Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[Orange_Crush]

Does anyone want to know why socialists want the federal gov't to fill all the needs, and they mock religions, charity and the promotion of communities heling one another? It's more than just the desire for bigger gov't and more taxes to redistribute wealth.

It's because it's almost impossible to control a united citizenry. There are many more of us than there are them (gov't). So, they need to break us up into small groups of hate and distrust so that we fight one another, pick a side, and support that side. When we, The people, help one another, it does a few things.

1. It proves that we need the gov't far less than they tell us we do.
2. It breaks down hate.
3. It builds trust.

Those three things are some of the most important factors in a civil, free society.

 

[volfanhill]

Yeah, okay bud. WWJD? Some of y'all didn't pay attention during the fish and bread story and it shows.

Jesus would be slapping the **** out of you and flipping over all your tables.

I have no issues with the kind of people who thing feeding students is waste not liking my opinion.

Again, you struggle with reading comprehension.

 

[utvolpj]

How many thousands of kids are dying of starvation in the summer

Hunger doesn't mean death. There are a whole lot of hungry kids in this country year round. Summer just takes away another avenue to get fed

And all those people who will be more charitable once they get a tax cut should just do it now. Nothing holding them back from cutting the check today

 

[jwells]

It is awe inspiring, the lengths you will go to misrepresent arguments.

No one is saying that hungry kids should go hungry. Just a belief that there are more efficient ways of feeding them. We've been clear on this, yet you still misrepresent it.
No one brought race into it, except you.
You've completely ignored the points that people would have more $ to be charitable if the gov't was taxing them less. It's literally by definition true, but again, you ignore it so you can beat that drum.
You mock the demonstrably true ways that churches and citizens already serve the less fortunate, just so you can beat that drum.

What is more efficient than a large organization buying in bulk and utilizing kitchens and staff that already exist?
The argument that gov dollars back in tax equals the same to charity is baffling. Just a stupid argument.
I've not mocked churches and charities. I'm saying they lack the resources to fill the void your dumb tax plan would create. And yeah, I think church trips to Africa where kids do a ****** job "building" a school (and the Africans there have to do it at night while they sleep) is stupid. Send the money, skip the Safari and feel-good photo session when they return.

 

[rekinhavoc]

NGO That Sparked Trump's Impeachment Received Massive Taxpayer Subsidy, Report

An international non-government organization (NGO) that served as a major catalyst for President Donald Trump's impeachment received over half of its funding fr

www.dailyfetched.com

Please stop sending our tax dollars for this crap.

 

[utvolpj]

NGO That Sparked Trump's Impeachment Received Massive Taxpayer Subsidy, Report

An international non-government organization (NGO) that served as a major catalyst for President Donald Trump's impeachment received over half of its funding fr

www.dailyfetched.com

Please stop sending our tax dollars for this crap.

It will never stop, it just changes team colors

 

[Orange_Crush]

Nah, I'm just sick of the idea that feeding children is "government waste" and that they're not LITERALLY DYING, so they must have plenty of food because someone saw some welfare queen buying candy or trading for weed with their EBT.

Are you dumb, or a liar?

The argument you are misrepresenting is that:

1. Feeding hungry kids is important.
2. The gov't takes money to do it, but there is inherent waste and a lack of accountability in them doing so.
3. Feeding kids is so important that wasting money earmarked for it is bad. Thus...
4. Doing so in the most efficient way possible is the best solution.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Not sure what your link proved, other than the fact that school lunches aren’t fixing the problem. If you actually follow the links back in time, it seems to show that “food insecurity” as measured by the amazingly accurate scientific method known as a “survey” has only gotten worse over the past 20+ years.

Despite the expansion of school lunch programs.

Even more interestingly is that the entire survey is a joke. What you’re tryin to claim represents “hungry kids” are families who responded that they felt they couldn’t always afford “balanced meals”. So the kid may have had their fill of Chef Boyardee but because mom felt she couldn’t afford a salad too, you’re now going to lie and proclaim that’s a “hungry child”?

