Did Joe Biden Win the 2020 Presidential Election?

[MontyPython]

Did Joe Biden Win the 2020 Presidential Election?

 

[davethevol]

He had the most votes, so yes? Were those mail in votes legit? Anyone that is for free and fair elections should demand a photo ID, and the voters should be required to be in person unless they are out of the country with the military or official government work. That’s it.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I voted yes, but I think Trump lost the election more than Biden actually won it.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Did Joe Biden Win the 2020 Presidential Election?

By hook or by crook….. he’s drooling and stammering in the Oval Office…. Hard to say he “lost”

 

[utvolpj]

What a timely poll

 

[MontyPython]

What a timely poll

Per Pew polls, roughly 66% of Republicans still believe Trump won the election. This has an obvious impact on current politics and a potential run by Trump in 2024.

I'm comforted though by the fact that not a single Republican here wants to admit they think Trump won. Makes me feel pretty confident that - if push came to shove - they won't actually support him a 3rd time.

Honestly, I hope the GOP finds a good alternative to the Democrats in 2024. I'd listen.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Per Pew polls, roughly 66% of Republicans still believe Trump won the election. This has an obvious impact on current politics and a potential run by Trump in 2024.

I'm comforted though by the fact that not a single Republican here wants to admit they think Trump won. Makes me feel pretty confident that - if push came to shove - they won't actually support him a 3rd time.

Honestly, I hope the GOP finds a good alternative to the Democrats in 2024. I'd listen.

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The Democrats stole that last election like nobody's business.

 

[utvolpj]

The Democrats stole that last election like nobody's business.

The GOP threw it

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The GOP threw it

That's likely true in Georgia.

 

[Vol8188]

Per Pew polls, roughly 66% of Republicans still believe Trump won the election. This has an obvious impact on current politics and a potential run by Trump in 2024.

I'm comforted though by the fact that not a single Republican here wants to admit they think Trump won. Makes me feel pretty confident that - if push came to shove - they won't actually support him a 3rd time.

Honestly, I hope the GOP finds a good alternative to the Democrats in 2024. I'd listen.

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Can you provide the link for the poll showing 66% of republicans believe trump won?

 

[MontyPython]

The Democrats stole that last election like nobody's business.

Heh.

Here are some examples of the repudiation of Trump's false claims by state and federal officials.

FEDERAL AGENCIES

The top U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies have concluded that there was no widespread voter fraud in the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election. Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr, the nation's top law enforcement official under Trump, said on Dec. 1, 2020, that he had not seen any evidence of fraud that would have changed the election results.

"If there was evidence of fraud, I had no motive to suppress it," Barr told Karl. "But my suspicion all the way along was that there was nothing there. It was all ********."

The 2020 presidential election was the most secure in American history, according to a statement issued by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, on Nov. 12, 2020.

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised," the statement read.

COURT CASES

State and federal judges dismissed more than 50 lawsuits brought by Trump and his allies challenging the election. Several judges, including Trump appointees, noted a lack of evidence of fraudulently cast votes.

U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, a conservative jurist in Pennsylvania, issued a decision on Nov. 21, 2020, that dismissed the Trump campaign's effort to block the certification of Biden's victory in the key election battleground state.

"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption," Brann wrote. "Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations."

Of one of the assertions made by Trump campaign, Brann wrote: "This claim, like Frankenstein's Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together."

A Trump appointee in Milwaukee, U.S. District Judge Brett Ludwig, similarly rebuked a Trump campaign lawsuit contesting the election results in that state.

Unlike other judges who dismissed cases on procedural grounds, Ludwig provided the Trump campaign with a day-long hearing to consider evidence that Wisconsin's election rules were violated. Ludwig found that evidence woefully lacking.

"This court has allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits," Ludwig wrote.

STATE AUDITS

In Georgia, an election battleground state won narrowly by Biden, a post-election audit was conducted by Brad Raffensperger, a Republican who was the state's top election official.

"The audit confirmed that the original machine count accurately portrayed the winner of the election," Raffensperger's office said on Nov. 19, 2020.

In Arizona, a review of results by Trump allies in its most populous county reaffirmed Biden's victory in the crucial state.

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican who paved the way for the "full forensic audit" of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said in September that the review's overall vote tally matched the initial results in November.

