Dilione a one and done? ESPN thinks so

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Mr Checkers suggests that Springer, Johnson, and Chandler aren’t worthy of the one-and-done players that he wants to fit his wish. I’d suggest that Grunfeld, King, Houston, and then Tobias might be the only freshmen to ever be more impactful. But Tobias might be more like Johnson, Springer, and Chandler. Grunfeld and King clearly were amazing as freshmen. Hard to tell if Houston was that good or if everybody else just wasn’t very good.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Mr Checkers suggests that Springer, Johnson, and Chandler aren’t worthy of the one-and-done players that he wants to fit his wish. I’d suggest that Grunfeld, King, Houston, and then Tobias might be the only freshmen to ever be more impactful. But Tobias might be more like Johnson, Springer, and Chandler. Grunfeld and King clearly were amazing as freshmen. Hard to tell if Houston was that good or if everybody else just wasn’t very good.
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2 of those guys are in the G league and the third plays sporadic minutes and probably just lost his role to the #3 pick in the draft. Unless you are a top 10 player in the draft and maybe even 5, it makes no sense to leave. Most of those guys just end up flailing around and are done before their second contract.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
2 of those guys are in the G league and the third plays sporadic minutes and probably just lost his role to the #3 pick in the draft. Unless you are a top 10 player in the draft and maybe even 5, it makes no sense to leave. Most of those guys just end up flailing around and are done before their second contract.
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Bone wasn’t a 1&D but it sure seems like he could have used another year. But he had checked out on being a student. Maybe he needs to get overseas and start getting his basketball career on a more stable footing.

Johnson, Springer, and Chandler got paid so I can’t blame them for moving on. Maybe Bone cashed in low 7 figures - I have no idea. He’s been a 2-way at times.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Bone wasn’t a 1&D but it sure seems like he could have used another year. But he had checked out on being a student. Maybe he needs to get overseas and start getting his basketball career on a more stable footing.

Johnson, Springer, and Chandler got paid so I can’t blame them for moving on. Maybe Bone cashed in low 7 figures - I have no idea. He’s been a 2-way at times.
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I can agree on Bone, but I also have less of an issue with juniors jumping early. They at least have some leverage in contract negotiations, as a SR it's pretty much take it or leave it.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I can agree on Bone, but I also have less of an issue with juniors jumping early. They at least have some leverage in contract negotiations, as a SR it's pretty much take it or leave it.
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I think that Bone could have put up some really good numbers as a senior. His first 2 years were very average and as a junior got up to 13.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 5.8 apg after 7.3, 2.1, and 3.5 a year before. He would have been much more marketable had he made a similar jump as a senior. But he would have also lost Grant, Admiral, and Kyle so he might have regressed as well.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I think that Bone could have put up some really good numbers as a senior. His first 2 years were very average and as a junior got up to 13.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 5.8 apg after 7.3, 2.1, and 3.5 a year before. He would have been much more marketable had he made a similar jump as a senior. But he would have also lost Grant, Admiral, and Kyle so he might have regressed as well.
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I think Bone mightve come back if Grant did, but Grant had a first round grade there was no reason for him to come back. I think that group had grown so close together they weren't going to play in college without one another.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Unless you are a top 10 player in the draft and maybe even 5, it makes no sense to leave. Most of those guys just end up flailing around and are done before their second contract.
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Your opinion here isn’t totally unpopular. But I really don’t understand the logic. Like, was Jokic supposed to chill in Europe until he was a lottery pick? Should Brandin Podziemski have stayed at Santa Clara another year because he only got drafted 19th? Was it a mistake for Christian Braun to enter the draft last year cause he went 21? (He was a key rotational piece on a championship team)

It infers that the college game develops players better (which has tons of restrictions on how much practice and coaching you can even receive)

VS the NBA where they have unlimited, and IMO, superior resources for improvement. Plus, these days everyone drafted regardless of round is getting guaranteed contracts worth multi-millions.

