Detailed background and story on this whole Pearl situation

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vol-un-tear said:
Nice post. My question is why is the staff ann Pearl getting buy outs? There is more than enoug "just cause" for termination.
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For them to fire Pearl for just cause, apparently they have to wait until the official NCAA ruling comes out... that won't happen until the summer. Far too late in the process to start looking for a new coach. I would have thought that they could fire him now and have something written about the buyout being dependent on the ruling in a few months, but I guess that would be too simple and no lawyer would advise his client to do that.
 
#103
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Unimane said:
As I have said many times, the bump is a garbage deal. If this is why Pearl isn't coach anymore, I will be highly pissed. It essentially played out as I thought. The NCAA got on its high horse about the two weeks recruiting and went looking for something to pin on Pearl. They "found" something in the rules that is fairly arbitrary and never applied, even debateable as to if Pearl violated the rule at all, then decided to nail him for it.
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That's crap, but it's typical of Pearl supporters. You want to blame everyone except the person who caused the problem. Also, EVERY coach knows this rule. Pearl knew it, and he ignored it. It's not the first time that he has purposely chosen to ignore NCAA rules and then LIED to try to cover up his rules violation, and that is why he will be gone soon.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I hope you're right. It's hard to believe the fate of a coach would boil down to whether a coach talked to a high school player for 30 seconds or for two minutes
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:banghead2:

You Pearl lovers just don't get it. It's not the violations themselves. It's the fact that your boy intentionally breaks the NCAA regulations and then LIES TO TRY TO COVER IT UP! You can't lie to the NCAA. Another regulatory body that doesn't appreciate lies - the IRS.
 
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elitedb said:
I agree the groundwork for what would be his ultimate termination probably started then if not earlier. But under the terms of his original contract, which he has not waived by signing the new offer placed before him, there has not been a finding made by the NCAA yet. It is that finding which is grounds for the school to send him a 60 day termination letter. That finding will not be made until after the committee on infraction hearing and ruling, and then if Pearl wished to appeal until the appeal is heard and a ruling made. All of this plus the 60 days to terminate called for in his contract puts the final disposition off till well after the next season starts; a terrible time to hire a new coach.

While the die is cast and Pearl will lose to the NCAA, under the terms of his contract he cannot be terminated for cause until that time. Thus he has leverage to negotiate with.

The courts have ruled on this issue for other coaches, notably O'brien at Ohio State. The courts have permitted coaches to collect in full for not following the letter of the contract before. So the school can fire him now and pay him off in full, wait to the final hearing and ruling by the NCAA to fire him and owe him nothing or they can work out a buyout which will satisfy everyone. I suspect the athletic dept will pay him something and the boosters will kick in some more and Pearl will leave for the good of the University and speak well of everyone and everything. No muss, no fuss everyone wins.
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That original contract was terminated for cause. Pearl doesn't have to sign anything to effect that termination. He is an at-will employee. They can let him go anytime they want.
 
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Vol423 said:
:banghead2:

You Pearl lovers just don't get it. It's not the violations themselves. It's the fact that your boy intentionally breaks the NCAA regulations and then LIES TO TRY TO COVER IT UP! You can't lie to the NCAA. Another regulatory body that doesn't appreciate lies - the IRS.
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I feel like sometime somebody's mother said something like, "If you mess up, tell the truth. Lying will only make it worse." or something like that.
 
#107
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Vol423 said:
That's crap, but it's typical of Pearl supporters. You want to blame everyone except the person who caused the problem. Also, EVERY coach knows this rule. Pearl knew it, and he ignored it. It's not the first time that he has purposely chosen to ignore NCAA rules, and that is why he will be gone soon.
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Actually, no I don't and, if you bother to read my posts on the matter you would know that I have said Pearl earned the firing through the previous actions in relation to the interview last summer.

