Did you like Pres. Bush or not?

was pres bush a good president?


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#51
#51
I find it terribly ironic that a poster named Vols Inc. with the word CEO in his avatar thinks bottom up economics is valid and disagreeing with the entire premise is simply an opinion. Further, the poster suggests that the farce of a stimulus package was in anyway sound economic policy aimed at job creation.

As to the original question, Bush was not a good president. Obama is neck and neck with him for who's worse.
 
#52
#52
First up, the poll: I think Bush's first term was much better than his second. He was horrid on the domestic front, with way way too many very fiscally irresponsible policies to list here. I liked that he did not care what the rest of the world thought of his actions. However, I think *how* he handled the war on terror was very inefficient and they spun their wheels a lot. I think they could have handled the situation much better than putting all their cards into the WMD basket. I still liked him in '04, but by '05 I saw him as the fiscal liberal, very right in foreign policy, and frankly I think he used the social stuff as nothing more than a diversion to his recklessness everywhere else. Actually that last thing could be said about almost all Republicans. Hey lets bash gays and abortions and keep their eyes off the rest of our glaring problems.

As far as economies go. The one thing the people who glom onto the class warfare tripe have got to understand is this. When you tax the hell out of the "rich" especially corporations, you are in essance taxing the common guy. If a company gets taxes raised 15%, do you really honestly think they eat that cost? No, they just raise their prices 15% thus making everyone's cost of living sky rocket that much more. Except for the folks on welfare, they just get a bump to their entitlements, thus raising our taxes on that front. So, in the end, yet again, the middle class gets screwed.
 
#54
#54
I like how the OP didn't want to start a political debate, but continued on to do just that.

My thoughts:

- UHC will be disasterous

- I don't think tax cuts are the answer to everything

- I think GWB was a monumental failure fiscally, domestically, and to a certain degree on foreign policy

- I still think it is too early to start judging Obama, but it certainly isn't looking good for him

- Any president without an opposition congress is doomed to fail...see GWB and Obama
 
#55
#55
I like how the OP didn't want to start a political debate, but continued on to do just that.

My thoughts:

- UHC will be disasterous

- I don't think tax cuts are the answer to everything

- I think GWB was a monumental failure fiscally, domestically, and to a certain degree on foreign policy

- I still think it is too early to start judging Obama, but it certainly isn't looking good for him

- Any president without an opposition congress is doomed to fail...see GWB and Obama

Yea i should have known better than posting in such a right wing state that tennessee is. You made alot points though and i think at least on those issues we agree. More of a in the middle type of thinking. Alot of the people on here even the republicans make good points.However some of the posters just remind me of the old redenecks born and breed in the backwoods that i used to work with, and don't try to make educated statements.(Not saying if you were born in breed in the backwoods that you are stupid, but im sure you know some of theses idiots.) Same guys that used to say the titans should pull mcnair and put odonnell or volek in the game even when he was winning the MVP and going to probowls. I just get the feeling some people liked bush and hate obama not because of the politics and issues, but because of a thier facial tissue.
 
#56
#56
Yea i should have known better than posting in such a right wing state that tennessee is. You made alot points though and i think at least on those issues we agree. More of a in the middle type of thinking. Alot of the people on here even the republicans make good points.However some of the posters just remind me of the old redenecks born and breed in the backwoods that i used to work with, and don't try to make educated statements.(Not saying if you were born in breed in the backwoods that you are stupid, but im sure you know some of theses idiots.) Same guys that used to say the titans should pull mcnair and put odonnell or volek in the game even when he was winning the MVP and going to probowls. I just get the feeling some people liked bush and hate obama not because of the politics and issues, but because of a thier facial tissue.

for an open-minded liberal you sure do paint with a wide brush.

don't like Obama = backwoods, racist redneck? :disappointed:
 
#58
#58
Yea i should have known better than posting in such a right wing state that tennessee is. You made alot points though and i think at least on those issues we agree. More of a in the middle type of thinking. Alot of the people on here even the republicans make good points.However some of the posters just remind me of the old redenecks born and breed in the backwoods that i used to work with, and don't try to make educated statements.(Not saying if you were born in breed in the backwoods that you are stupid, but im sure you know some of theses idiots.) Same guys that used to say the titans should pull mcnair and put odonnell or volek in the game even when he was winning the MVP and going to probowls. I just get the feeling some people liked bush and hate obama not because of the politics and issues, but because of a thier facial tissue.


Does anyone else have trouble following this?
 
#59
#59
Bush's best moments were in bringing the country together immediately after 9/11. He did very well with that, IMO.

The other 7.95 years were just a bunch of crap.
 
#60
#60
Does anyone else have trouble following this?

All these conservatives on this site are backwoods, uneducated rednecks. I can't really come up with an analogy, so I'll make some odd ad I'll fitting comment about the Titans and their fans.

That help?
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#61
#61
Bush's best moments were in bringing the country together immediately after 9/11. He did very well with that, IMO.

The other 7.95 years were just a bunch of crap.

I thought you would agree with his prescription drug mess. It was very "Obama-like".
 
#63
#63
All these conservatives on this site are backwoods, uneducated rednecks. I can't really come up with an analogy, so I'll make some odd ad I'll fitting comment about the Titans and their fans.

That help?
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I could've swore there was a racism remark in there somewhere. I don't know, maybe that comes with being a redneck.

