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jmacvols1 said:
I don't know how many times I've read on forums where people post..."name the source or it's not true". Why don't Reuters name their sources?

Musk owes Ukraine NOTHING. When the war first started Starlink was used some but Musk did not want his technology used in wars..and he has that right. Where do people get the idea the world owes Ukraine everything.
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US negotiater Keith Kellogg met with Zelensky where supposed threat of cutting off Starlink. Here is what Zelensky says:

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read it and weep Musk haters

www.yahoo.com

Zelenskyy: US has not hinted at possible Starlink shutdown in Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the United States has not dropped any hints about Starlink terminals in Ukraine potentially being shut down. However, he acknowledged that Ukraine should be prepared for such an eventuality.
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volbound1700 said:
You are one to talk... you are really bad about it, you are just in the opposite camp.
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You don't know anything about me, we've seen Elon being a POS on many occasions that I haven't come close to doing. Remember when he called that cave rescuer a pedo? Remember two days ago when his child was having a medical emergency and the mom had to keep tweeting at him to get him to respond? Remember how he's been making s**t up about people who are already losing their jobs?
 
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NashVol11 said:
You don't know anything about me, meanwhile we've seen Elon being a POS on many occasions. Remember when he called that cave rescuer a pedo? Remember two days ago when his child was having a medical emergency and the mom had to keep tweeting at him to get him to respond?
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Ehh....
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I actually haven’t read the Reuters piece in question. It might be a trash piece I have no idea. But to just dismiss Reuters as left propaganda is laughable.
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The pendelum was kinda swinging both ways, IMO. Seemed like a few were implying that the anonymous sources being reported by Reuters added a layer of veracity to their claims, while contrasting that against Elon's history of levity on twitter.

I'm willing to bet, if it ever comes out, that those 3 anonymous sources were part of Zelensky's team. (3 month avatar bet if anyone wants in). I don't think anybody outright lied persay, but I think Zelensky's team, the US negotiators, and Elon are all being disingenuous.

I'm still not sure how much autonomy of day-to-day operations Elon has over starlink in these international situations. The deal made between the DoD & Starlink was already complicated and confidential. Now, it's only gotten more convoluted since Elon started working with Trump's administration. The DoD started paying Ukraine's monthly service fee when they made that deal in 2023. The DoD can certainly quit paying for it, but can they legally prevent Elon from providing Ukraine access to starlink services if he wanted to? Or could Elon autonomously revoke Ukraine's access if he wanted?

Pure supposition here.
1. I think the US negotiators threatened to quit paying for Ukraine's starlink service.
2. I think three anonymous sources from Zelensky's team reported it to Reuters as they had their access to starlink threatened.
3. Elon did what Elon does and leaned into it the confusion instead of clarifying.

Oddly, while wasting 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back looking into it this, I encountered some possibly contradictory reporting.

June 1st 2023, Reuters reported that the US DoD was paying Ukraines starlink fees.

Two days ago Saturday, Reuters reported, that Poland's Deputy Prime Minister claimed they'd been paying Ukraines monthly subscription fee for Starlink.
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MemphisVol77 said:
The pendelum was kinda swinging both ways, IMO. Seemed like a few were implying that the anonymous sources being reported by Reuters added a layer of veracity to their claims, while contrasting that against Elon's history of levity on twitter.

I'm willing to bet, if it ever comes out, that those 3 anonymous sources were part of Zelensky's team. (3 month avatar bet if anyone wants in). I don't think anybody outright lied persay, but I think Zelensky's team, the US negotiators, and Elon are all being disingenuous.

I'm still not sure how much autonomy of day-to-day operations Elon has over starlink in these international situations. The deal made between the DoD & Starlink was already complicated and confidential. Now, it's only gotten more convoluted since Elon started working with Trump's administration. The DoD started paying Ukraine's monthly service fee when they made that deal in 2023. The DoD can certainly quit paying for it, but can they legally prevent Elon from providing Ukraine access to starlink services if he wanted to? Or could Elon autonomously revoke Ukraine's access if he wanted?

Pure supposition here.
1. I think the US negotiators threatened to quit paying for Ukraine's starlink service.
2. I think three anonymous sources from Zelensky's team reported it to Reuters as they had their access to starlink threatened.
3. Elon did what Elon does and leaned into it the confusion instead of clarifying.

Oddly, while wasting 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back looking into it this, I encountered some possibly contradictory reporting.

June 1st 2023, Reuters reported that the US DoD was paying Ukraines starlink fees.

Two days ago Saturday, Reuters reported, that Poland's Deputy Prime Minister claimed they'd been paying Ukraines monthly subscription fee for Starlink.
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www.yahoo.com

Zelenskyy: US has not hinted at possible Starlink shutdown in Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the United States has not dropped any hints about Starlink terminals in Ukraine potentially being shut down. However, he acknowledged that Ukraine should be prepared for such an eventuality.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

"Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the United States has not dropped any hints about Starlink terminals in Ukraine potentially being shut down. However, he acknowledged that Ukraine should be prepared for such an eventuality."
 
