Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[Vol since 77]

I've contracted to the government and worked with them. It's laughable that you say "no experience in government" like it's an insult.

Wow, do I have unlimited stories...

Out of the past 17 years, I spent 15 of it in govt and the last 2 contracted with the govt. The majority here have no damn clue just how bad it is on the inside. I could share stories after I retire, but it's doubtful because most here don't deserve to know exactly how bad it is.

 

[Orangeburst]

If I didn't have the ability to check, I would think your account is a bot.

hacking a gov website aint no joke either..

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If it's so obvious then it should be easy to back it up

Do your own homework. That's the problem, you leftists want everything spoonfed to you

 

[Orange_Crush]

Do your own homework. That's the problem, you leftists want everything spoonfed to you

No. They don't.

 

[BeardedVol]

Out of the past 17 years, I spent 15 of it in govt and the last 2 contracted with the govt. The majority here have no damn clue just how bad it is on the inside. I could share stories after I retire, but it's doubtful because most here don't deserve to know exactly how bad it is.

So bad, that you still spend 15 years working for the federal government, and then opted to go back and contract with the federal government, rather than seek employment in the private sector?

 

[NashVol11]

Do your own homework. That's the problem, you leftists want everything spoonfed to you

There isn't anything to spoonfeed, just a lot of "Daddy Elon says so, therefore I accept it as fact"

 

[LSU-SIU]

14 states sue Musk and Trump, calling billionaire’s role unconstitutional

“Mr. Musk’s seemingly limitless and unchecked power to strip the government of its workforce and eliminate entire departments with the stroke of a pen or click of a mouse would have been shocking to those who won this country’s independence,” they wrote.


“There is no office of the United States, other than the President, with the full power of the Executive Branch, and the sweeping authority now vested in a single unelected and unconfirmed individual is antithetical to the nation’s entire constitutional structure,” they continued.

I'm so confused, we had a potato for President and nobody had an issue.

Okay, so they have no information that Musk has "limitless and unchecked power" i.e. seemingly, but they have to submit the petition that they have a good faith belief in what they are filing. That is like filing a charging document saying "seemingly the defendant murdered person X".

I would agree with the second part so how would the court have jurisdiction over an office that doesn't exist? Not sure how the States have standing?

 

[LSU-SIU]

DOGE Descends On IRS As Musk Prepares To Audit Agency | ZeroHedge

A top staffer of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) arrived at IRS headquarters on Thursday ahead of a planned audit announced by President Donald Trump.

Just have Congress shut it down for good. There is literally no reason to have a tax agent for something you can issue a bond on the market, have the federal purchase the bond infinitely on its balance sheet. You can get rid of 100,000 employees all in basically one big layoff.

You're using credit as money and taxing credit. What's the payment of the credit, a promise to pay nothing.


fiction of law definition · LSData

A quick definition of fiction of law:​

A fiction of law is when people assume something is true even though it may not be. This is often used in court to change how a legal rule works. It's like pretending something is true to make things easier. For example, a legal fiction called a constructive trust is used to make sure someone who didn't own something gets to keep it. Legal fictions can be helpful, but they can also be confusing.

 

[Orangeburst]

Tax Code is a freaking joke..morbidly obese and a one page simplified 1040, basically a 1040EZ for everyone, you could shitcan 90% of the IRS.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Tax Code is a freaking joke..morbidly obese and a one page simplified 1040, basically a 1040EZ for everyone, you could shitcan 90% of the IRS.

You don't even need that, they create any credit they need and the slaves on their own use it as money.

The King doesn't need to collect which he can magically create from thin air. We're playing pretend i.e. fiction of law.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Tax Code is a freaking joke..morbidly obese and a one page simplified 1040, basically a 1040EZ for everyone, you could shitcan 90% of the IRS.

The government says money isn't property—so it can take yours

Now, the DOJ argued that Saine has no right to a real judge and jury because the government was only trying to take his money, not his property. They claimed that fiat currency is a legal fiction that the government can as easily destroy as create. Lest anyone miss the implicit connection to the history of the gold standard, DOJ's footnote prominently cited the Legal Tender Cases—where the Supreme Court upheld laws forcing people to accept paper currency, rather than gold and silver, as payment for debts.

