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bamawriter said:
From what did they die?
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Cardiac related I think. All got jabbed a few days before death. On was a young MS basketball coach.

I also witnessed a nurse pass out the morning after her 2nd dose. Sorry for wanting long term data. But there are reasons why I think that is needed.
 
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From the PF:

DancingOutlaw said:
I fear even double masks wouldn't help. We know that the nature of baseball is an extremely physical in your face type of sport. Undoubtedly the virus could waft from the outfielders into the stands and potentially kill most spectators. They made the right call forcing NCST to forfeit, and honestly I think they should consider razing the stadium and covering it in Purel.
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Wish I could double like this post.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Cardiac related I think. All got jabbed a few days before death. On was a young MS basketball coach.
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3 in one small geographic region and age group would be a surprisingly high percentage of the post-vaccine cardiac deaths. Perhaps the heart wasn't the issue for all?
 
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bamawriter said:
3 in one small geographic region and age group would be a surprisingly high percentage of the post-vaccine cardiac deaths. Perhaps they the heart wasn't the issue for all?
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Perhaps. I wasn’t present for the autopsy. The doctor could have been pulmonary or cardiopulmonary. But that’s splitting hairs.
 
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Myself, my family, and most of coworkers are all vaccinated and living life maskless and with great peace of mind with this delta variant going around.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Political goal? What in the hell are you talking about? We are talking about a novel virus that started a global Pandemic which has killed millions in the World, over 600,00 in the US. I am amazed that we have accomplished as much to control it, despite the fact that so many people have refused to take advantage of the most effective vaccine ever created. One has to realize that we still have the opportunity to save lives and suffering if more people would take the vaccine. Those who refuse are the ones will end up suffering the most.
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Oh, so you agree with my points about the uncertainty of future health risks?

You agree with my point about most health risks are personal choices.

But you don’t understand the political position? Sorry, I can’t help you.
 
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NEO said:
There are documented cases everywhere where vaccinated people are getting it again.
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I'm not disputing that. But 4 young guys on one team? That is way outside the range of what one would expect.

Not saying it couldn't happen. But it seems really weird that the NCAA was fine with the first unvaxxed guy sitting out after his positive test and letting the rest of the guys play a game with no further testing. And then it appeared the second unvaxxed guy popped a false positive, as he cleared the next two tests. Then all of a sudden they decide to test everyone including the guys that were supposed to have been vaxxed? This all happens, and no one from NC State is pitching a massive fit about it?

I have no insight into this situation at all. I don't even pay attention to baseball. And this is the NCAA, so lord knows that they need no justification for pulling nonsensical crap. But something seems off about this.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Interesting that we never hear about folks that died after getting the vaccine. There are 3 that I know of in West TN that were under 40 with no noted health issues. One was a doctor.

Placing the vaccine on a pedestal without long term data is irresponsible and quite frankly stupid. Folks that should know better have succumbed to the fear.
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The CDC answer is “we can’t definitely say they died from the vaccine” but they could say someone treated for COPD or cancer died of Covid. Lying bastards.
 
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wmcovol said:
Oh, so you agree with my points about the uncertainty of future health risks?

You agree with my point about most health risks are personal choices.

But you don’t understand the political position? Sorry, I can’t help you.
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I don't need or want your help. It is my profession and I am up to date.
 
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Some of the most duped folks are in healthcare as it relates to this. They think the CDC and Fauci are infallible. They also abandoned some basic training during all this panic.

If we ran around in years past testing for the flu, sars, and anything else like we did this Covid-19 we would see the same panic.

I have literally seen doctors driving walking around outside alone in masks. This panic has made intelligent folks dumb.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I don't need or want your help. It is my profession and I am up to date.
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Weak ass answer. You can’t deny that 80% of the Heath conditions today are lifestyle related and that there is no guarantee that these vaccines won’t have numerous side effects later.
 
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wmcovol said:
Weak ass answer. You can’t deny that 80% of the Heath conditions today are lifestyle related and that there is no guarantee that these vaccines won’t have numerous side effects later.
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You can say the same thing about the virus itself. For me, with the long term unknown, I go with what's best in the near term.
 
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bamawriter said:
You can say the same thing about the virus itself. For me, with the long term unknown, I go with what's best in the near term.
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The virus is 98% survivable. Vaccine with no long term data is questionable. Like I said earlier, this virus has made people do dumb things.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
The virus is 98% survivable. Vaccine with no long term data is questionable. Like I said earlier, this virus has made people do dumb things.
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What data do we have at hand that the complications from the vaccine are worse than those of the virus? And it's really important to remember that the virus is not 98% survivable for certain demographics. Would you recommend against the vaccine to a 60+ year old loved one?
 
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bamawriter said:
What data do we have at hand that the complications from the vaccine are worse than those of the virus? And it's really important to remember that the virus is not 98% survivable for certain demographics. Would you recommend against the vaccine to a 60+ year old loved one?
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My dad is 75. Cancer survivor. He got it and I supported his decision.

The idiocy is right there in what you said. Why vaccinate demographics that are not at risk with a vaccine that has no long term data. Like I said earlier the panic has made folks do dumb things.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
My dad is 75. Cancer survivor. He got it and I supported his decision.

The idiocy is right there in what you said. Why vaccinate demographics that are not at risk with a vaccine that has no long term data. Like I said earlier the panic has made folks do dumb things.
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To answer your question: the vaccines greatly reduce transmission. To the extent that it helps herd immunity and protects at-risk folks, I'm good with it.

But, to your point: young kids seem all but immune to serious symptoms and rarely transmit. Both of my kids are under 12 and they won't be getting vaccinated if and when it becomes available to them. There's no point. It's not that I'm worried about complications, but why vaccinate against something they're extremely unlikely to get or pass on?
 
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bamawriter said:
To answer your question: the vaccines greatly reduce transmission. To the extent that it helps herd immunity and protects at-risk folks, I'm good with it.

But, to your point: young kids seem all but immune to serious symptoms and rarely transmit. Both of my kids are under 12 and they won't be getting vaccinated if and when it becomes available to them. There's no point. It's not that I'm worried about complications, but why vaccinate against something they're extremely unlikely to get or pass on?
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I think we agree on a lot of points. NC State would be playing if common sense prevailed. The players are in the demographics that do not need to vaccinate.
 
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VOLnVANDYland said:
The FDA gave Moderna, Pfizer, and JJ EUAs. The scientific rigor and burden of proof that is required to obtain an EUA is heavy. Not sure what your point is but to spread misinformation...
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EUA is not FDA approval. Misinformation? Yeah, I'm the one spreading it. Just eat your bread and watch the circus. We all know the government would NEVER do anything to harm its own citizens for experimentation. I am 100% positive the good folks of Tuskegee would agree.
 
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