Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[Orange_Crush]

I think the thing that rubs me wrong about Trump is consistency? I dunno. 2017 pissed me off with no wall and tax cuts. I feel like that's happening again.

I believe Trump went into his term with everything on the table, and then was forced into survival mode by, as you phrased it, "everything that has come out since 2020". Also, I think Trump had to learn some hard lessons about who he could trust, coming in as an outsider. I think "consistency" was something you just weren't going to get, even with the strongest will and best intentions.

I'm not sure how one can refer to "everything that's come out" and then hold anything short of survival against him.

(I know that I sound like a massive Trump apologist, but that's how I see it. Trump has SO MANY faults, but "he didn't fulfill all of his promises" rings a tad muted to me, considering what he was fighting.)


(Or maybe I misunderstood you.)

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah. I wanted the wall. It's something "they" (government) can never take away from us once it's done.

You underestimate the gov't.

 

[Vol8188]

Yeah. I wanted the wall. It's something "they" (government) can never take away from us once it's done.

You’ve lost me on so many levels. Are you claiming the tax cuts are why the wall was not complete? Why were you upset about tax cuts

Also, I’m pretty sure segments of wall were taken down under Biden. At a minimum he was selling off the materials

 

[mrorange211]

You’ve lost me on so many levels. Are you claiming the tax cuts are why the wall was not complete? Why were you upset about tax cuts

Also, I’m pretty sure segments of wall were taken down under Biden. At a minimum he was selling off the materials

I liked him because the Wall was a priority. The first thing done, then and now, is tax cuts. I want the Wall. The etnire freaking thing. That's it, but I'm beginning to think it was just a ploy or some $hit. Reps used ALL of their political capital on tax cuts, so yeah it was kinda tax cuts that kept the Wall from being built imo. Here we are in 2025 and they are doing the exact same thing, it seems to me, again.

I believe Trump went into his term with everything on the table, and then was forced into survival mode by, as you phrased it, "everything that has come out since 2020". Also, I think Trump had to learn some hard lessons about who he could trust, coming in as an outside. I think "consistency" was something you just weren't going to get, even with the strongest will and best intentions.

I'm not sure how one can refer to "everything that's come out" and then hold anything short of survival against him.

(I know that I sound like a massive Trump apologist, but that's how I see it. Trump has SO MANY faults, but "he didn't fulfill all of his promises" rings a tad muted to me, considering what he was fighting.)


(Or maybe I misunderstood you.)

So his naiveté about the position in 2017 combined with his appointment of swamp creature he thought he could trust, derailed it? I can understand the POV to an extent until we get into some particulars. Why fire Jeff Sessions? One of the actual MAGA people who supported you the most and would help with the Wall and immigration? Why isolate Ann Coulter and not actually enact the policy intiaitives that won you the presidency? Ann is completely convinced that he didn't because he didn't want to. She wrote a whole book of fandom about him before he betrayed her, so I kinda believe her. With the announcement of tax cuts starting again in the House, I'm having Deja Vu. Honestly, I hope I am wrong and that waste is cut and the Wall is built.

 

[Vol8188]

I liked him because the Wall was a priority. The first thing done, then and now, is tax cuts. I want the Wall. The etnire freaking thing. That's it, but I'm beginning to think it was just a ploy or some $hit. Reps used ALL of their political capital on tax cuts, so yeah it was kinda tax cuts that kept the Wall from being built imo. Here we are in 2025 and they are doing the exact same thing, it seems to me, again.

You realize the wall started almost a year before the tax cuts were passed, right? He literally signed the EO for the wall on his 5th day in office.

You seem to be misremembering here. Still don’t understand why you opposed the tax cuts

 

[Orange_Crush]

I liked him because the Wall was a priority. The first thing done, then and now, is tax cuts. I want the Wall. The etnire freaking thing. That's it, but I'm beginning to think it was just a ploy or some $hit. Reps used ALL of their political capital on tax cuts, so yeah it was kinda tax cuts that kept the Wall from being built imo.

So his naiveté about the position in 2017 combined with his appointment of swamp creature he thought he could trust, derailed it? I can understand the POV to an extent until we get into some particulars. Why fire Jeff Sessions? One of the actual MAGA people who supported you the most and would help with the Wall and immigration? Why isolate Ann Coulter and not actually enact the policy intiaitives that won you the presidency? Ann is completely convinced that he didn't because he didn't want to. She wrote a whole book of fandom about him before he betrayed her, so I kinda believe her. With the announcement of tax cuts starting again in the House, I'm having Deja Vu. Honestly, I hope I am wrong and that waste is cut and the Wall is built.