If you don't believe me, that's cool.... see what U.S. DOJ is saying now. As I've been trying to tell everyone for quite some time, your are living in the matrix i.e. fiction of law. Your "money" is horseshit. (my guess is doj will lose but not because they are incorrect... they are absolutely correct. Where the DOJ is wrong is it's not money, credit is being used as a money substitute i.e. last liquidation of the walking liabilities1939-1945)

Your money is....

Confused yet? Read the Federal Reserve Act i.e. fiction of law upon fiction of law. Pretend. A lie. A scam of biblical proportions.

You're "money" isn't money, its horseshit. So, they assess a tax on horseshit with you owing horseshit. What do you owe - nothing because its just a tax on nothing which pays nothing.

People inherently don't want to believe the Truth when it goes against everything they were taught.

Give me 3 minutes with Elon Musk and we crash the whole system. Why? It was all fiction and never really existed except in our heads.

 

[Orangeburst]

The government says money isn't property—so it can take yours



If you don't believe me, that's cool.... see what U.S. DOJ is saying now. As I've been trying to tell everyone for quite some time, your are living in the matrix i.e. fiction of law. Your "money" is horseshit. (my guess is doj will lose but not because they are incorrect... they are absolutely correct. Where the DOJ is wrong is it's not money, credit is being used as a money substitute i.e. last liquidation of the walking liabilities1939-1945)

Your money is....

Confused yet? Read the Federal Reserve Act i.e. fiction of law upon fiction of law. Pretend. A lie. A scam of biblical proportions.

You're "money" isn't money, its horseshit. So, they assess a tax on horseshit with you owing horseshit. What do you owe - nothing because its just a tax on nothing which pays nothing.

Well, not like we have a choice and I think I will keep in good standing with the IRS.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Well, not like we have a choice and I think I will keep in good standing with the IRS.

There is the possibility they crash the whole thing, unintentionally. Its all fiction, a lie.... eventually all lies collapse. This is why I don't vote and said that Trump might actually collapse the whole thing. I'm fine I guess if they do, the selfish part of me hopes it stays together longer.

As far as the government against the people, all that needs to go.... system or no system, imo.

Edit: The lightbulb for many should go off with the DOJ saying their money is horseshit, why now? Either way the Truth always wins, whether it results in bad things or not. My guess is Trump proposes to eliminate all income tax at some point.

 

[hUTch2002]

I'm talking about this, not employee buyouts. Try to keep up

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/11/trump-administration-spending-freeze-016440

I can’t keep up.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

14 states sue Musk and Trump, calling billionaire’s role unconstitutional



I'm so confused, we had a potato for President and nobody had an issue.

Okay, so they have no information that Musk has "limitless and unchecked power" i.e. seemingly, but they have to submit the petition that they have a good faith belief in what they are filing. That is like filing a charging document saying "seemingly the defendant murdered person X".

I would agree with the second part so how would the court have jurisdiction over an office that doesn't exist? Not sure how the States have standing?

Seemed to me like at least half the country had an issue with it. His approval ratings were terrible almost the entire time he was POTUS. Then they roll out the worst candidate possible

 

[VOLS INC.]

Seemed to me like at least half the country had an issue with it. His approval ratings were terrible almost the entire time he was POTUS. Then they roll out the worst candidate possible

Yeah I think Joe was protected a bit. There was an understanding between all sides involved that we couldn’t let Kackles anywhere near the Oval Office unless the voters were dumb enough to put her there.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Yeah I think Joe was protected a bit. There was an understanding between all sides involved that we couldn’t let Kackles anywhere near the Oval Office unless the voters were dumb enough to put her there.

There must be some heavy hitters in the party that knew Harris had no chance but allowed her candidacy anyway. I wonder WTF they were thinking?

 

[VOLS INC.]

There must be some heavy hitters in the party that knew Harris had no chance but allowed her candidacy anyway. I wonder WTF they were thinking?

The conspiracy theory is the party leaders wanted an open primary but Joe and her team beat them to the punch. I don’t really believe that. I think the donors thought she was the best choice and they knew she would be a puppet President. They were betting against Trump, not for her.

I would like to see a more moderate candidate emerge from the Democrat party. Does Bill Clinton not have any eligibility left?? I’m kidding.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

The conspiracy theory is the party leaders wanted an open primary but Joe and her team beat them to the punch. I don’t really believe that. I think the donors thought she was the best choice and they knew she would be a puppet President. They were betting against Trump, not for her.

