Detailed background and story on this whole Pearl situation

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#127
Rasputin_Vol said:
If it was released by someone in the UTAD, I would eliminate it coming from Hamilton just based on this quote...



I can't imagine Hamilton wanting to leak this and make himself look weak or wanting to highlight an instance where he is put in his place.

If I had to guess the source of this leak, I am putting my money on a guy that I think has been leaking information for at least 4 years. It would have to be someone that has had intimate knowledge of that program over the entire time that we've had 3 new coaches in football, knowledge of the Pearl and Kiffin allegations, and someone who would have access to all of the key players...

It's David Blackburn.
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Prescient.
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#128
#128
Rasputin_Vol said:
If it was released by someone in the UTAD, I would eliminate it coming from Hamilton just based on this quote...

I can't imagine Hamilton wanting to leak this and make himself look weak or wanting to highlight an instance where he is put in his place.

If I had to guess the source of this leak, I am putting my money on a guy that I think has been leaking information for at least 4 years. It would have to be someone that has had intimate knowledge of that program over the entire time that we've had 3 new coaches in football, knowledge of the Pearl and Kiffin allegations, and someone who would have access to all of the key players...

It's David Blackburn.
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Yep, my money's on him. :good!:
 
#129
#129
rickyyrs said:
Well Hamilton can show some stuff by hiring a great coach. Pay him what it takes. After all this crap he needs to make a big splash. Heck call Rick Pitino,all he can do is say yes or no.
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If by some miracle Rick Pitino became the HBC at Tennessee, I would absolutely crap my pants.
 
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#130
iuvol2012 said:
Using reason and rational thinking with University of Pearl supporters never works. They still think their hero introduced the game of basketball to UT and that it never existed before Pearl.
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How's this for reason and rational thinking? In the long and storied history of UT basketball, how many coaching records has Bruce set?

Another coach may come in and do as good or better, but to not recognize that BP has raised the bar above any of our coaching lineage is just ignoring facts.
 
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#131
UT IE 95 said:
How's this for reason and rational thinking? In the long and storied history of UT basketball, how many coaching records has Bruce set?

Another coach may come in and do as good or better, but to not recognize BP has surpassed our coaching lineage is just ignoring facts.
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No, it's not. Mears had a higher winning percentage and maintained it over 15 years.
 
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#132
LawVol13 said:
No, it's not. Mears had a higher winning percentage and maintained it over 15 years.
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While we're discussing winning percentages, a favorite topic of Fulmerites and Pearlophiles, Jerry Green also had a higher winning percentage than Pearl.
 
#133
#133
UT IE 95 said:
How's this for reason and rational thinking? In the long and storied history of UT basketball, how many coaching records has Bruce set?

Another coach may come in and do as good or better, but to not recognize that BP has raised the bar above any of our coaching lineage is just ignoring facts.
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Have you ever seen a coach you wouldn't fire? Delmonico? Buzz? Wade?
 
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#134
Sadly the downfall began with a character issue with a coach divorcing his wife and getting a young big boobed blond to take her place. Being a business owner I have seen my share of employees throwing their careers away over character.
 
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#137
GAVol said:
I don't know that it would be categorized as an out and out lie, but he clearly didn't tell compliance about it when it happened and there's evidence that the interaction was longer than he said it was.
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You don't really think Pearl would lie about a minor violation do you? :)
 
#139
#139
UT IE 95 said:
Good Lord. You can measure the success of the next coach against Mears while the rest of us will use Pearl as the measuring stick.
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Then, the "rest of you" don't operate in reality. To say that Pearl has far surpassed any other coach here simply isn't true.
 
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#140
LawVol13 said:
Then, the "rest of you" don't operate in reality. To say that Pearl has far surpassed any other coach here simply isn't true.
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Take your blinders off. You are absolutely wrong. He has.
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#143
What if we compare the next coach to the history of the programs level of basketball instead of one particular coaches tenure?
 