We can wait and see.

But back on topic. I do not fear Trump being a treasonous bastard in the same way that I fear others being treasonous bastards, and it's in large part because I refuse to do what you've asked us to do--ignore what we've seen from each person in the comparison.

 

[mrorange211]

You realize the wall started almost a year before the tax cuts were passed, right? He literally signed the EO for the wall on his 5th day in office.

You seem to be misremembering here. Still don’t understand why you opposed the tax cuts

The EO only goes so far. Congress had to allocate the money. Remember all the shutdowns? They wouldn't give money for the wall after the tax cuts passed. It was a bait-in-switch imo.

We can wait and see.

But back on topic. I do not fear Trump being a treasonous bastard in the same way that I fear others being treasonous bastards, and it's in large part because I refuse to do what you've asked us to do--ignore what we've seen from each person in the comparison.

Fair enouhg, and I get where you are coming from with this perspective. I will say that my fear of totalitarianism from Democrats doesn't preclude me from fear of totalitarianism from Republicans.

 

[Vol8188]

The EO only goes so far. Congress had to allocate the money. Remember all the shutdowns? They wouldn't give money for the wall after the tax cuts passed. It was a bait-in-switch imo.

Fair enouhg, and I get where you are coming from with this perspective. I will say that my fear of totalitarianism from Democrats doesn't preclude me from fear of totalitarianism from Republicans.

They were working on the wall well before the tax cuts. They continued working on it after the tax cuts. You’ve still lost me

 

[mrorange211]

You realize the wall started almost a year before the tax cuts were passed, right? He literally signed the EO for the wall on his 5th day in office.

You seem to be misremembering here. Still don’t understand why you opposed the tax cuts

oh, and it's not like I'm opposed to tax cuts, but when you look at the overall effects with that legislation and the one making its way through Congress, I don't really benefit much compared to other classes.

 

[Vol8188]

oh, and it's not like I'm opposed to tax cuts, but when you look at the overall effects with that legislation and the one making its way through Congress, I don't really benefit much compared to other classes.

I’ve heard that lie before, but it’s a pretty well known lie. When you double the standard deduction, that helps the lowest end earners far more than it does anyone else. Along with quadrupling the child tax credit

 

[mrorange211]

They were working on the wall well before the tax cuts. They continued working on it after the tax cuts. You’ve still lost me

Check out this timeline

 

[Vol8188]

Check out this timeline

What specifically do you want me to take away from this article? It seems decently long

 

[NashVol11]

>leftoids bitching about the Constitution
>leftoids thinking judicial review is constitutional
>leftoids literally wanting to violate the 1st, 2nd, and 4th all the time at bare minimum
>leftoids being idiots as usual

If this is a suggestion that judicial review is "unconstitutional" then you shouldn't be calling anyone an idiot

 

[mrorange211]

What specifically do you want me to take away from this article? It seems decently long

ha. That it didn't happen. Also, the increase in the standard deduction did help people, I'll grant you that, but my benefit from the 2017 act was not much.

 

[Vol8188]

ha. That it didn't happen. Also, the increase in the standard deduction did help people, I'll grant you that, but my benefit from the 2017 act was not much.

They built 400 miles covering roughly 20% of the border. What specifically are you claiming didn’t happen?

So did quadrupling the child tax credit. It’s a blatant lie that the lower class did not benefit

Edit: I’m pretty sure all tax brackets were lowered too

 

[Orange_Crush]

The EO only goes so far. Congress had to allocate the money. Remember all the shutdowns? They wouldn't give money for the wall after the tax cuts passed. It was a bait-in-switch imo.

Fair enouhg, and I get where you are coming from with this perspective. I will say that my fear of totalitarianism from Democrats doesn't preclude me from fear of totalitarianism from Republicans.

I believe there is a difference between believing it enough possibility to be wary, and "fearing" it.

Also, if I defend Trump, I am not defending the Republican party. They are merely the other side of the corrupt gov't coin. If I gave any other indication, I offer my apologies.

