Disliking Obama: Politics or Pigmentation?

#26
#26
wbarron said:
Yeah - I hope I never have to make that decision, or advise someone else who has to. And I don't know what it's like. But on principle (and to me, this seems like the "less government" argument), the government shouldn't make that decision.

And I always wonder - would the number of abortions actually change if Roe were overturned? Or would it just make it unsafe for those who felt that was their only option? And would we have more unwanted babies in this world?
Click to expand...

You know if it wasn't for your avatar, I would really, really, really like you.

:thumbsup:

redlogo.gif
 
#27
#27
BigPapaVol said:
This is hardly a situation in which he should waffle. As for the democrats, is there someone electable in the group?
Click to expand...

well, if the GOP doesn't come up with better than the likes of John "the Iraq War Was an Awesome Idea, Let's Stay a Few More Years" McCain or Rudy "the Heartland's Gonna Love Me When They Find Out About My 12 Marriages" Giuliani, then I'd say there's a host of electable Democrats running.
 
#28
#28
All Vol! said:
well, if the GOP doesn't come up with better than the likes of John "the Iraq War Was an Awesome Idea, Let's Stay a Few More Years" McCain or Rudy "the Heartland's Gonna Love Me When They Find Out About My 12 Marriages" Giuliani, then I'd say there's a host of electable Democrats running.
Click to expand...

What has you feeling so confident? The 50% polling negatives for Hillary Clinton or the complete lack of executive experience in the Democratic field?
 
#30
#30
I agree. There's nothing really that inspiring about a single candidate in the race so far.
 
#31
#31
All Vol! said:
well, if the GOP doesn't come up with better than the likes of John "the Iraq War Was an Awesome Idea, Let's Stay a Few More Years" McCain or Rudy "the Heartland's Gonna Love Me When They Find Out About My 12 Marriages" Giuliani, then I'd say there's a host of electable Democrats running.
Click to expand...
yeah, the populace proved that philandering is a problem when it twice elected Clinton
 
#32
#32
BigPapaVol said:
yeah, the populace proved that philandering is a problem when it twice elected Clinton
Click to expand...

I concede a multi-divorce candidate will probably not fall on that alone; in Guiliani's case, it will more likely be his inability to sell himself to Republican traditionalists, particularly in the south, once they learn where he stands on some of the issues - namely abortion.

Also, I don't know where you're coming from on the "philandering" sarcasm effort; I mean, has history changed or did Monicagate not come to light after Clinton was twice elected?
 
#33
#33
GAVol said:
What has you feeling so confident? The 50% polling negatives for Hillary Clinton or the complete lack of executive experience in the Democratic field?
Click to expand...

Since when does "executive" experience necessarily translate into the ability to lead? There's a reason it isn't a prerequisite for the job. Lincoln had virtually no such experience and is generally regarded as one of the greatest presidents of all. What it takes is natural intelligence, a type of charisma and the capacity to inspire national pride. If you can't be "inspired" by a man like Obama, then with all due respect, GAVol, I feel your focus is probably on many of the wrong things.
 
#34
#34
All Vol! said:
Also, I don't know where you're coming from on the "philandering" sarcasm effort; I mean, has history changed or did Monicagate not come to light after Clinton was twice elected?
Click to expand...

Don't think history changed, you just seem to not be looking at all of it. I don't think Monica was Clinton's only calling card in relation to philandering.
 
#38
#38
allvol123 said:
Paula Jones for one. But I am sure that was not "documented" enough to fit your definition.
Click to expand...

well, generally, lawsuits (such as Paula Jones's) that are dismissed in court as baseless are not offered very often as documention of something.
 
#39
#39
OWB said:
Anyone would be considered an improvement over W..
Click to expand...

Really?

I am not just saying that...............

I am a closet Bill Clinton lover, I own of few of his books, but good grief look at the past 20 years and all the crap we have been given to vote for.

Really, Bill Clinton, second term and Reagan.

Honestly, what else have we been given?
 
#42
#42
All Vol! said:
If you can't be "inspired" by a man like Obama, then with all due respect, GAVol, I feel your focus is probably on many of the wrong things.
Click to expand...

I'm looking for substance; not big fluffy sermon-like speeches.
 
#43
#43
All Vol! said:
Since when does "executive" experience necessarily translate into the ability to lead?
Click to expand...

Because there's a difference between legistlating and leading. No doubt there have been non-execs that have turned out to be pretty good leaders. But I think it's instructive that it's been almost 50 years since we elected a guy like that.
 
#45
#45
My point is that regardless of party, I think there are clear reasons why Senators don't get elected President.

The one thing that the Senators do have going for them is the added dynamic of there being no incumbent running for the first time since forever.
 
#46
#46
GAVol said:
I'm looking for substance; not big fluffy sermon-like speeches.
Click to expand...

C'mon, GA...what you're calling fluffy easily becomes inspiring, depending on the heart that recieves it. I don't buy that Obama is devoid of substance. He positions on the issues as much and as well as anyone. I believe the greatest leaders are a mix of substance and style; it takes substance to make decisions, but it takes style to win the hearts and minds of people, inspire and lead them. I would suggest that the most influential leaders down thru history have understood the power of "fluff", properly delivered.
 
#47
#47
I don't completely dismiss the guy. He clearly is formidable. But there's just no record to refer to or any evidence that he can actually lead anything other than a partisan pep rally. As of right now, he's just a guy who gives a good speech.
 
#49
#49
All Vol! said:
As I meet and speak with people who have a strong opinion about Obama, I am frequently left with a nagging question in my noggin:

Does Obama's prominent place in the pre-election race stir a majority of individuals to strong feelings because of his stance on the issues/style of campaigning, etc. OR, in an age of "political correctness", is there unspoken prejudice still brimming beneath the surface in far more Americans than would admit it...or perhaps even realize it?

Any takers?
Click to expand...

the only problem i have with obama is that he is of the muslim faith. i just can't seem to get by that.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top