Diego Pavia granted another year of eligibility

[jsc1973]

The whole state of Alabama is in tears. Their bogeyman isn't going away!

 

[Orangecrush#27]

Vandy QB Pavia granted injunction, can play in '25

A federal judge in Tennessee granted an injunction Wednesday that allows Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia to pursue another year of eligibility and could represent another significant blow to the NCAA's ability to enforce its own rules.

www.espn.com

Sounds like he wants some money too!

Another can of worms opened. Look at all the potential players that can do the same thing now smh .

 

[Orangecrush#27]

I still have trouble wrapping my mind around the mentality of the NCAA. I don't see how they didn't see this coming. Their unwillingness to be reasonable has opened the door for players to challenge any and every rule they come up with. Any judge in America now has a precedent to overturn anything that they deem unfair now. They have really dug their own grave.

Yup. If they would’ve quit hoarding all the money, they could’ve set up parameters 10 years ago and we wouldn’t have these issues now.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

This decision kind of makes it sound like you could play college ball forever.

No, it doesn't. It simply means that non NCAA junior college ball doesn't count against NCAA eligibility. Pavia only got one more year.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yup. If they would’ve quit hoarding all the money, they could’ve set up parameters 10 years ago and we wouldn’t have these issues now.

I'm not sure what you expected the NCAA to do.

As soon as they were forced to allow NIL, within a week Bryce Young was a millionaire. They legally couldn't control what collectives paid players from Day 1.

As soon as they legally lost concerning transfers sitting out, the portal became crazy and they lost legally again on multiple transfers.

What the NCAA did was:
fight to keep big TV money out of college sports...... and lost in court.
fight to keep NIL payments from happening for athletes...... and lost in court.
fight to keep players sitting out a year after transfers..... and lost in court.
fight to keep players from transferring multiple times...... and lost in court.

The entire business model isn't legal. As soon as everything the NCAA did for years is challenged in court, it's declared illegal. They couldn't "meet halfway" with students because they legally CANNOT control NIL and transfers.

I'm unsure what choices people think the NCAA had. "Well, they should have done something...."

They did. And they lost in court repeatedly.

 

[LouderVol]

I'm not sure what you expected the NCAA to do.

As soon as they were forced to allow NIL, within a week Bryce Young was a millionaire. They legally couldn't control what collectives paid players from Day 1.

As soon as they legally lost concerning transfers sitting out, the portal became crazy and they lost legally again on multiple transfers.

What the NCAA did was:
fight to keep big TV money out of college sports...... and lost in court.
fight to keep NIL payments from happening for athletes...... and lost in court.
fight to keep players sitting out a year after transfers..... and lost in court.
fight to keep players from transferring multiple times...... and lost in court.

The entire business model isn't legal. As soon as everything the NCAA did for years is challenged in court, it's declared illegal. They couldn't "meet halfway" with students because they legally CANNOT control NIL and transfers.

I'm unsure what choices people think the NCAA had. "Well, they should have done something...."

They did. And they lost in court repeatedly.

they didn't fight to keep TV money out of college sports. they fought to control the TV deals instead of the individual schools or conferences.

they have lost continuously because they tried to control the money while they themselves profited. its impossible to argue its an amateur sport when those in charge make so much money. if the NCAA had operated differently they might have won in court.

they could have acted before any of those court cases were decided, and chosen a different route that would have avoided the issue. The NCAA ran as a roadblock the entire way. never once worked with the schools or players until they were forced to.

if they worked to find some middle ground its likely that many of those cases never even make it to court. they made themselves brittle instead of learning to flex.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

they didn't fight to keep TV money out of college sports. they fought to control the TV deals instead of the individual schools or conferences.

they have lost continuously because they tried to control the money while they themselves profited. its impossible to argue its an amateur sport when those in charge make so much money. if the NCAA had operated differently they might have won in court.

they could have acted before any of those court cases were decided, and chosen a different route that would have avoided the issue. The NCAA ran as a roadblock the entire way. never once worked with the schools or players until they were forced to.

if they worked to find some middle ground its likely that many of those cases never even make it to court. they made themselves brittle instead of learning to flex.

There's no middle ground when the courts tell you: it's illegal for you to control TV contracts.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: it's illegal for you to control NIL payments to players.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: you can't control or penalize a player no matter how many times they transfer.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: your control over eligibility is limited, at best, to the schools you control AND you cannot interfere with the player's right to collect NIL benefits by continuing to play.

It's complete BS to say "They could have met halfway....." because EVERY SINGLE TIME THE NCAA COMPROMISED with NIL rules, transfer rules, eligibility rules, etc they get sued to have their power stripped.

