Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[Orange_Crush]

Giving people 15 minutes to grab their personal belongings and gtfo seems unnecessarily cruel and demeaning.

That's literally how it's worked everywhere I've ever worked for the past 30 years. As a matter of fact, it's generally been, "We'll clean out your desk for you and mail it to you."

Your manager shows up with an HR rep, they pull you into a conference room. They inform you. They allow you to grab your most immediate personal belongings. They walk you out.

You don't get any further access to computer systems, company documents, etc...

You just leave.

 

[lawgator1]

I am not in a position to disagree with what you all are saying about how abrupt it can be. I have only witnessed it as an employer and we counsel people out, not a quick end.

 

[TheDeeble]

Giving people 15 minutes to grab their personal belongings and gtfo seems unnecessarily cruel and demeaning.

Pretty standard in the private sector I think. The only people I’ve ever known that could come in on their last day and hang out, visit, or take their time is someone that’s retiring.

Fired or laid off? Get escorted by security to your desk. Grab stuff and go. That’s if they don’t just mail your your things. Probably to prevent any vandalism or sabotage by the recently released.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I am not in a position to disagree with what you all are saying about how abrupt it can be. I have only witnessed it as an employer and we counsel people out, not a quick end.

A two week notice given to an employer is widely considered a professional common courtesy when an employee wants to leave normally for another job or just hates what he or she is doing. Employers sure as hell don't care about a two week notice when they want to can your azz. It's Funny how that stuff works.

 

[theFallGuy]

Pretty standard in the private sector I think. The only people I’ve ever known that could come in on their last day and hang out, visit, or take their time is someone that’s retiring.

Fired or laid off? Get escorted by security to your desk. Grab stuff and go. That’s if they don’t just mail your your things. Probably to prevent any vandalism or sabotage by the recently released.

For sure it's pretty standard. Once you get fired you are considered a liability. Security walks you out. They don't let you just hang out in the office.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

If an employee gives 2 week notice, I usually have them out by the end of the next day. Star employees leaving might get to the end of the week but that's the exception....

Retirees get full 2 weeks but usually they have set a date months in advance.

 

[lawgator1]

A two week notice given to an employer is widely considered a professional common courtesy when an employee wants to leave normally for another job or just hates what he or she is doing. Employers sure as hell don't care about a two week notice when they want to can your azz. It's Funny how that stuff works.

I get the point that you don't want them screwing with computers or sabotaging things. The flip side of that equation, however, is that given the scorched-Earth approach to this I'm not sure that a 15 minute warning accomplishes much to prevent that, whereas if you treat people with respect and will pay them for a reasonable period after they leave to give them time to find a new job, that has always worked in my experience to make the transition a smooth one.

The way that Trump and Musk do this, with the messaging of a big "F you, you're a worthless piece of crap and a drain on the system" seems to me more likely to generate retaliation.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No conflict of interest here.

FAA could drop $2B contract with Verizon for Musk’s Starlink

The FAA has confirmed it is considering cancelling a $2 billion contract with Verizon in favor of Musk’s Starlink systems.

www.aerotime.aero

What is the conflict?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What is the conflict?

A conflict exists if its real or perceived. At a minimum, it is a perceived COI.....

 

[Orange_Crush]

A conflict exists if its real or perceived. At a minimum, it is a perceived COI.....

The administration will need to be very transparent about the separation between Musk, that contract, and Verizon's contract information.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

A conflict exists if its real or perceived. At a minimum, it is a perceived COI.....

As a consumer, my 'interest' is that they obtain the best product. I'll just hazard a guess, but with SpacEx parking some 30,000 satellites in LEO over the next few years, there will be virtually zero areas of the planet that are uncovered by StarLink. That being said, in another post I talked about how ATC is tracking and separating exponentially growing traffic over remote areas of the planet will demand the best coverage available. (Hopefully even the EuroSam corridor will be covered) And also as an aside, we can't get to pilotless airliners without that kind of dependable coverage. I am sure Verizon has some satellites in GeoSync or is renting space on them, but StarLink is the future. The Elon haters are gonna hate no matter what and sing COI, but they are morons.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What is the conflict?

Let's say the airline you fly for struggles and needs a govt bailout. To get the bailout, your company must abide by rules of a special master. This master is the CEO of Boeing, who donated several hundred million to the POTUS. This master cancels Airbus contracts for new planes and replaces them with Boeing planes.

Is that a conflict? Real or perceived.

The person who decides the best plane is this Boeing CEO

 

[Orange_Crush]

As a consumer, my 'interest' is that they obtain the best product. I'll just hazard a guess, but with SpacEx parking some 30,000 satellites in LEO over the next few years, there will be virtually zero areas of the planet that are uncovered by StarLink. That being said, in another post I talked about how ATC is tracking and separating exponentially growing traffic over remote areas of the planet will demand the best coverage available. (Hopefully even the EuroSam corridor will be covered) And also as an aside, we can't get to pilotless airliners without that kind of dependable coverage. I am sure Verizon has some satellites in GeoSync or is renting space on them, but StarLink is the future. The Elon haters are gonna hate no matter what and sing COI, but they are morons.