:dunno:
 
#65
#65
I just get the feeling some people liked bush and hate obama not because of the politics and issues, but because of a thier facial tissue.

:no:

Such enlightenment and respect for differing viewpoints. This helps me make sense of your other posts - thanks.
 
#66
#66
Yea i should have known better than posting in such a right wing state that tennessee is. You made alot points though and i think at least on those issues we agree. More of a in the middle type of thinking. Alot of the people on here even the republicans make good points.However some of the posters just remind me of the old redenecks born and breed in the backwoods that i used to work with, and don't try to make educated statements.(Not saying if you were born in breed in the backwoods that you are stupid, but im sure you know some of theses idiots.) Same guys that used to say the titans should pull mcnair and put odonnell or volek in the game even when he was winning the MVP and going to probowls. I just get the feeling some people liked bush and hate obama not because of the politics and issues, but because of a thier facial tissue.

This post and the one about the 9/11 conspiracy are legendary.
 
#67
#67
I think we was good, not great. I really liked his foreign policy and socially conservative values. I hated his fiscal policies (except the tax cuts) and his acceptance of illegal immigration.


His refusal to do anything about illegal immigration was the issue that really made me not like him.
 
#68
#68
Yea i should have known better than posting in such a right wing state that tennessee is. You made alot points though and i think at least on those issues we agree. More of a in the middle type of thinking. Alot of the people on here even the republicans make good points.However some of the posters just remind me of the old redenecks born and breed in the backwoods that i used to work with, and don't try to make educated statements.(Not saying if you were born in breed in the backwoods that you are stupid, but im sure you know some of theses idiots.) Same guys that used to say the titans should pull mcnair and put odonnell or volek in the game even when he was winning the MVP and going to probowls. I just get the feeling some people liked bush and hate obama not because of the politics and issues, but because of a thier facial tissue.

What the hell are you talking about? Facial tissue?
I assume you are referring to Obama's race.

Would you support Alan Keys? He is a little too far right for me but I would take him over same reps and most dems.

You want to compare education street cred?
You seem very confused.
 
#69
#69
All these conservatives on this site are backwoods, uneducated rednecks. I can't really come up with an analogy, so I'll make some odd ad I'll fitting comment about the Titans and their fans.

That help?
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Yeah please copy and paste where i made that statement. And even if you think i implied it i certainly didn't say all. And if you think that their aren't people that don't like obama because he is black than i guess you aren't as smart as i thought you were from what i gathered from some of the good points you made from previous post. The titans analogy was fitting because those fans had no problem with Eddie George or any of the other black people on the team. But the thought of having a black leader killed them. Look guys i am white far from a racist, born and breed in the south and proud of that. Truth be known i think that our government and the way it is operated is horrible. Doesn't matter whose running it. The politicians for the last 50 years have made decisions affecting America not on what the public wants or what's best for the country but rather whose putting the most money towards their campaign and re-election fund. That is evident by the millions and millions of dollars spent on these campaigns and yes i know obama spent more than anyone, as i stated before the guy like to spend money.But answer me this if Bush wasn't a horrible president then why for the first time in history was a black man, or a woman going to be president? It didn't matter who the republican party produced as their candidate. America was so sick and tired of bush they went to unprecedented grounds when choosing a leader and the democrats knew that they would. They knew if they tried to push for anyone that looked, talked, walked , or even acted like bush that it would be a close race.So they went in another direction. Obama won the election approximately 60-40 if Hilary would have beat out obama i have a feeling that ratio would be even higher.You can think i am a liberal or I'm out of my mind but FACE facts 60%of this country was tired of Republicans and thier way of thinking and were willing to Vote for any Democrat that the party produced because of the last 8 years.
 
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#70
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I find it terribly ironic that a poster named Vols Inc. with the word CEO in his avatar thinks bottom up economics is valid and disagreeing with the entire premise is simply an opinion. Further, the poster suggests that the farce of a stimulus package was in anyway sound economic policy aimed at job creation.

As to the original question, Bush was not a good president. Obama is neck and neck with him for who's worse.


He may own his own one man lawn care service.
You never know with these forums. I might be Lane Kiffin right now!
 
#71
#71
The normal falsehoods always told by the left. First of all corporations should not be taxed at all, they are not people. If you cut or eliminate taxes on businesses the companies will hire employees and/or give raises to employees. First of all I am not rich, I am middle class. But if the rich have more money it helps us all. They buy houses, boats, clothes, go out to eat. These actions alone help keep the people employeed. Has a poor person ever created a single job?

I have tried and tried, in 1+1=2 language to explain free market economics to some people. In the end they are going to believe what they want to.

Some people believe that TV evangelist are the real thing.
Some people think people were around the same time as dinosaurs.

Sometimes people believe what they want. no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary
 
#73
#73
Obama won the election approximately 70-30 if Hilary would have beat out obama i have a feeling that ratio would be even higher.You can think i am a liberal or I'm out of my mind but FACE facts 70%of this country was tired of Republicans and thier way of thinking and were willing to Vote for any Democrat that the party produced because of the last 8 years.

70-30? How you figure that one?
 
#75
#75
70-30? How you figure that one?

sorry, your right it was closer to 60-40. To beat mcCain and win the popular vote by 10 million with the lack of experience he had and the fact that we were going to change parties while their was still a war going on was surprising.
 

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