I would like to see a more moderate candidate emerge from the Democrat party. Does Bill Clinton not have any eligibility left?? I’m kidding.

They are refusing to court Andy Beshear because he is a moderate that won't kowtow to the progressives

 

[VOLS INC.]

They are refusing to court Andy Beshear because he is a moderate that won't kowtow to the progressives

I believe that. The GOP rushed to Romney in 2012 which was a mistake. In 2016 the field was WIDE open. Didn’t expect Trump to emerge. I voted for Cruz in the primary. But still, the party didn’t just pick a candidate and fill the stage with warm bodies like the DNC that year. Lincoln Chafee??? Really!

I’ll look into Beshear though. Just out of curiosity.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I believe that. The GOP rushed to Romney in 2012 which was a mistake. In 2016 the field was WIDE open. Didn’t expect Trump to emerge. I voted for Cruz in the primary. But still, the party didn’t just pick a candidate and fill the stage with warm bodies like the DNC that year. Lincoln Chafee??? Really!

I’ll look into Beshear though. Just out of curiosity.

Governor of Kentucky. A state as red as Tennessee

 

[Ritzwatch]

One of the most frustrating parts of the DOGE audit process is that so many federal agencies appear to think they are above review. As such, many (such as USAID, per SOS Rubio) refuse to cooperate with DOGE.

This, in turn, leads to a complete shutdown of ALL programs run by that agency until the DoGE review re-instates programs this Admin thinks are worthy. That hurts real people who depend on legitimate programs.

I wish all agencies would turn over their info, and let DOGE do its thing. That way, instead of having to shut down everything, later to reinstate what this admin believes is worthy, the “worthy” programs can remain throughout.

The stubbornness of the bureaucracy is hurting sooo many people.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

One of the most frustrating parts of the DOGE audit process is that so many federal agencies appear to think they are above review. As such, many (such as USAID, per SOS Rubio) refuse to cooperate with DOGE.

This, in turn, leads to a complete shutdown of ALL programs run by that agency until the DoGE review re-instates programs this Admin thinks are worthy. That hurts real people who depend on legitimate programs.

I wish all agencies would turn over their info, and let DOGE do its thing. That way, instead of having to shut down everything, later to reinstate what this admin believes is worthy, the “worthy” programs can remain throughout.

The stubbornness of the bureaucracy is hurting sooo many people.

Seeing some actual details of DOGE's tasks and methodology used in obtaining information should be highly transparent. How are they approaching employees for information? What exactly are they looking at besides expenditures? That's just part of the waste. Is anyone sitting down with agency heads and detailing their procedures for the audit? Are they obtaining real details of expenditures overseas? Are they interviewing dispersers of funds and recipients of funds? All important and pertinent details

 

[Ritzwatch]

Seeing some actual details of DOGE's tasks and methodology used in obtaining information should be highly transparent. How are they approaching employees for information? What exactly are they looking at besides expenditures? That's just part of the waste. Is anyone sitting down with agency heads and detailing their procedures for the audit? Are they obtaining real details of expenditures overseas? Are they interviewing dispersers of funds and recipients of funds? All important and pertinent details

No chance. They are running algorithms and comparing those results to statistical probabilities. It is enough to establish “fraud” generally, but not likely to carry the day on 100% of those claims if drilled down upon.

Another way to express it? They sure have made a big play, but whether the ball actually crossed the plain of the goal line I each instance is still under review.

However it works out, it is either a touchdown or it is under review for a first and goal from the one. Either should concern taxpayers, but which ones are certain is yet to be determined.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

No chance. They are running algorithms and comparing those results to statistical probabilities. It is enough to establish “fraud” generally, but not likely to carry the day on 100% of those claims if drilled down upon.

Another way to express it? They sure have made a big play, but whether the ball actually crossed the plain of the goal line I each instance is still under review.

However it works out, it is either a touchdown or it is under review for a first and goal from the one. Either should concern taxpayers, but which ones are certain is yet to be determined.

I'm all for the algorithms. Let's see the details of what they found, more than just X$$$$. Who dispersed it? Why? What did recipient do with it?