Did CBJ take a worse job than CDD?

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SCvol333 said:
the hardest places to replace with young guys are QB, OL, and DL

DD inherited not 1 QB with any experience or time in program - he inherited 1 returning OL - he inherited virtually nothing of note at DL, especially DT

CBJ inherits 2 qb's with time in program, 1 with experience, and 1 that was very highly touted - his OL has 5 upperclassman that will start and first guy off bench will be upperclassman as well, at least 4 of these have a legitimate shot at the NFL - his DL is full of seniors, the 2 DT's both have very good shot to make NFL

this isnt even close guys
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This guy is right on the money
 
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SCvol333 said:
the hardest places to replace with young guys are QB, OL, and DL

DD inherited not 1 QB with any experience or time in program - he inherited 1 returning OL - he inherited virtually nothing of note at DL, especially DT

CBJ inherits 2 qb's with time in program, 1 with experience, and 1 that was very highly touted - his OL has 5 upperclassman that will start and first guy off bench will be upperclassman as well, at least 4 of these have a legitimate shot at the NFL - his DL is full of seniors, the 2 DT's both have very good shot to make NFL

this isnt even close guys
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Absolutely true. Dooley proved he could not coach. So it isn't about whether he should have been hired or fired. But he DOES leave the roster in better shape than he found it... and that's not saying there aren't big problems.

Now if you are talking about the current recruiting class then there is no question Dooley was left in better shape. Part of that is Dooley quitting somewhere in the season after figuring out he would not be the HC on NSD. The other part is the difference between a class built by a coach that everyone expected to return and one built by a coach that pretty much everyone knew was gone.
 
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SCvol333 said:
the hardest places to replace with young guys are QB, OL, and DL

DD inherited not 1 QB with any experience or time in program - he inherited 1 returning OL - he inherited virtually nothing of note at DL, especially DT

CBJ inherits 2 qb's with time in program, 1 with experience, and 1 that was very highly touted - his OL has 5 upperclassman that will start and first guy off bench will be upperclassman as well, at least 4 of these have a legitimate shot at the NFL - his DL is full of seniors, the 2 DT's both have very good shot to make NFL

this isnt even close guys
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This times 1,000
 
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Rudy123 said:
Kiffin had:

Luke Stocker, D. Moore, Crompton, Hardesty, Wes Brown, Ben Martin, Dan Williams, Faud Revez, Lathers, Berry, Jantzen Jackson, Rico McCoy. (Kiffin recruited Jantzen Jackson, so he was not a Fulmer hold over)
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Football games are won in the trenches, Dooley inherited the Sullins twins on O-line and nobody on the D-line, CBJ inherited a great O-line and pretty deep D-line, a 1qb with a little experience (unlike Dooley)....CBJ came into a better situation
 
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ManningBerry#1 said:
Not even close.
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Exactly

The oline was not good and the playmakers were very young when CDD took over. Couple that with the team changing hands twice in less than a year and its easy to know that CDD had a worse situation.

Truthfully its easy to see this if your smart enough to look. Too many just want to believe the sky is falling right now.

Our oline plus an upgade on defense from last year leaves this team in better shape IF the coaches are able to improve.
 
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely true. Dooley proved he could not coach. So it isn't about whether he should have been hired or fired. But he DOES leave the roster in better shape than he found it... and that's not saying there aren't big problems.

Now if you are talking about the current recruiting class then there is no question Dooley was left in better shape. Part of that is Dooley quitting somewhere in the season after figuring out he would not be the HC on NSD. The other part is the difference between a class built by a coach that everyone expected to return and one built by a coach that pretty much everyone knew was gone.
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i agree on the recruiting class but again these were different things - kiffin was recruiting like he was about to build a dynasty, was in no danger of being fired, and bounced last minute - everyone in the country knew DD was getting fired so he could have recruited all day long and it wouldnt have made any difference - he was at the put up or shut up stage and he shut up, nothing else he really could do
 
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I would think what Dooley inherited and Coach Jones is left with would be quite similar as far as talent is concerned.....not much there for either coach, compared with what the rest of the SEC is going to have
 
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i think jones inherited a worse situation.

when dooley took over, people understood the team had no talent

as the jones era begins, people believe the team has talent
 
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99gator said:
i think jones inherited a worse situation.

when dooley took over, people understood the team had no talent

as the jones era begins, people believe the team has talent
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It personally think we are between a 5-7 and 8-5 team. With that being said I wouldn't be surprised to see 7-6 next year and that would set us up well for 2014 depending on how your defense and oline look.
 