 

[NashVol11]

Because they left the ****ing report for Misk to find and not a ****ing thing has been done about it except the continued waste of money…..that’s why the new report is a larger number than the original report you…..

Edit: that last part, while accurate was too harsh

It's not a larger number. Elon/MTG took the same $2.7T number, pretended they discovered it and attributed it to "Medicare and Medicaid" when it was the number for all agencies across several decades

 

[Majors]

I think the thing that rubs me wrong about Trump is consistency? I dunno. 2017 pissed me off with no wall and tax cuts. I feel like that's happening again.

Remember 5B was too much for the wall as deemed by the liberal house. The wall is change compared to what we’ve sent to Ukraine.

 

[mrorange211]

They built 400 miles covering roughly 20% of the border. What specifically are you claiming didn’t happen?

So did quadrupling the child tax credit. It’s a blatant lie that the lower class did not benefit

Edit: I’m pretty sure all tax brackets were lowered too

I don't want 20%. I want 100%. They quadrupled the tax credit? It went from $1000>$2000 I thought?

Remember 5B was too much for the wall as deemed by the liberal house. The wall is change compared to what we’ve sent to Ukraine.

If it had been the first deal made, it would have happened. That's what I'm saying. It wasn't and it isn't now either.

 

[Vol8188]

I don't want 20%. I want 100%. They quadrupled the tax credit? It went from $1000>$2000 I thought?

If it had been the first deal made, it would have happened. That's what I'm saying. It wasn't and it isn't now either.

You’re right. I was thinking it was $500. And yes, government takes a long time. I’m not even sure 100% can have a wall built along it. Your complaint seems absurd to be honest.

If he’s built 800 miles total when he leaves office, that will be an accomplishment.

He did it on day 5 in office. You’re just making up nonsense reasons to be upset

 

[Majors]

If it had been the first deal made, it would have happened. That's what I'm saying. It wasn't and it isn't now either.

It wasn’t happening without being approved by Congress, you do know how this all works dont you?

He’s got his cabinet being secured before he moves forward.

 

[mrorange211]

It wasn’t happening without being approved by Congress, you do know how this all works dont you?

He’s got his cabinet being secured before he moves forward.

Yes, I'm aware and he caved twice because he was in over his head politically (or surrounded by swamp creatures whichever you prefer) and had used all his chips on the cuts. Presidents don't get everything they want and they really have about 6 months to do something until political will evaporates and the tables turn. Maybe that won't happen this time? The proposed tax cuts in the House right now tell me it will.

You’re right. I was thinking it was $500. And yes, government takes a long time. I’m not even sure 100% can have a wall built along it. Your complaint seems absurd to be honest.

If he’s built 800 miles total when he leaves office, that will be an accomplishment.

He did it on day 5 in office. You’re just making up nonsense reasons to be upset

He DID NOT do it on Day 5 in office. He only defined what the wall would be. I am holding the man to his oldest promise. That's all, and I'm not going to make excuses for him when he hasn't done it.

 

[Majors]

Yes, I'm aware and he caved twice because he was in over his head politically and had used all his chips on the cuts. Presidents don't get everything they want and they really have about 6 months to do something until political will evaporates and the tables turn. Maybe that won't happen this time? The proposed tax cuts in the House right now tell me it will.

He DID NOT do it on Day 5 in office. He only defined what the wall would be. I am holding the man to his oldest promise. That's all, and I'm not going to make excuses for him when he hasn't done it.

So you’re aware a Pelosi led house stopped the wall, not Trump.

 

[Vol8188]

Yes, I'm aware and he caved twice because he was in over his head politically (or surrounded by Swamp creature whichever you prefer) and had used all his chips on the cuts. Presidents don't get everything they want and they really have about 6 months to do something until political will evaporates and the tables turn. Maybe that won't happen this time? The proposed tax cuts in the House right now tell me it will.

He DID NOT do it on Day 5 in office. He only defined what the wall would be. I am holding the man to his oldest promise. That's all, and I'm not going to make excuses for him when he hasn't done it.

Your standard is dumb. You’re looking for reasons to be upset.

 

[mrorange211]

So you’re aware a Pelosi led house stopped the wall, not Trump.

100%. What I'm saying is that it didn't have to be that way if done initially in 2017. It wasn't.

Your standard is dumb. You’re looking for reasons to be upset.

It's dumb to want the dude to do what he said he would do. Ok.