They'll need to show that Elon had no access to see details on the Verizon contract, and also what aspects of the SL contract made it a better option than Verizon.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Let's say the airline you fly for struggles and needs a govt bailout. To get the bailout, your company must abide by rules of a special master. This master is the CEO of Boeing, who donated several hundred million to the POTUS. This master cancels Airbus contracts for new planes and replaces them with Boeing planes.

Is that a conflict? Real or perceived.

The person who decides the best plane is this Boeing CEO

Dear God not Boeing. Inferior products in so many ways.

Airlines shouldn't be getting bailouts. Ever.

The 'master' was poorly chosen in that example. Admittedly I don't know all the details of this deal, and in a sense I am just arguing. However, if you look at what SpacEx is doing and where they are going, they are far more nimble than VZ. (And I also say that as a VZ shareholder).

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Dear God not Boeing. Inferior products in so many ways.

Airlines shouldn't be getting bailouts. Ever.

The 'master' was poorly chosen in that example. Admittedly I don't know all the details of this deal, and in a sense I am just arguing. However, if you look at what SpacEx is doing and where they are going, they are far more nimble than VZ. (And I also say that as a VZ shareholder).

I know Boeing sucks but just wanted to scare you a bit with my example.....

Im sure SpaceX is better than VZ but someone with independence needs to make thst determination....

 

[Orange_Crush]

I know Boeing sucks but just wanted to scare you a bit with my example.....

Im sure SpaceX is better than VZ but someone with independence needs to make thst determination....

Even if SL is the better product, with the preferred contract details, they'll need to show that Elon never had access to view the VZ contract. It's a HUGE advantage to see competitors' contracts, as you can then adjust your own "just enough" to become preferable to theirs. You can find that perfect spot between bloated and too profitable, and super competitive, thus more profitable than it could be.

 

[BeardedVol]

I know Boeing sucks but just wanted to scare you a bit with my example.....

Im sure SpaceX is better than VZ but someone with independence needs to make thst determination....

I think Starlink being "better" than Verizon is totally subjective to the application of the technology, and the environment it's used in.

Starlink terminals are basically useless in heavy cloud cover.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Even if SL is the better product, with the preferred contract details, they'll need to show that Elon never had access to view the VZ contract. It's a HUGE advantage to see competitors' contracts, as you can then adjust your own "just enough" to become preferable to theirs. You can find that perfect spot between bloated and too profitable, and super competitive, thus more profitable than it could be.

Yeah, that's an extremely important detail but I think that's undoable now. Too late, I believe he probably knows

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I am not in a position to disagree with what you all are saying about how abrupt it can be. I have only witnessed it as an employer and we counsel people out, not a quick end.

Id say its probably a little different for lawyers than Costco cashiers.. .

 

[InVOLuntary]

I never dreamed I'd see "liberals" going to bat for Big Government and wasteful spending. Of course, the Green People now hate the man who made EVs a reality, so who knows...

It's not so mich the cuts, although some are pissed that the money for gay comic books and, transgender surgeries, and drag shows aren't being funded now, most are just pissed at who's doing the cutting.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think Starlink being "better" than Verizon is totally subjective to the application of the technology, and the environment it's used in.

Starlink terminals are basically useless in heavy cloud cover.

Your opinion is way to jaded with hatred of anything not leftist.

Just go away.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Id say its probably a little different for lawyers than Costco cashiers.. .

For the ~15 minutes, get your things, and leave scenario, I'm surprised he doesn't see that in an office environment.

Cashiers probably wake up to a text from a low level shift supe telling them not to bother coming in anymore.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Your opinion is way to jaded with hatred of anything not leftist.

Just go away.

Buddy, I hate to deliver the news, but you just described yourself (with one obvious difference).

 

[McDad]

Giving people 15 minutes to grab their personal belongings and gtfo seems unnecessarily cruel and demeaning.

You've never been terminated from a large firm or Fortune 500 company, have you?

My SiL was let go from her Treasury job at Bridgeston/Firestone. Security was waiting in the hall for her to leave the boss's office. Escorted to desk. Removed all personal items. Took her badge, key card, and escorted her to the exit door.

ETA: As I continued to read the thread, I see everyone else has covered this. Sorry to "pile on".

 

[Orange_Crush]

For the ~15 minutes, get your things, and leave scenario, I'm surprised he doesn't see that in an office environment.

Cashiers probably wake up to a text from a low level shift supe telling them not to bother coming in anymore.

On one hand, I can probably see @lawgator1's side of relaxed and "counseling" them out if it's a small office with a lot of trust. But on the other side of the coin, I suspect he has a lot of important, very confidential client information laying around. If he plays it all casual, misjudges, and an employee he's getting rid of gets angry... That could be a very hurtful misjudgment.