Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

#701
#701
govols/cc said:
I guess Pig is wrong too for saying the ball slipped & he was just trying to make a play.
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Why do you appeal to all these irrelevancies rather than the facts? Where is your evidence the ball was loose?

How would Pig know exactly where the ball came out when he was going full speed diving for the end-zone. When I played, I often didn't know exactly where I was tackled or went out of bounds. Things happen fast. He was just trying to get every bit of extension he could and let the chips fall. Fact is, he made it. I bet he knows it by now.
 
#703
#703
So is it too late to challenge then? I think if ya send the refs a long message they might change their call. I'd get right on that...
 
#704
#704
American Pig said:
Why do you appeal to all these irrelevancies rather than the facts? Where is your evidence the ball was loose?

How would Pig know exactly where the ball came out when he was going full speed diving for the end-zone. When I played, I often didn't know exactly where I was tackled or went out of bounds. Things happen fast. He was just trying to get every bit of extension he could and let the chips fall. Fact is, he made it. I bet he knows it by now.
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I showed you a pic with his thumb off the ball at the half a yard from the goal line. You choose to pretend you don't see it. You will not be convinced because your refuse to be convinced. I understand why and I don't even blame you. As a fan, it sucks. But your desire to believe a falsehood doesn't make it less false. The sky is still blue even if you want it to be purple.
 
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bamawriter said:
I showed you a pic with his thumb off the ball at the half a yard from the goal line. You choose to pretend you don't see it. You will not be convinced because your refuse to be convinced. I understand why and I don't even blame you. As a fan, it sucks. But your desire to believe a falsehood doesn't make it less false. The sky is still blue even if you want it to be purple.
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You didn't show anything with that grainy pic. The revers pic of that angle shows 4 fingers on the ball. I guess his thumb was just dangling on the other side of the ball ?
 
#706
#706
American Pig said:
Now you ignore the facts and appeal to the superficial surface impressions of those who were also fooled.

Gee, why should I believe the facts I see with my own eyes, rather than popular opinion?
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You know how much of a tinfoil wearing conspiracy nut you sound like?
 
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#707
Bryan1 said:
You didn't show anything with that grainy pic. The revers pic of that angle shows 4 fingers on the ball. I guess his thumb was just dangling on the other side of the ball ?
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As I said before, there is no timestamp to confirm that the picture you're refering to is at the exact same moment as the picture I'm refering to. I don't think any of us here has the skill, nor technology, to match up a bunch of different angles of the exact millisecond in time.

All I know is, in my pic, his thumb is visible, as is the curvature of the ball. The thumb isn't on the ball.
 
#708
#708
American Pig said:
Why do you appeal to all these irrelevancies rather than the facts? Where is your evidence the ball was loose?

How would Pig know exactly where the ball came out when he was going full speed diving for the end-zone. When I played, I often didn't know exactly where I was tackled or went out of bounds. Things happen fast. He was just trying to get every bit of extension he could and let the chips fall. Fact is, he made it. I bet he knows it by now.
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The evidence is all over. You refuse to believe what you see. His interview was today.
 
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#709
bamawriter said:
As I said before, there is no timestamp to confirm that the picture you're refering to is at the exact same moment as the picture I'm refering to. I don't think any of us here has the skill, nor technology, to match up a bunch of different angles of the exact millisecond in time.

All I know is, in my pic, his thumb is visible, as is the curvature of the ball. The thumb isn't on the ball.
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In your opinion it's not, hard to tell with those gloves.
 
#711
#711
Bryan1 said:
In your opinion it's not, hard to tell with those gloves.
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It's nobody's opinion. He lost the ball & at best dribbled it at the goaline & didn't have control. I mean you're the knowledgable football expert & can't see that?
 
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#713
LWSVOL said:
he never had control in left hand, never.. once his right let go, ball was not controlled and that shot doesn't refute the other angle. the side shot was obvious he never had it and he would tell you that.. its bad luck but that is what it is
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Larry...that's simply your opinion. The right hand is steadying the ball while his left hand is cupping the end of it. Then there is a transition...again...just like EVERY single Basket ball player does when making a one-handed slam. The ball transitions from two hands to one. Guys like you make the false assumption that pig cannot have controlled the ball without both hands. He was positioning it the whole time to be a ONE-HANDED extension. I know that's hard for you to conceive...but it happens.

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VOLorNuttin said:
Larry...that's simply your opinion. The right hand is steadying the ball while his left hand is cupping the end of it. Then there is a transition...again...just like EVERY single Basket ball player does when making a one-handed slam. The ball transitions from two hands to one. Guys like you make the false assumption that pig cannot have controlled the ball without both hands. He was positioning it the whole time to be a ONE-HANDED extension. I know that's hard for you to conceive...but it happens.
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He lost the ball from the moment he left his feet. The two pics you show are nothing alike. Again your pic doesn't help your case, or lack of.
 
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govols/cc said:
He lost the ball from the moment he left his feet. The two pics you show are nothing alike. Again your pic doesn't help your case, or lack of.
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You are wrong! He is carrying the ball in his right hand shifts it into his left hand going into the dive.
 
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#717
govols/cc said:
He lost the ball from the moment he left his feet. The two pics you show are nothing alike. Again your pic doesn't help your case, or lack of.
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You are so full of shiite. He's holding the ball with two hands > transitions to one hand, cupping it from the end (with his left hand). Doesn't matter how conclusive the evidence, some idiots like you, will argue with a tree. The images and the footage show clear possession with the left hand, long enough to cross the plane of the goal line...PERIOD.
 
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#721
VOLorNuttin said:
You are so full of shiite. He's holding the ball with two hands > transitions to one hand, cupping it from the end (with his left hand). Doesn't matter how conclusive the evidence, some idiots like you, will argue with a tree. The images and the footage show clear possession with the left hand, long enough to cross the plane of the goal line...PERIOD.
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No, they don't. His thumb is no longer gripping the ball a half yard from the goal line. If his thumb was off, he started losing possession at that moment.
 
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#722
VOLorNuttin said:
You are so full of shiite. He's holding the ball with two hands > transitions to one hand, cupping it from the end (with his left hand). Doesn't matter how conclusive the evidence, some idiots like you, will argue with a tree. The images and the footage show clear possession with the left hand, long enough to cross the plane of the goal line...PERIOD.
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Go look in the mirror & read the last couple sentences.

Hard to see a shift when there isn't one. He dives & loses the ball immediately. His left hand is the last thing to touch it with a little slap dribble.
 
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#723
VOLorNuttin said:
You are so full of shiite. He's holding the ball with two hands > transitions to one hand, cupping it from the end (with his left hand). Doesn't matter how conclusive the evidence, some idiots like you, will argue with a tree. The images and the footage show clear possession with the left hand, long enough to cross the plane of the goal line...PERIOD.
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You are right, would argue with a tree and dumber than a door knob. First he loses it as soon as he leave his feet. the he loses it as soon as his right hand come off of it. Then he loses it at the 1/2 yard line. All the while there is no separation from his hand and the ball, and no video evidence to prove otherwise. Oh, about forgot, now he is dribbling it into the end zone!
 
#724
#724
I've come to the point that these few arguing are trolls. They all have few posts, very few likes, and are just arguing for the point of arguing.

It's like talking to a wall
 
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#725
UT_Tix79 said:
I've come to the point that these few arguing are trolls. They all have few posts, very few likes, and are just arguing for the point of arguing.

It's like talking to a wall
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and that goes both ways! I been here a long time. I do a lot of reading , just don't post much, but the idiocy of this call being overturned had me intrigued.
 
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