The US spent about $2300 per student in 1980. That is about $9000 in 2024 dollars.

The US spent about $14,000 per student in 2024. And, apparently, in addition to not being able to read, rite, or do 'rithmatic, the kids are also now going hungry.

The answer, obviously, is that more government spending is necessary to overcome the deficiencies created by the more government spending.

Actually evaluating efficacy within the government programs is too hurtful.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

What is more efficient than a large organization buying in bulk and utilizing kitchens and staff that already exist?
The argument that gov dollars back in tax equals the same to charity is baffling. Just a stupid argument.
I've not mocked churches and charities. I'm saying they lack the resources to fill the void your dumb tax plan would create. And yeah, I think church trips to Africa where kids do a ****** job "building" a school (and the Africans there have to do it at night while they sleep) is stupid. Send the money, skip the Safari and feel-good photo session when they return.

And miss the opportunity to see a Giraffe?

 

[rekinhavoc]

It will never stop, it just changes team colors

Ain't that the truth.

 

[jwells]

Are you dumb, or a liar?

The argument you are misrepresenting is that:

1. Feeding hungry kids is important.
2. The gov't takes money to do it, but there is inherent waste and a lack of accountability in them doing so.
3. Feeding kids is so important that wasting money earmarked for it is bad. Thus...
4. Doing so in the most efficient way possible is the best solution.

"lack of accountability" ....uh, it's public dollars spend in public ways. You can see the line items.
This IS the most efficient way. Pay districts to buy food and staff cafeterias and feed kids. It's LITERALLY done at the local level. The people YOU elected are spending the money with no increased overhead. Splitting that money up amongst a multitude of private organizations with overhead and thinking it'd all just flow back to the kids is insane.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah, okay bud. WWJD? Some of y'all didn't pay attention during the fish and bread story and it shows.

Jesus would be slapping the **** out of you and flipping over all your tables.

I have no issues with the kind of people who thing feeding students is waste not liking my opinion.

Where in that story does Jesus call in the Romans to forcibly take from one crowd to give to another? It seems that Jesus took what the community voluntarily gave, and miraculously provided for every need with so much extra left over.

You're a strange one. You mock the idea of the church providing for the hungry, then use the concept as an ill-fated defense of your argument for government taxation? Again, you just proved our point.

 

[Orange_Crush]

"lack of accountability" ....uh, it's public dollars spend in public ways. You can see the line items.
This IS the most efficient way. Pay districts to buy food and staff cafeterias and feed kids. It's LITERALLY done at the local level. The people YOU elected are spending the money with no increased overhead. Splitting that money up amongst a multitude of private organizations with overhead and thinking it'd all just flow back to the kids is insane.

At least you've graduated to arguing the points as opposed to lying about what the other side is saying. Kudos for that.

I mean, you suck at this too, but at least you're not straw-manning the argument in your last couple of posts.

 

[C-south]

What is more efficient than a large organization buying in bulk and utilizing kitchens and staff that already exist?
The argument that gov dollars back in tax equals the same to charity is baffling. Just a stupid argument.
I've not mocked churches and charities. I'm saying they lack the resources to fill the void your dumb tax plan would create. And yeah, I think church trips to Africa where kids do a ****** job "building" a school (and the Africans there have to do it at night while they sleep) is stupid. Send the money, skip the Safari and feel-good photo session when they return.

You’re trying to fix terrible parenting with monumental waste.

 

[ButchPlz]

You’re trying to fix terrible parenting with monumental waste.

I'd rather just burn the cash in a barrel.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Yeah, okay bud. WWJD? Some of y'all didn't pay attention during the fish and bread story and it shows.

Jesus would be slapping the **** out of you and flipping over all your tables.

I have no issues with the kind of people who thing feeding students is waste not liking my opinion.

Respectfully, Jesus taught His followers to make and be the difference in the world; I am unaware of Him teaching His followers to rely on Rome.