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NashVol11 said:
You didn't stop to think that it might be an issue if random billionaires are in classified meetings with foreign presidents? Nevermind, you taking every Elon tweet as fact makes more sense now
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in case you missed it:

www.yahoo.com

Zelenskyy: US has not hinted at possible Starlink shutdown in Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the United States has not dropped any hints about Starlink terminals in Ukraine potentially being shut down. However, he acknowledged that Ukraine should be prepared for such an eventuality.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
 
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jmacvols1 said:
www.yahoo.com

Zelenskyy: US has not hinted at possible Starlink shutdown in Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the United States has not dropped any hints about Starlink terminals in Ukraine potentially being shut down. However, he acknowledged that Ukraine should be prepared for such an eventuality.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

"Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the United States has not dropped any hints about Starlink terminals in Ukraine potentially being shut down. However, he acknowledged that Ukraine should be prepared for such an eventuality."
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Are we agreeing? Disagreeing? I'm pretty certain I didn't miss anything. I was still putting my wall of text together when you posted that(on a mobile phone, Doh!), but I've since read it.

Nothing in the article refutes my post. It even leaves open the possibility for the supposition I posited.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Are we agreeing? Disagreeing? I'm pretty certain I didn't miss anything. I was still putting my wall of text together when you posted that(on a mobile phone, Doh!), but I've since read it.

Nothing in the article refutes my post. It even leaves open the possibility for the supposition I posited.
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I was just helping out by adding some extra info to what you had posted.

Looks like Reuters was wrong.
 
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McDad said:
Again, agreed. If one branch creates an agency, the other branch cannot unilaterally close it unless that was part of the agency's founding.
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Didnt Carter start the DoEd from the executive branch? Trump can probably kill that one.

Trillions of taxpayer dollars spent on that agency since 1979...and both 4th and 8th graders are worse at reading and math now almost 50 years later. Abject failure. Would be interesting to see how the other Depts were founded ...
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Didnt Carter start the DoEd from the executive branch? Trump can probably kill that one.

Trillions of taxpayer dollars spent on that agency since 1979...and both 4th and 8th graders are worse at reading and math now almost 50 years later. Abject failure. Would be interesting to see how the other Depts were founded ...
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you will see billions for DEI
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Elon is basically Travis Henry lite having all of those kids with multiple females.
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It reminds me of the demented fertility doctor in Nebraska (?) who was impregnating hundreds of patients with his own f***ed up seed. He even had one or two big genetic weaknesses. Some kind of illness, I can't remember. So messed up. It's unclear why he did it, but it seems like it was maybe sociopathy/narcissism + weird religious beliefs.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It reminds me of the demented fertility doctor in Nebraska (?) who was impregnating hundreds of patients with his own f***ed up seed. He even had one or two big genetic weaknesses. Some kind of illness, I can't remember. So messed up. It's unclear why he did it, but it seems like it was maybe sociopathy/narcissism + weird religious beliefs.
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Where did Elon hurt you?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Didnt Carter start the DoEd from the executive branch? Trump can probably kill that one.

Trillions of taxpayer dollars spent on that agency since 1979...and both 4th and 8th graders are worse at reading and math now almost 50 years later. Abject failure. Would be interesting to see how the other Depts were founded ...
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The DoEd technically existed before that, it was just under the operation of a larger, self-titled department. Carter just made it its own department. And if Trump just deletes the department, I would guess that it would only delete a small part of the expenses associated with it and those remaining expenses would be carried out by some other department that it gets folded into.
 
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Vol423 said:
...and here I thought the biggest scandal in history was how Kari Lake claims election fraud every time she loses (which is every single time for those keeping count).
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I laffed.

In fairness to her though...AZ had the dirtiest, cheating azz election probably of all 50 states. Last couple federal elections. Also, the wench that allegedly beat her is a scumbag if there has ever been one ...and likely headed to prison. Currently under investigation for a bunch of crap thats felonious.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I laffed.

In fairness to her though...AZ had the dirtiest, cheating azz election probably of all 50 states. Last couple federal elections. Also, the wench that allegedly beat her is a scumbag if there has ever been one ...and likely headed to prison. Currently under investigation for a bunch of crap thats felonious.
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Trump won Arizona convincingly in 2024, so you're saying the R's cheated? What are you saying?
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Elon is basically Travis Henry lite having all of those kids with multiple females.
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Elon has 13 kids by 4 different babymamas. Most of any African American i know of. To my knowledge, he has completely funded all of his kids so far anyway rather than having them on medicaid, food stamps, sec8 housing etc so that you and I have to support them. Which I appreciate. All this "white privilege" of supporting everyone elses kids gets expensive quick.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Trump won Arizona convincingly in 2024, so you're saying the R's cheated? What are you saying?
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My real issue was the bullcrap in 2020, I am not really sure what happened there in 24. Shenanigans though with the vote have got to stop. Germany counted 50 million paper ballots and had bulletproof results instantly...ON VOTING DAY. Like every single election in my childhood before morons and technology got involved. We need voter ID...paper ballots...same day results. No excuse for anything less.
 
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