However, what I am saying is that Pearl was in line to keep his job until this crap about the "bump" put the UT people in an impossible situation. Pearl didn't ignore a rule, he clearly thought that he hadn't violated it and with good reason. The rule allows for a bump, which is what happened with Adams. The NCAA chose to construe it as a violation because they are a-holes and needed to stick it to Pearl for the 2 weeks on the road before the recruiting ban began. I don't know why this point is so difficult to understand.

You should know what the hell you are talking about before throwing out the usual anti-Pearl banter here.
 
#108
#108
rickyyrs said:
Well Hamilton can show some stuff by hiring a great coach. Pay him what it takes. After all this crap he needs to make a big splash. Heck call Rick Pitino,all he can do is say yes or no.
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Please No. Pearl looks like a choir boy compared to that guy.
 
#109
#109
This post answered my question of how in the world NCAA found out about a brief encounter with a Junior. If Pearl is so out of touch that he couldn't imagine that the NCAA would be trailing every move he made after their encounter, then he really can't be trusted to use reasonable judgment and manage the responsibilities of running a major college program.

He's lucky to be getting walking money. Feel bad for his staff. I'm sure they don't have as much coin in the bank.
 
#110
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T.N. Buckingham said:
Good info. Released for two reasons:

1. To further justify the firing of a popular coach.

2. To try putting lipstick on the pig that is Hammy.

If you are going to keep Hamilton, then that lipstick is a necessity. Quality coaches don't tend to desire working for backstabbers. The perception out there is that Hamilton undermined Pearl's efforts during this tournament. That perception is given weight by the fact that Hamilton apologized twice to Pearl and his team for the comments.

The perception is going to be out there in the minds of the coaches we seek to hire. You've got to have something in response--especially if you retain Hamilton in spite of his weaknesses.
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I was thinking the same thing when I read through the OP's copy. This seems like an "unofficial" official account released by someone within the AD. It basically tells the story with a timeline and helps the unwashed masses (fans) sort out the reasons why the administration is going to have to do the dirty deed soon.

Makes Hammy look like "one of us", the NCAA look like the bad guys, and the BoT look like they are protecting their interests properly.

Definitely looks like a purposeful leak. Companies do it all the time to generate new product buzz. The AD looks to be doing it to soften the PR blow.

I wish they would do this on a weekly basis. It kills the garbage coming from KNS and ESPN. :) :good!:
 
#111
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Vol423 said:
That original contract was terminated for cause. Pearl doesn't have to sign anything to effect that termination. He is an at-will employee. They can let him go anytime they want.
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Just because the University says they tore up the contract for cause does not mean a Court would agree. The language in his contract which I have quoted above is quite specific, termination for cause is based upon a finding from the NCAA not based upon an allegation (even if admitted to) and there has been no finding yet.

Pearl gets a buyout because until the finding by the NCAA, Pearl's actions alone are not enough to terminate the contract. The language in the contract is quite specific and a Court will interpret the language as written despite what the school says or wishes. So unless Pearl agreed to the termination of his contract in writing he has a strong argument for enforcement of its provisions just like O'brien and other coaches before him.

In the future maybe UT changes the language used in all coaches contracts to permit termination upon receipt of a letter of allegations but I doubt that ever happens; what coach would ever agree to those terms?

There are many reasons coaches have attorneys negotiate their contracts, language affording them protection from termination without compensation being the prime reason. By the way Hamilton had attorneys negotiating the language of Pearl's contract as well, he did not do it himself.
 
#113
#113
Don't be stupid. Like anyone wanted this happen; nobody is happy about this.


this statement is simply not true...
Hat is going crazy happy doing things to himself and others over this...he could not be more happy that CBP is allegedly gone....as are a few other of his clan members:ermm:
 
#114
#114
Weezer said:
Interesting to note that even Hammy doubts his ability to hire a good coach, if he believes anyone else will be 8 steps back. And this is the man we entrust as our AD. Sad.
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Don't be stupid, Hamilton is merely trying to save his job by throwing out gloom and doom.
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#115
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oklavol said:
Yeah. Some of these NCAA rules, a coach cant speak to another player if he's at his school before practice? Can he wave at him or would that be against the rules too? What if he smiles at him?
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I don't think this bump issue is cut and dry. Bumping into a player is unplanned and brief - therefore it's a minor violation that's rarely reported. If the decision on the future of Pearl in the the NCAA comes down to the bump rule, i can easily see Pearl fighting this - as he should.
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livefaith said:
I was thinking the same thing when I read through the OP's copy. This seems like an "unofficial" official account released by someone within the AD. It basically tells the story with a timeline and helps the unwashed masses (fans) sort out the reasons why the administration is going to have to do the dirty deed soon.

