Did anyone watch Jon Stewart on Chris Wallace?

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Not true. He bangs on democrats for being either stupid or hypocrites. I think he mostly gets on to Obama for not really standing for anything. I don't think he makes any kind of political statement for the most part. In some cases he does and it's obvious why (i.e. the teacher's union because his mom's a teacher, or gay rights because he's a New Yorker). But those are the only two that really stand out to me.

I mark up the Jon Stewart hate to the "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude.
 
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milohimself said:
Ratings are, and in the event I'm in a mood to watch cable news, I try and give FNC at least 10-15 minutes every time. In general I find CNN to be center or slightly left of center, but my main complaint with them is that their overall programming quality sucks. Obvious exception for things like Spitzer's show. The liberal activist stuff you guys I'm sure have been noticing about MSNBC in recent years is a cheap rip-off of the same crap I've also noticed from FNC for years. FNC programming in general carries a very heightened sense of anger, and of conservative political activism. In a sense there's an extra component to FNC that's not present in CNN or the New York Times. People within all three organizations carry their own biases, but there are widely varying degrees of pro activeness.

Again, I did gain a measure of respect for Wallace for going as close as he was allowed to in saying Fox operates from a pro-conservative agenda.

Again, I don't prefer MSNBC or NYT, and I understand that most people out there would prefer the visual editorial style of Fox News which is what they bring.
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If we do apples to apples an compare NYT editorial pages to Fox editorial programs (O'Reilly, Hannity, Cavuto, etc) then they come out relatively evenly on advocacy.

If we do apples to apples on straight news reporting NYT to Fox they come out relatively even on bias.

It's when people evaluate Fox on Hannity and NYT on a straight news story that they see the advocacy vs bias.

Put another way, Wallace is no more an advocate for a position than a typical NYT writer or an anchor like Brian Williams.
 
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Weezy said:
Not true. He bangs on democrats for being either stupid or hypocrites. I think he mostly gets on to Obama for not really standing for anything. I don't think he makes any kind of political statement for the most part. In some cases he does and it's obvious why (i.e. the teacher's union because his mom's a teacher, or gay rights because he's a New Yorker). But those are the only two that really stand out to me.

I mark up the Jon Stewart hate to the "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude.
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Disagree on all most all points. He mocks positions that don't fit his world view (liberal primarily) and ignores those that do.

I don't hate him - I just find the relentless sameness of his comedy (see above) to be boring. The Onion is a better example of a satire outfit that can step outside of ideology to find humor in virtually any viewpoint.
 
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I have never been able to watch him. I love Colbert. Stewart is lame IMO. I also find his behavior on news programs to be unprofessional. It bugs me to no end when a friend tells me they basically watch his show for their news. It lets me know the country is truly doomed.
 
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milohimself said:
You're confusing agenda for bias, and he admitted it on that interview. Did either of you watch it?
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if your bias results in you clearly going after one side far more than another how is this not some sort of agenda? and frankly i don't for a second believe he doesn't do this intentionally.
 
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Weezy said:
Not true. He bangs on democrats for being either stupid or hypocrites. I think he mostly gets on to Obama for not really standing for anything. I don't think he makes any kind of political statement for the most part. In some cases he does and it's obvious why (i.e. the teacher's union because his mom's a teacher, or gay rights because he's a New Yorker). But those are the only two that really stand out to me.

I mark up the Jon Stewart hate to the "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude.
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you seriously don't see a political statement coming from stewart?
 
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Jon Stewart isn't anymore biased than the people at CNN or Fox News, it's just that he's a comedian so his role calls for him to be more open and honest than them. I watch news networks that lob softball questions to guys like Al Gore and they don't call him on his BS. Their bias is just as real, you just may not see it as clearly.
 
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You are missing the point. As a comedian he is allowed to be as biased as he wants. He doesn't pretend to be a newscaster, nor does he inlay his commentary within news so as to obfuscate the difference.

Fox has mastered the latter.