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I would have to say Butch is in better position to succeed in his first year or two then Dooley was. It all starts in the trenches. Our line is now made up of mostly upper class.
 
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When Dooley took over, people laughed at our program's misery.

Now, they almost pity our irrelevancy.

Which one is worse? I don't know.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
It personally think we are between a 5-7 and 8-5 team. With that being said I wouldn't be surprised to see 7-6 next year and that would set us up well for 2014 depending on how your defense and oline look.
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as long as people have that expectation for a couple of years, than dooley inherited a worse situation.

if not, i'd say jones did
 
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99gator said:
i think jones inherited a worse situation.

when dooley took over, people understood the team had no talent

as the jones era begins, people believe the team has talent
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You are correct. The problem is, this team doesn't have much talent. Our defense is terrible, we're starting a new QB and we lost our starting WR's.
Jones in no way, shape or form inherited a good team. Hell he didn't even inherit a descent team. What Jones inherited is a bad team with a lot of holes and a program that's at a historical low point. Anyone who argues different is just NOT being honest.
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I can't imagine anything worse than working for a megalomaniac like Jerry Jones. He's the reason the Boys & staff have under performed in the NFC.

At least CBJ has the opportunity to right the ship...with time and effort.

Go VOLS! Stoked about tomorrow:rock:
 
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SCvol333 said:
the hardest places to replace with young guys are QB, OL, and DL

DD inherited not 1 QB with any experience or time in program - he inherited 1 returning OL - he inherited virtually nothing of note at DL, especially DT

CBJ inherits 2 qb's with time in program, 1 with experience, and 1 that was very highly touted - his OL has 5 upperclassman that will start and first guy off bench will be upperclassman as well, at least 4 of these have a legitimate shot at the NFL - his DL is full of seniors, the 2 DT's both have very good shot to make NFL

this isnt even close guys
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this
 
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Rudy123 said:
Kiffin had:

Luke Stocker, D. Moore, Crompton, Hardesty, Wes Brown, Ben Martin, Dan Williams, Faud Revez, Lathers, Berry, Jantzen Jackson, Rico McCoy. (Kiffin recruited Jantzen Jackson, so he was not a Fulmer hold over)
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Vicariously through his kids......
 
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Dooley did not inherit a oline full of upperclassman . If i remember correctly we started a couple true freshman, Stone, James, and Fulton.
 
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volmonster12 said:
Dooley did not inherit a oline full of upperclassman . If i remember correctly we started a couple true freshman, Stone, James, and Fulton.
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He inherited NFL talent at WR, QB, RB, DB. Add that to Derek Deficients non recruiting and Jones has it much worse.
 
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Team wise Butch got the better end of the deal, Fulmer and Kiffin left us pretty bare. The Program however is in the worst shape it has ever been in, Dooley did more damage tobthe University in three years than the entire last decade of mediocre football.
 
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Dooley had it made compared to what BJ has to go through. Worst three-year stretch in the history of the program.
 
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CDD did rebuild roster back to 85 but CBJ appears to have more immediate impact on rebuilding our image and with him people are supporting the program 100% again and FOLKS REALLY BELIEVE TENNESSEE IS BECOMING AN ELITE PROGRAM AGAIN. CBJ and AD HART are both on same page and CBJ repaired relationships with former VOL players and with current HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ALREADY-- TWO IMPORTANT GROUPS. I ROOTED FOR CDD BUT IM IMPRESSED WITH CBJ- HE IS A WINNER!!
 
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coach Jones takes over a worse situation in that we have had 5 consecutive bad seasons whereas Coach Dooley had 2 bad seasons previously. We have no players with a tradition of winning and no winning tradition to sell recruits. The guys signing tomorrow were in the 7th grade when we last had a decent season. How much do any of you remember about what was going on when you were in the 7th grade.
 
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