Show me a "halfway" or "compromise" plan that won't get sued out of existence for NIL control or transfer control. Just show me how it works.

 

[LouderVol]

There's no middle ground when the courts tell you: it's illegal for you to control TV contracts.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: it's illegal for you to control NIL payments to players.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: you can't control or penalize a player no matter how many times they transfer.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: your control over eligibility is limited, at best, to the schools you control AND you cannot interfere with the player's right to collect NIL benefits by continuing to play.

It's complete BS to say "They could have met halfway....." because EVERY SINGLE TIME THE NCAA COMPROMISED with NIL rules, transfer rules, eligibility rules, etc they get sued to have their power stripped.

Show me a "halfway" or "compromise" plan that won't get sued out of existence for NIL control or transfer control. Just show me how it works.

you completely ignored what I said.

there is no middle ground AFTER the courts.

but before the courts got involved? Plenty of middle ground was available before hand.

why do you think they ended up in court? its because the NCAA refused to move to any type of middle.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

you completely ignored what I said.

there is no middle ground AFTER the courts.

but before the courts got involved? Plenty of middle ground was available before hand.

why do you think they ended up in court? its because the NCAA refused to move to any type of middle.

You don't understand what something being declared an Antitrust Violation means? It's illegal. It's not "let's negotiate and maybe we can get you happy if we only barely break the law."

They were being sued NOT because they wouldn't negotiate but because things like NIL control and transfer control ARE ILLEGAL.

What are you suggesting? Players would've been fine letting the NCAA illegally control NIL if they'd only........ ??????

What part of "It's actually illegal" are you missing?

 

[JMSqb11]

Vandy QB Pavia granted injunction, can play in '25

A federal judge in Tennessee granted an injunction Wednesday that allows Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia to pursue another year of eligibility and could represent another significant blow to the NCAA's ability to enforce its own rules.

www.espn.com

Sounds like he wants some money too!

That sucks.

This decision could have gotten us another year of Knecht

 

[dobre_shunka]

That sucks.

This decision could have gotten us another year of Knecht

Knecht wasn't coming back. He was ready to move to the next level. Pavia's athletic career ends when out of college eligibility

 

[walkenvol]

I'm not sure what you expected the NCAA to do.

As soon as they were forced to allow NIL, within a week Bryce Young was a millionaire. They legally couldn't control what collectives paid players from Day 1.

As soon as they legally lost concerning transfers sitting out, the portal became crazy and they lost legally again on multiple transfers.

What the NCAA did was:
fight to keep big TV money out of college sports...... and lost in court.
fight to keep NIL payments from happening for athletes...... and lost in court.
fight to keep players sitting out a year after transfers..... and lost in court.
fight to keep players from transferring multiple times...... and lost in court.

The entire business model isn't legal. As soon as everything the NCAA did for years is challenged in court, it's declared illegal. They couldn't "meet halfway" with students because they legally CANNOT control NIL and transfers.

I'm unsure what choices people think the NCAA had. "Well, they should have done something...."

They did. And they lost in court repeatedly.

If the NCAA actually existed to support the student athletes as they claim then they wouldn’t have placed restrictions on athletes that are more than other students. The NCAA is run by the athletic directors and they care about higher salaries for themselves and pleasing the desires of the AD’s.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Good for him! Vanderbilt will be somewhat competitive again

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If the NCAA actually existed to support the student athletes as they claim then they wouldn’t have placed restrictions on athletes that are more than other students. The NCAA is run by the athletic directors and they care about higher salaries for themselves and pleasing the desires of the AD’s.

The Board of Governors of the NCAA is actually a bunch of academics: Chancellors, Presidents, and such. That's worse than ADs because most are PhD geeks and bean counter types. They cater to big donors with big egos who want to have power and prestige. Guys like Thunder who used to ride around in an Orange and White BMW i8, I think it was.

The NCAA was NEVER on the side of the players and ALWAYS on the side of the money people via the admins. When the schools became all about the TV money, so did the NCAA via March Madness and they rode it as far as they could together.

They lost control of it when the players figured out the huge, lucrative business the NCAA and schools were running on their backs without paying them market value for their work was illegal according to Federal law. So far, the courts have completely agreed that the NCAA business model is almost completely illegal.

 

[Wireless1]

It’s a shame the courts made this ruling. Pavia knows that this is his golden ring. There is no NFL future for him and despite having a degree from Vandy chances are he’ll never make $200K per year ever again.
That’s the problem with the current NIL market, these kids are not close to being good enough for an NFL contract but they are good enough to be a “star” at one of the 130 D1 schools so they will get paid more than they will ever make in the real world and they and their handlers aren’t smart enough to know

 

[OrangeInKy]

Felt compelled to say Diego Pavia sux and he's gonna sue the NCAA asking that they wipe his 2025 season off the history books cause he's about to find out, again

 

[Orangecrush#27]

There's no middle ground when the courts tell you: it's illegal for you to control TV contracts.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: it's illegal for you to control NIL payments to players.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: you can't control or penalize a player no matter how many times they transfer.