Makes Hammy look like "one of us", the NCAA look like the bad guys, and the BoT look like they are protecting their interests properly.

Definitely looks like a purposeful leak. Companies do it all the time to generate new product buzz. The AD looks to be doing it to soften the PR blow.

I wish they would do this on a weekly basis. It kills the garbage coming from KNS and ESPN. :) :good!:
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If it was released by someone in the UTAD, I would eliminate it coming from Hamilton just based on this quote...

At some point late last week Hamilton was told to drop it and that their decision was not going to change (apparently he and Cheek had a brief heated exchange where Mike was reminded who the boss was).
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I can't imagine Hamilton wanting to leak this and make himself look weak or wanting to highlight an instance where he is put in his place.

If I had to guess the source of this leak, I am putting my money on a guy that I think has been leaking information for at least 4 years. It would have to be someone that has had intimate knowledge of that program over the entire time that we've had 3 new coaches in football, knowledge of the Pearl and Kiffin allegations, and someone who would have access to all of the key players...

It's David Blackburn.
 
#117
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UT IE 95 said:
I don't think this bump issue is cut and dry. Bumping into a player is unplanned and brief - therefore it's a minor violation that's rarely reported. If the decision on the future of Pearl in the the NCAA comes down to the bump rule, i can easily see Pearl fighting this - as he should.
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It was listed as a "major" violation.
 
#118
#118
VolDad said:
It was listed as a "major" violation.
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And that is what Pearl will fight as he should. In fact every coach in the country should fight bumping into a potential recruit being a major violation. It's plain stupid. If they essentially fire Pearl over a bump violation, which is what is said in the OP, it would be a sham.
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#119
#119
Rasputin_Vol said:
For them to fire Pearl for just cause, apparently they have to wait until the official NCAA ruling comes out... that won't happen until the summer. Far too late in the process to start looking for a new coach. I would have thought that they could fire him now and have something written about the buyout being dependent on the ruling in a few months, but I guess that would be too simple and no lawyer would advise his client to do that.
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I thought the findings have been already
revealed. We have till Sunmer to respond. I really thought the AA presented their case. Is this not the case?
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#121
#121
Vol423 said:
:banghead2:

You Pearl lovers just don't get it. It's not the violations themselves. It's the fact that your boy intentionally breaks the NCAA regulations and then LIES TO TRY TO COVER IT UP! You can't lie to the NCAA. Another regulatory body that doesn't appreciate lies - the IRS.
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The bump incident didn't involve lying to the NCAA.
 
#123
#123
Dang it, I missed the Hyams interview with Hamilton. What was the purpose of the interview? Did Hyams have some inside info he was asking about? What led Hamilton to say Pearl's future is in question? Is there a link to the interview?

Found the interview - NM.
 
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#124
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Velo Vol said:
The bump incident didn't involve lying to the NCAA.
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I don't know that it would be categorized as an out and out lie, but he clearly didn't tell compliance about it when it happened and there's evidence that the interaction was longer than he said it was.
 
#125
#125
Vol423 said:
:banghead2:

You Pearl lovers just don't get it. It's not the violations themselves. It's the fact that your boy intentionally breaks the NCAA regulations and then LIES TO TRY TO COVER IT UP! You can't lie to the NCAA. Another regulatory body that doesn't appreciate lies - the IRS.
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Using reason and rational thinking with University of Pearl supporters never works. They still think their hero introduced the game of basketball to UT and that it never existed before Pearl.
 
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