Diego Pavia granted another year of eligibility

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don’t think you understand what we’re saying. The NCAA should’ve let players have nil, they should have set up a system to allow players contracts, a proper transfer portal. 10 years ago players would’ve jumped at the chance for pay back when they wasn’t getting paid. Your caught up in the now

Player contracts = employee status, almost certainly. How can the players negotiate contracts without collective bargaining? You know, a union to be able to negotiate the contracts instead of just having to take it or leave it no matter what the school offered?

They WERE getting paid under the table 10 years ago. Don't be naive. It's not the money, it's the freedom to get A LOT of the money and as soon as the floodgates BARELY opened legally, players got rich and lawsuits occurred to keep the NCAA from reining it in.

"Oh, but they'd have gone for it 10 years ago" like they weren't being paid. Please. It's not the money. It's the control of the players that's being called illegal. The portal..... repeatedly AND the control of what money the schools can offer.

You seem to not realize THE SCHOOLS are suing about having no NCAA rules, not the players.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

Player contracts = employee status, almost certainly. How can the players negotiate contracts without collective bargaining? You know, a union to be able to negotiate the contracts instead of just having to take it or leave it no matter what the school offered?

They WERE getting paid under the table 10 years ago. Don't be naive. It's not the money, it's the freedom to get A LOT of the money and as soon as the floodgates BARELY opened legally, players got rich and lawsuits occurred to keep the NCAA from reining it in.

"Oh, but they'd have gone for it 10 years ago" like they weren't being paid. Please. It's not the money. It's the control of the players that's being called illegal. The portal..... repeatedly AND the control of what money the schools can offer.

You seem to not realize THE SCHOOLS are suing about having no NCAA rules, not the players.

. You just keep missing the point. Go talk to that wall

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

. You just keep missing the point. Go talk to that wall

You keep thinking the players were "sweet and innocent" when I've posted a video of Joe Nameth saying he was offered as much as his Dad made a year + a new car to sign with a school in 1960.

The money wasn't the issue. The control the NCAA had over the players is illegal and was illegal.

You just ignore that. You seem to think they could've just "made it a little less illegal" or tossed players a bone and they'd have let the illegal hold on them slide.

That's crazy. Any challenge and it all fell apart VERY quickly, as we've seen.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

You keep thinking the players were "sweet and innocent" when I've posted a video of Joe Nameth saying he was offered as much as his Dad made a year + a new car to sign with a school in 1960.

The money wasn't the issue. The control the NCAA had over the players is illegal and was illegal.

You just ignore that. You seem to think they could've just "made it a little less illegal" or tossed players a bone and they'd have let the illegal hold on them slide.

That's crazy. Any challenge and it all fell apart VERY quickly, as we've seen.

K

 

[LouderVol]

You don't understand what something being declared an Antitrust Violation means? It's illegal. It's not "let's negotiate and maybe we can get you happy if we only barely break the law."

They were being sued NOT because they wouldn't negotiate but because things like NIL control and transfer control ARE ILLEGAL.

What are you suggesting? Players would've been fine letting the NCAA illegally control NIL if they'd only........ ??????

What part of "It's actually illegal" are you missing?

It's been illegal since day one. It only got to the courts because there was no negotiating by the NCAA.

You really think the first time the players brought up an issue with the NCAA was notice that they were due in the Supreme Court?

Could have avoided it if the NCAA let them have jobs. You know since they were amateurs they need money from somewhere.

Could have set some terms to NIL except for "no".

Could have created a collective bargaining agreement.

Could have worked with lawmakers to create an exception.

Heck, before NIL players were suing for food, stipends, the ability to bring family on trips. Tons of dumb stupid things the NCAA just said "no" to instead of doing ANYTHING to appease players.

Any of those could have kept it out of the Supreme Court. The NCAA faced an "adapt or die" situation and chose to die rather than adapt.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It's been illegal since day one. It only got to the courts because there was no negotiating by the NCAA.

You really think the first time the players brought up an issue with the NCAA was notice that they were due in the Supreme Court?

Could have avoided it if the NCAA let them have jobs. You know since they were amateurs they need money from somewhere.

Could have set some terms to NIL except for "no".

Could have created a collective bargaining agreement.

Could have worked with lawmakers to create an exception.

Heck, before NIL players were suing for food, stipends, the ability to bring family on trips. Tons of dumb stupid things the NCAA just said "no" to instead of doing ANYTHING to appease players.

Any of those could have kept it out of the Supreme Court. The NCAA faced an "adapt or die" situation and chose to die rather than adapt.

What you seem to say is: yeah, it's illegal but the NCAA could've continued with the illegal path if they'd only pacified the players with a fraction of their market value.

Interesting way to look at it morally. I can break the law as long as I can lull her with enough candy so she doesn't turn me in or something like that?

But yes, I suppose you're right. You can break the law as long as someone won't stand up to you. It's all a matter of whether you can sleep with yourself.

 

[Wireless1]

NCAA athletics are unfortunately like marriage in America today. It takes two to make a marriage (or a unified roster to make a team) but as soon as one wants their way the whole thing breaks down.
A player (agent) can shop a specific technical point with a judge and suddenly 100 student athletes gets their eligibility extended so that 100 high school senior don’t have a scholarship to accept.