in by the time you get it paid off.

That’s not absolutely true.
You can still find the workable version of my plan.
I’m currently using the same plan on my wife’s car. A 19 VW Teagan

 

[walkenvol]

As they say, some things never change

 

[VOLS INC.]

Love this. Why won't the Democrats grow a pair and answer a tough question

This is the Trump effect. People aren’t intimidated anymore by that bald militant feminist. They aren’t afraid of being cancelled by leftist or accused of being called a racist.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

So….meh Trump.
Was this a problem when the previous administration was bilking the taxpayers instead of eliminating waste, while the Biden family made huge profits in fraudulent kickbacks.
It was so bad he felt the need to pardon everyone in the administration.

Don’t forget that I think Trump is an absolute shitbag but the reality remains the average American taxpayer will be way better off under this guy than the last

Yes. If audits are going to be done, let's conduct them in every branch and agency.

The whataboutisms are for the dumbed downed bunch. I know your stance on Trump. You have a right to your opinion, but at least pretend to have a little interest in nuance

 

[utvolpj]

I think the question is about resell/trade in value.

I don't think the market knows how to price them yet. I've seen several over 100k and they are still 97%+ battery. It's likely the story of one needing a new battery makes more news. In used to drive an xterra and many transmissions were killed because of a poor cooling design. Never seen that listed as a concern

The issue isn't the cars but the charging concerns. If we allowed competition for ev in the US then the charging demands would likely get fixed

 

[whodeycin85]

Elon was absolutely wrong in how he was trying to characterize this one. He literally said Reuters was being paid to provide widespread social deception. That characterization is easily rebuffed if you look at publicly available detail on this transaction for 2 mins...

I agree that it was probably was frivilous/wasteful spend but once again if this was frivilous spend by Trump admin, why do we need to bump defense up by 100B when they clearly don't know what they are spending already....

I agree I wish he wouldn't have sensationalized it, but he didn't technically lie..it was paid to Rueters for the reason...he never stated what department, or who was POTUS at the time...he was taking a chance that lazy people wouldn't research it like they should ...it backfired somewhat

 

[whodeycin85]

Double

 

[Orange_Crush]

No. I didn't insinuate that at all. I asked about a specific audit of expenditures in the executive branch. If we're going to do a thorough audit of expenditures, it should be conducted on all branches of government. Right? And no, taxpayers aren't profiting from executive expenditures. Think how we, as taxpayers, will benefit from eliminating unnecessary expenditures in all the branches

Sure. And it sounds like that's the goal. It's been 3 weeks, and the swamp is fighting to slow it down.

But again, you asked who the benefactor is for THIS audit, and harumphed the answer "taxpayers", and then made it about Trump. Now you're admitting taxpayers will benefit while making it about Trump.

"Muh Trump." Is it so engrained and reflexive that you don't even realize when you're doing it, even after it's pointed out?

 

[NashVol11]

I agree I wish he wouldn't have sensationalized it, but he didn't technically lie..it was paid to Rueters for the reason...he never stated what department, or who was POTUS at the time...he was taking a chance that lazy people wouldn't research it like they should ...it backfired somewhat

Thomson Reuters is completely different and it wasn't "for large scale social deception," it was to prevent it. When you have to say someone isn't "technically" lying they're almost always being dishonest

 

[walkenvol]

I don't think the market knows how to price them yet. I've seen several over 100k and they are still 97%+ battery. It's likely the story of one needing a new battery makes more news. In used to drive an xterra and many transmissions were killed because of a poor cooling design. Never seen that listed as a concern

The issue isn't the cars but the charging concerns. If we allowed competition for ev in the US then the charging demands would likely get fixed

How are we preventing competition in the EV market? The $7,500 tax credit would say the opposite that we are attempting to artificially create an EV market.

 

[Ashevolle]

Very informative post with proven facts. Thank you for bringing this to our attention with your personal word only.

Ah yes. The Volnation Political Forum. A place of serious scholarship and well cited discussion lol.

 

[utvolpj]

How are we preventing competition in the EV market? The $7,500 tax credit would say the opposite.

The Chinese have several really nice ev at a much lower price point. They've also worked on swappable batteries. None of that is allowed to be sold in the US

Elon even said Tesla had no intention of production less expensive options.

 

[whodeycin85]

Thomson Reuters is completely different and it wasn't "for large scale social deception," it was to prevent it. When you have to say someone isn't "technically" lying they're almost always being dishonest

Are they not part of the same corp?
Yea he was being dishonest to a degree..
But its on US to verify what is said...

 

[utvolpj]

Are they not part of the Rueters corp?
Yea he was being dishonest to a degree..
But its on US to verify what is said...

Or how about he verify it before spouting off. It's kind of his job

 

[Willy P]

Here's my concern with DOGE. I haven't been able to really see a good explanation of their process because all the reporting on it is sensationalized either left or right.

Every March-ish, the President releases his "budget" which is basically funding requests for every agency. After that, the House Subcommittees associated with each agency pick through these budget requests and make changes they see appropriate. These then make their way into the major budget bills for the upcoming FY. Sometimes, dollar amounts are earmarked for specific initiatives, sometimes the language is vague.

When/if Congress actually get around to passing a budget, the funding is allocated. Even in years that there is a CR, there are budget lines for specific initiatives.

When DOGE arrives at an agency and hones in on a contract, I'd like to know if there a cursory review to determine whether that contract was put in place specifically using earmarked money by Congress.

IF these contracts were executed as a result of earmarked dollars, then I'm concerned about it holding up in court. Not to mention, these old contracts are already in progress, meaning that cancellation will still cost the taxpayers some percentage of the contract value. IF contracts were awarded using agencies' general funds, perhaps they are more "fair game".

If the shoe was on the other foot and Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg was running around under President Harris canceling contracts that Republicans cared about, I think the news would look a little different.

Bottom line for me, I love the idea of DOGE in spirit, but I am hoping it's being done correctly and I'm uncomfortable with someone with obvious political bias being the figurehead.

 

[NashVol11]

Are they not part of the same corp?
Yea he was being dishonest to a degree..
But its on US to verify what is said...

No it's not. Why? They have more info than us and are making the claim, so back it up

 

[Majors]

Or how about he verify it before spouting off. It's kind of his job

Community notes is also his job.

 

[whodeycin85]

Or how about he verify it before spouting off. It's kind of his job

I wish he wouldn't have sensationalized it...which is what he did...the info is out there openly, of people use a tweet as fact then that on the readers....the MSM has been doing this exact thing for years, only with out right lies. It's no different..because people are to lazy to find out for themselves..it on them....you don't t buy a house sight unseen, you inspect and research it...

 

[utvolpj]

Community notes is also his job.

It's by definition not his job. There's a seperate group for that