THE RIOT

Federal judges have similarly criticized Trump and Republican lawmakers for seeking to downplay the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"I'm especially troubled by the accounts of some members of Congress that Jan. 6 was just a day of tourists walking through the Capitol," U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth said during a June court hearing. "I don't know what planet these people are on."

"The rioters were not mere protesters," Beryl Howell, the chief judge of the federal district court in Washington, said in October, adding that on the day of the riot there was "shocking criminal conduct that represented a grave threat to our democratic norms."

According to the Justice Department, about 140 police officers were injured while defending the Capitol. Federal prosecutors have charged more than 725 people with various crimes arising from the Capitol riot. Of those arrested, 225 people were charged with assault or resisting arrest. More than 75 of those were charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon against police officers.

 

[Velo Vol]

Up next: "Did man land on the moon?"

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Me thinks some right leaners are answering no as democrat. Don't wanna look like loon, huh. It's ok. We know who you are.

 

[davethevol]

Per Pew polls, roughly 66% of Republicans still believe Trump won the election. This has an obvious impact on current politics and a potential run by Trump in 2024.

I'm comforted though by the fact that not a single Republican here wants to admit they think Trump won. Makes me feel pretty confident that - if push came to shove - they won't actually support him a 3rd time.

Honestly, I hope the GOP finds a good alternative to the Democrats in 2024. I'd listen.

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I think the election wasn’t a fair and honest election. That’s a real problem for America going forward. The only way to fix that is to require photo ID’s in person with no mail in ballots.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I think the election wasn’t a fair and honest election. That’s a real problem for America going forward. The only way to fix that is to require photo ID’s in person with no mail in ballots.

Why was it not fair and honest? You seem to be avoiding saying there was fraud, but say it wasn't honest. How do the two differ?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I think the election wasn’t a fair and honest election. That’s a real problem for America going forward. The only way to fix that is to require photo ID’s in person with no mail in ballots.

How about counting all of the votes within a reasonable amount of time? The overwhelming majority of states had their votes counted by midnight. These other dubious states were still counting 3 and 4 days later. That isn't suspicious at all.

 

[utvolpj]

Why was it not fair and honest? You seem to be avoiding saying there was fraud, but say it wasn't honest. How do the two differ?

The short timeframe mail in ballots for every voter are a recipe for disaster in a free and fair election. Now, the GOP missed a huge opportunity to embrace them rather than demonize

 

[C-south]

I didn’t vote (in this poll) but without the mail in debacle dementia Joe would be in a home right now.

 

[hog88]

It doesn't matter.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

How about counting all of the votes within a reasonable amount of time? The overwhelming majority of states had their votes counted by midnight. These other dubious states were still counting 3 and 4 days later. That isn't suspicious at all.

Do you understand the election laws?

Mail in votes take longer because they are handled by hand, as opposed to going into a machine. Some states also do not allow them even to be opened prior to election day. The logic is that they don't want them to have any influence on the election. So they are not opened until election day and then have to be opened by hand, signatures verified and flattened for the machine tabulation. This takes time.

 

[C-south]

Do you understand the election laws?

Mail in votes take longer because they are handled by hand, as opposed to going into a machine. Some states also do not allow them even to be opened prior to election day. The logic is that they don't want them to have any influence on the election. So they are not opened until election day and then have to be opened by hand, signatures verified and flattened for the machine tabulation. This takes time.

Then mail in votes need to be done away with.

 

[newyorkvol]

Why was it not fair and honest? You seem to be avoiding saying there was fraud, but say it wasn't honest. How do the two differ?

I do think there’s room for an election to be unfair without having proof of fraud. If someone was actually looking to tip the balance of an election, the first thing they would do would be consult election laws and find the loopholes in what would be defined as actual fraud. Then devise a system that works within the loopholes.

There’s a Netflix film called Icarus about blood doping in cycling. The premise is that the biggest providers of doping routines were actually the scientists that worked for the anti-doping agencies and made the rules and testing protocols. Then they worked around those parameters to develop doping routines for cyclists.

I certainly think there are parallels that can be drawn.

 

[EasternVol]

Then mail in votes need to be done away with.

How about folks that live overseas?

 

[AirVol]

Then mail in votes need to be done away with.

Can’t stand in line to vote, but by God you will for a bogus Covid test.

 

[GVF]

Ok. Here's a caveat. "US Intelligence," i.e., FBI, CIA, etc., were debunking fraud claims. Anyone claiming that proves there was no fraud is just as cynical as anyone that claims there was fraud. US Intelligence. That's funny right there.