It's okay. It was only going to last awhile until everybody figured it out. The only people who watch Fox in order to find out what's going on in the world do so because they are already of that political persuasion. They aren't converting anyone to their way of thinking any more than MSNBC's Matthews or Maddow are.

There is an irony, however, that Fox has targeted Stewart as somehow mixing news and political commentary in the guise of comedy. For one thing, its hardly news. For another, ti is apparent that what makes the Fox people so unhappy is that Stewart loves to take them to task for their bias and they don't like being called out like that.
 
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nbakerld said:
Jon Stewart isn't anymore biased than the people at CNN or Fox News, it's just that he's a comedian so his role calls for him to be more open and honest than them. I watch news networks that lob softball questions to guys like Al Gore and they don't call him on his BS. Their bias is just as real, you just may not see it as clearly.
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Al gore won't let anyone ask him the obvious questions concerning his personal activities and finances and how they differ from his public persona. If you don't agree to lob softballs, you don't get him.
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IPorange said:
Al gore won't let anyone ask him the obvious questions concerning his personal activities and finances and how they differ from his public persona. If you don't agree to lob softballs, you don't get him.
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Exactly, he may be crazy - but he's smart enough to recognize a bad situation...err his agents are.
 
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IPorange said:
Al gore won't let anyone ask him the obvious questions concerning his personal activities and finances and how they differ from his public persona. If you don't agree to lob softballs, you don't get him.
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Have you seen Penn & Teller's Bull****? They did an episode on global warming and they basically said, "Global warming is likely real, and humans likely have an impact, but here are the people that stand to make $ millions over this issue." And of course Al Gore refused to interview. Here's how they broke down Gore's scheming.

YouTube - ‪The Truth About Al Gore‬‏
 
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I haven't, but I think your summary of what they said is accurate. Profiteering off of a slow-moving disaster is no different than price-gouging, hording, or looting IMO. And they confuse the actual issue.
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lawgator1 said:
You are missing the point. As a comedian he is allowed to be as biased as he wants. He doesn't pretend to be a newscaster, nor does he inlay his commentary within news so as to obfuscate the difference.

Fox has mastered the latter.

It's okay. It was only going to last awhile until everybody figured it out. The only people who watch Fox in order to find out what's going on in the world do so because they are already of that political persuasion. They aren't converting anyone to their way of thinking any more than MSNBC's Matthews or Maddow are.

There is an irony, however, that Fox has targeted Stewart as somehow mixing news and political commentary in the guise of comedy. For one thing, its hardly news. For another, ti is apparent that what makes the Fox people so unhappy is that Stewart loves to take them to task for their bias and they don't like being called out like that.
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hannity and beck claim to be newscasters? they are far more illectually honest than stewart who drives his agenda through humor rather than commentary, but then claims he's just trying to be funny.
 
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droski said:
hannity and beck claim to be newscasters? they are far more illectually honest than stewart who drives his agenda through humor rather than commentary, but then claims he's just trying to be funny.
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Wow, we just see the role of comedy very differently.
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IPorange said:
Wow, we just see the role of comedy very differently.
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i understand comedy is an excellent way to push an agenda. he's proven it. i have no problem with him pushing the agenda. just be honest about it and don't hide behind the comedy and make it seem like you are above it all.
 
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droski said:
hannity and beck claim to be newscasters? they are far more illectually honest than stewart who drives his agenda through humor rather than commentary, but then claims he's just trying to be funny.
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Hannity is one of the biggest offenders, IMO. The Southern Avenger catches him doing something underhanded monthly.

My favorite was when Hannity said Ron Paul supporters were voting multiple times and that's why he won their Fox poll after a presidential debate. The truth was you couldn't vote twice and Paul won in a legitimate landslide (though the poll may not be scientific). Hannity tries his damndest to dismiss him.
 
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droski said:
i understand comedy is an excellent way to push an agenda. he's proven it. i have no problem with him pushing the agenda. just be honest about it and don't hide behind the comedy and make it seem like you are above it all.
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I don't understand that. If you disagree with his political angle of a joke, you probably aren't going to be busting a gut when he delivers it. If you do find a joke funny, you probably already sympathized with his take.
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lawgator1 said:
You are missing the point. As a comedian he is allowed to be as biased as he wants. He doesn't pretend to be a newscaster, nor does he inlay his commentary within news so as to obfuscate the difference.