#144
#144
kw7pd4 said:
So was the scotus ruling based on NCAA being the voluntary governing body of the member schools ? Seems that would be a factor in how or whether the schools have much 'fight back' capability.
They essentially 'give' the NCAA power to rule them. aka GORT
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Basically. Here, check it out, it's a pretty readable opinion: NCAA V. TARKANIAN, 488 U. S. 179 :: Volume 488 :: 1988 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez

This is essentially the holding:
In final analysis, the question is whether "the conduct allegedly causing the deprivation of a federal right [can] be fairly attributable to the State." Lugar, 457 U.S. at 457 U. S. 937. It would be ironic indeed to conclude that the NCAA's imposition of sanctions against UNLV -- sanctions that UNLV and its counsel, including the Attorney General of Nevada, steadfastly opposed during protracted adversary proceedings -- is fairly attributable to the State of Nevada. It would be more appropriate to conclude that UNLV has conducted its athletic program under color of the policies adopted by the NCAA, rather than that those policies were developed and enforced under color of Nevada law.
The judgment of the Nevada Supreme Court is reversed, and the case is remanded to that court for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.
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But I also found it interesting that they relied on this type of rationale to get to their holding:
Contrary to the premise of the Nevada Supreme Court's opinion, the NCAA did not -- indeed, could not -- directly discipline Tarkanian or any other state university employee. [Footnote 18] The express
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terms of the Confidential Report did not demand the suspension unconditionally; rather, it requested "the University . . . to show cause" why the NCAA should not impose additional penalties if UNLV declines to suspend Tarkanian. App. 180. Even the university's vice-president acknowledged that the Report gave the University options, other than suspension: UNLV could have retained Tarkanian and risked additional sanctions, perhaps even expulsion from the NCAA, or it could have withdrawn voluntarily from the Association
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So the NCAA can't directly discipline a state employee, but it can tell the state itself that they need to discipline the state employee, with the only other option being to withdraw from the NCAA. I would go ahead and call that questionable. There was a dissenting opinion. I would have dissented if I were on the SCOTUS. Alas, I was not and am not.
 
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#145
kidbourbon said:
But I also found it interesting that they relied on this type of rationale to get to their holding:


So the NCAA can't directly discipline a state employee, but it can tell the state itself that they need to discipline the state employee, with the only other option being to withdraw from the NCAA. I would go ahead and call that questionable. There was a dissenting opinion. I would have dissented if I were on the SCOTUS. Alas, I was not and am not.
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Still seems like coercion does it not ?

So what happened to Tark ? He never coached again ?
 
#146
#146
UT IE 95 said:
Good Lord. You can measure the success of the next coach against Mears while the rest of us will use Pearl as the measuring stick.
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LawVol13 said:
Then, the "rest of you" don't operate in reality. To say that Pearl has far surpassed any other coach here simply isn't true.
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San Diego Vol said:
Take your blinders off. You are absolutely wrong. He has.
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The high watermark of Tennessee basketball, if you will, has always been being a Top 25-ish team that gets in the tournament regularly (or would have, in Mears's case, if they had at-large teams back then) but isn't much of a threat to do too much once they're in there. We got to the same basic level under Mears, under DeVoe, under Green, and again under Pearl. You can argue that we've been at a higher level under Pearl than anyone else because of the 48 hour stint at #1 a couple of years ago and the Elite Eight last year, but by and large, we're still talking about basically the same quality of program. Good, but never elite. It's not like Pearl has taken us into dramatically uncharted waters.
 
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#147
GAVol said:
I don't know that it would be categorized as an out and out lie, but he clearly didn't tell compliance about it when it happened and there's evidence that the interaction was longer than he said it was.
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He said he didn't know it was a violation. I don't know if he is lying, but he has little credibility at this point on the subject.
 
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#148
oklavol said:
He said he didn't know it was a violation. I don't know if he is lying, but he has little credibility at this point on the subject.
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If you had just been publicly shamed at a press conference for your NCAA violations and the lying you did about them, and then you inadvertently committed what you knew might be another one, wouldn't you be on the phone with compliance immediately afterwards to figure out if it was and what needed to be done about it? The one thing you can't do in that situation is just sit on it and pretend it didn't happen.
 
#149
#149
He claims he didn't know it was a violation. It's questionable, and he has no credibility now.
 
#150
#150
If so, what happened on March 1st that affected BP's status? Did the alleged "drug issue" happen before that? The last two games for which the Katz-reported player was suspended took place on 3/3 and 3/6.
 
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