There's no middle ground when the court tells you: your control over eligibility is limited, at best, to the schools you control AND you cannot interfere with the player's right to collect NIL benefits by continuing to play.

It's complete BS to say "They could have met halfway....." because EVERY SINGLE TIME THE NCAA COMPROMISED with NIL rules, transfer rules, eligibility rules, etc they get sued to have their power stripped.

Show me a "halfway" or "compromise" plan that won't get sued out of existence for NIL control or transfer control. Just show me how it works.

He’s right. You didn’t even read what he said. If the ncaa didn’t fight tooth and nail , they could have done this the right way years ago. But they fought it until it imploded on themselves and now they have no leverage. We know what’s happening now, but if they had done it the right way to begin with it would be different.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

He’s right. You didn’t even read what he said. If the ncaa didn’t fight tooth and nail , they could have done this the right way years ago. But they fought it until it imploded on themselves and now they have no leverage. We know what’s happening now, but if they had done it the right way to begin with it would be different.

Please explain a right way to make a business model that's illegal, legal. I'll wait.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

Please explain a right way to make a business model that's illegal, legal. I'll wait.

Sure, you want lotto numbers while I’m at hun.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Sure, you want lotto numbers while I’m at hun.

See, that's what happens with you guys. "The NCAA should've done something sooner...."

But you've got nothing. EVERYTHING they've done, every compromise, has been pushed to the limit by the courts. They had no "compromise" to offer.

Wait and see. We're just months away from them implementing the $20M "revenue sharing" and they'll be sued in short order because "why $20M? Why not $50M?" and the courts will agree that the NCAA can't arbitrarily limit what schools can "revenue share." Just watch.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

See, that's what happens with you guys. "The NCAA should've done something sooner...."

But you've got nothing. EVERYTHING they've done, every compromise, has been pushed to the limit by the courts. They had no "compromise" to offer.

Wait and see. We're just months away from them implementing the $20M "revenue sharing" and they'll be sued in short order because "why $20M? Why not $50M?" and the courts will agree that the NCAA can't arbitrarily limit what schools can "revenue share." Just watch.

Whatever you say bud. The ncaa is a multi billion dollar outfit. They have access to the best lawyers that theirs. They didn’t want revenue sharing, they didn’t want nil. They wanted it all for themselves and if you don’t understand that the reason the nil,transfer portal, and now eligibility issues is a direct cause of the ncaa failure to adapt and give up the power, that’s ur opinion and I’m not gonna fight you over it poor ncaa all these college kids picking on them. I bet you feel bad for them

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Whatever you say bud. The ncaa is a multi billion dollar outfit. They have access to the best lawyers that theirs. They didn’t want revenue sharing, they didn’t want nil. They wanted it all for themselves and if you don’t understand that the reason the nil,transfer portal, and now eligibility issues is a direct cause of the ncaa failure to adapt and give up the power, that’s ur opinion and I’m not gonna fight you over it poor ncaa all these college kids picking on them. I bet you feel bad for them

The NCAA lost with all those fancy lawyers. They lost everywhere and almost every time.

There was no compromise because, as Justice Kavenaugh said, "The NCAA is not above the law" when explaining they could no longer get away with not paying their labor, the players, if challenged. The ONLY reason they didn't declare the players employees and pro athletes, per the Supreme Court, was because that part of the Alston lawsuit wasn't appealed to them.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

The NCAA lost with all those fancy lawyers. They lost everywhere and almost every time.

There was no compromise because, as Justice Kavenaugh said, "The NCAA is not above the law" when explaining they could no longer get away with not paying their labor, the players, if challenged. The ONLY reason they didn't declare the players employees and pro athletes, per the Supreme Court, was because that part of the Alston lawsuit wasn't appealed to them.

Again.. 10 years too late hun. You’re not getting it.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Again.. 10 years too late hun. You’re not getting it.

You think it was legal 10 years ago? It wasn't. It just wasn't challenged. Any compromise would have been challenged and lost 10 years ago.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

You think it was legal 10 years ago? It wasn't. It just wasn't challenged. Any compromise would have been challenged and lost 10 years ago.

I don’t think you understand what we’re saying. The NCAA should’ve let players have nil, they should have set up a system to allow players contracts, a proper transfer portal. 10 years ago players would’ve jumped at the chance for pay back when they wasn’t getting paid. Your caught up in the now