The earliest Christians (the church of Acts, Chapter 2) provided for each other by a model that was beautiful in it's sacrifice and love for one another. They did not rely on politicians or governments.

I do not see where either Jesus or the early church leaders were interested in replacing our individual obligation to love our neighbor by the impersonal substitution of provision by governmental authorities.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Promote the general welfare. It's a basic tenet of US government.

The taxation is theft schtick is realllll good 'til people are up whining FEMA isn't giving them enough money.

Promote /= provide. That’s pretty basic understanding. The government needs to get out of the way not directly care for.

 

[CobbVol]

Yeah, okay bud. WWJD? Some of y'all didn't pay attention during the fish and bread story and it shows.

Jesus would be slapping the **** out of you and flipping over all your tables.

I have no issues with the kind of people who thing feeding students is waste not liking my opinion.

Jesus would put the 10 Commandments on the wall in the cafeteria where the children ate. You're all in for that right?

 

[jwells]

At least you've graduated to arguing the points as opposed to lying about what the other side is saying. Kudos for that.

I mean, you suck at this too, but at least you're not straw-manning the argument in your last couple of posts.

Where am I wrong?
How is your local school board *less* efficient at handling feeding students in its schools than a myriad of community organizations? Please explain how people going to various locations to collect food, then prepare it, is more efficient than showing up to the lunch room twice a day.

 

[jwells]

Jesus would put the 10 Commandments on the wall in the cafeteria where the children ate. You're all in for that right?

Would he? I mean, I imagine we'd have a different president if we all stuck to WWJD and the 10 Commandments...

 

[CobbVol]

Would he? I mean, I imagine we'd have a different president if we all stuck to WWJD and the 10 Commandments...

Based on your comment I will take that as you are not for it as I suspected.

 

[jwells]

Where in that story does Jesus call in the Romans to forcibly take from one crowd to give to another? It seems that Jesus took what the community voluntarily gave, and miraculously provided for every need with so much extra left over.

You're a strange one. You mock the idea of the church providing for the hungry, then use the concept as an ill-fated defense of your argument for government taxation? Again, you just proved our point.

The idea that sending taxes back will even out ignores that 1% pay like 99% of taxes and they wouldn't be dumping that money into Appalachian churches to feed kids.

Taxation is theft is such a dumb argument.

 

[jwells]

Based on your comment I will take that as you are not for it as I suspected.

Individuals are welcome to do as Jesus would do. Government entities are not welcome to promote one religion over others. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

 

[NorthDallas40]

"lack of accountability" ....uh, it's public dollars spend in public ways. You can see the line items.
This IS the most efficient way. Pay districts to buy food and staff cafeterias and feed kids. It's LITERALLY done at the local level. The people YOU elected are spending the money with no increased overhead. Splitting that money up amongst a multitude of private organizations with overhead and thinking it'd all just flow back to the kids is insane.

Let the states do it then. Remove a layer of bureaucracy and put the needs closer to the funding. There is zero rationale why this should be funded at the federal level other than to promote big government socialism.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Where am I wrong?
How is your local school board *less* efficient at handling feeding students in its schools than a myriad of community organizations? Please explain how people going to various locations to collect food, then prepare it, is more efficient than showing up to the lunch room twice a day.

1. There are already programs to feed kids. Using the DoE is duplicative and not the purpose of the org.
2. The debate hasn't been about local school boards. It's about the federal Gov't. Again, you misrepresent the dialog when your arguments fail.
3. No one has stated that school boards should go anywhere and collect it. We're primarily talking about dollars. They could get those dollars just as easily from direct donations via churches and other charities. And I guarantee you that those charities will be able to give account for the moneys FAR better than the federal gov't has shown their track record of auditability.

You seem to want to create defeater (disingenuously) for community support.

But again, feeding kids is not the role and purpose of the DoE, or local school boards. There are many more community outlets (and federal programs) to feed the poor.