Fox has mastered the latter.

It's okay. It was only going to last awhile until everybody figured it out. The only people who watch Fox in order to find out what's going on in the world do so because they are already of that political persuasion. They aren't converting anyone to their way of thinking any more than MSNBC's Matthews or Maddow are.

There is an irony, however, that Fox has targeted Stewart as somehow mixing news and political commentary in the guise of comedy. For one thing, its hardly news. For another, ti is apparent that what makes the Fox people so unhappy is that Stewart loves to take them to task for their bias and they don't like being called out like that.
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As an independent I see it with different eyes. Fox, CNN, MSNBC,...they are all the same. Just different biases.

YouTube - ‪SA@Takimag - The Myth of Objective Journalism‬‏
 
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IPorange said:
I don't understand that. If you disagree with his political angle of a joke, you probably aren't going to be busting a gut when he delivers it. If you do find a joke funny, you probably already sympathized with his take.
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disagree. i find him very funny. i watch his show occasionally and almost always enjoy it. there are times i can't take the agenda though. his editing of republican commentary is absurd at times. he's also an economic idiot. but that doesn't mean he isn't fun to watch.
 
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I'm an economic idiot. Most Americans are. The most dangerous ones are the ones who don't realize it.
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IPorange said:
I'm an economic idiot. Most Americans are. The most dangerous ones are the ones who don't realize it.
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you don't have 10 mil americans every night (or whatever it is) listening to your political and economic, almost gibisian level, commentary and taking it as gospel. god forbid our youth get their economic theory from stewart (who seems to believe in the evil corporations being the source of all the world's problems), but sadly for a decent % taht is what is happening.
 
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droski said:
you don't have 10 mil americans every night (or whatever it is) listening to your political and economic, almost gibisian level, commentary and taking it as gospel. god forbid our youth get their economic theory from stewart (who seems to believe in the evil corporations being the source of all the world's problems), but sadly for a decent % taht is what is happening.
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They're getting that from all angles, either way.

Some good economic education they aren't getting from other angles:

Working Stiffed - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 09/20/10 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
 
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droski said:
disagree. i find him very funny. i watch his show occasionally and almost always enjoy it. there are times i can't take the agenda though. his editing of republican commentary is absurd at times. he's also an economic idiot. but that doesn't mean he isn't fun to watch.
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This - I wish it was more balanced and more disciplined because there is good humor there.

The editing thing was the last straw for me. They'd take commentary that really didn't occur and edit it to say something else then mock the position. Weak sauce - equivalent to a local morning radio jock IMO.

I also find the show relentlessly cynical. It's a half hour of self-satisfying "I'm smarter than...".

Finally, his ongoing feud with Fox shows he lets agenda drive his programming and his delivery is via comedy. How many times do you have to show clips from Fox to support your contention? Apparently almost every night.
 
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droski said:
hannity and beck claim to be newscasters? they are far more illectually honest than stewart who drives his agenda through humor rather than commentary, but then claims he's just trying to be funny.
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Hannity is not remotely in the same ballpark as Stewart when it comes to intellect. Wallace had Stewart on and it was a good interview, and I think O'Reilly could pull it off. But Hannity rarely if ever brings capable people with opposing viewpoints onto his show. His whole schtick is similar to the Coulter thing -- just blindly insist he's right, offer up little argument and only the occasionally correct fact -- and just bash and bash and bash.

Of the shows on Fox, his is by far the most simple-minded.

Beck had a built in audience of those prone to the conspiracy and mega theories. But that ran its course and his premises just got weirder and weirder, his rants harsher and harsher, and his blatant fixation on gouging dollars out of his audience through advertising and his shows. And they just had to get ride of him before it got too f'ed up.

Fox did themselves an enormous favor dumping him when they did because it surely would not have ended well.
 
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