I mean, the Miami heat just made the finals with a bunch of these “G-leaguers” as central parts to their team. Strus, Robinson, Vincent and Martin (and Martin looks i look like a future star). The G-league path isn’t some joke.

IMO these days, if you can get drafted anywhere, you should go.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Your opinion here isn’t totally unpopular. But I really don’t understand the logic. Like, was Jokic supposed to chill in Europe until he was a lottery pick? Should Brandin Podziemski have stayed at Santa Clara another year because he only got drafted 19th? Was it a mistake for Christian Braun to enter the draft last year cause he went 21? (He was a key rotational piece on a championship team)

It infers that the college game develops players better (which has tons of restrictions on how much practice and coaching you can even receive)

VS the NBA where they have unlimited, and IMO, superior resources for improvement. Plus, these days everyone drafted regardless of round is getting guaranteed contracts worth multi-millions.

I mean, the Miami heat just made the finals with a bunch of these “G-leaguers” as central parts to their team. Strus, Robinson, Vincent and Martin (and Martin looks i look like a future star). The G-league path isn’t some joke.

IMO these days, if you can get drafted anywhere, you should go.
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I just think college basketball should go to the baseball route. Maybe 2 years instead of 3.
KC is a good player, but his size was always going to hurt him, Imo he should've stayed an extra year to work on his jumper until he became a shooter that teams didn't want to get rid of.
Keon, his jumper needs work but that's not his game so I won't totally use it against him, but his handles needed a lot of work when he left and another year in a college S&C program would've done him wonders.
Lastly Jaden I think should've stayed to prove his ankle was healthy.
There are some that make it work, I won't deny that, but more often than not these guys are gone in 5 or 6 years.

I also don't really agree that NBA coaches have all this time with these guys. These coaches are coaching for their jobs, their livelihoods, some guys are going to get lost in the shuffle because the coach focuses on the top 10 in the rotation and forget about the rest. IMO it's better to be a Star on a college team than a bench warmer in the league.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Your opinion here isn’t totally unpopular. But I really don’t understand the logic. Like, was Jokic supposed to chill in Europe until he was a lottery pick? Should Brandin Podziemski have stayed at Santa Clara another year because he only got drafted 19th? Was it a mistake for Christian Braun to enter the draft last year cause he went 21? (He was a key rotational piece on a championship team)

It infers that the college game develops players better (which has tons of restrictions on how much practice and coaching you can even receive)

VS the NBA where they have unlimited, and IMO, superior resources for improvement. Plus, these days everyone drafted regardless of round is getting guaranteed contracts worth multi-millions.

I mean, the Miami heat just made the finals with a bunch of these “G-leaguers” as central parts to their team. Strus, Robinson, Vincent and Martin (and Martin looks i look like a future star). The G-league path isn’t some joke.

IMO these days, if you can get drafted anywhere, you should go.
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This right here is 100% correct.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I just think college basketball should go to the baseball route. Maybe 2 years instead of 3.
KC is a good player, but his size was always going to hurt him, Imo he should've stayed an extra year to work on his jumper until he became a shooter that teams didn't want to get rid of.
Keon, his jumper needs work but that's not his game so I won't totally use it against him, but his handles needed a lot of work when he left and another year in a college S&C program would've done him wonders.
Lastly Jaden I think should've stayed to prove his ankle was healthy.
There are some that make it work, I won't deny that, but more often than not these guys are gone in 5 or 6 years.

I also don't really agree that NBA coaches have all this time with these guys. These coaches are coaching for their jobs, their livelihoods, some guys are going to get lost in the shuffle because the coach focuses on the top 10 in the rotation and forget about the rest. IMO it's better to be a Star on a college team than a bench warmer in the league.
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NBA teams have bountiful resources as to off season training and coaching. Teams have specialists that aren't necessarily part of the in-game coaching
 
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I'm don't follow basketball super close, I remember hearing we got Freddie and he was redshirting. But never looked him up, I went to the Mizzu game and quickly realized he was the most athletic person on the court.
 
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