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saintvol said:
Yes. Tourney games are neutral site games, not road games.
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No offense but Georgia, who has beaten us at both home and away (no neutral site) and is in no way an inferior team to us. You need to try again with that one chief.
 
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KBVol said:
No offense but Georgia, who has beaten us at both home and away (no neutral site) and is in no way an inferior team to us. You need to try again with that one chief.
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Georgia beat us at home without golden and while we were playing like crap. We are a much better team now than we were then. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you. You think Georgia is better than us?
 
#30
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saintvol said:
Georgia beat us at home without golden and while we were playing like crap. We are a much better team now than we were then. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you. You think Georgia is better than us?
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You do know they won swept us right? We don't match up with them for some reason. Kinda like us and Fla, but reverse!!
 
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
You do know they won swept us right? We don't match up with them for some reason. Kinda like us and Fla, but reverse!!
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They beat the crap version of our team a few weeks ago and then beat the good version of our team at home yesterday. I think the odds of them beating us at home the way we are playing right now are very low.

You need to forget everything that happened starting with the first Georgia game and everything before that. That was a completely different UT team. That team had no shot at the NIT, much less the tourney.
 
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#32
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lovavol said:
uga loss was pitiful....pg and stokes play like that, we lose to friggin aubie, even with 50 from Jordy....CCM(love him) better get a clue when it comes to D, gotta be flexible,,,,missory sux on the road, so did we sat...I feel we have to win out and 2 in the tourney to dance big, now I'll pray,,,,go vols
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Huh?
 
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i predicted the loss. emotional win over florida, road game four days later.....obvious trip up game....and we tripped.
 
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I disagree. I see Georgia as just one of those teams built to beat us. I look at it like this, was there any excuse for florida to lose to us? Really? No. Was there any excuse back when they had 5 draft picks for us to sweep them? No. Not at all. But we were designed to beat them. A&M is the same way with elston turner, we just had all of our guys clicking for that one. We have trouble with elite scoring guards with minimal inside game. Georgia is not more talented than us, but they won. Florida and KY are far more talented than us, but we beat them. Some teams you just have their number.
 
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I follow basketball just as much as anyone and I still don't see UT making the tournament. You should be asking yourself the same question. What makes you think Tennessee does make the tournament? Do you think beating a bad Auburn team, a home win against Mizzou and a watered down team in the first round warrants a NCAA tournament bid? I don't see the logic in this. I don't get how anyone can say (win a game or 2 and your in) or (Georgia was it, were out). Both are silly and premature. Losing to Georgia hurts but I promise, if UT beats the next two teams, beats a horrible team in their first SECT game and then lays an egg in the second game, they will not get in and if they do, it's because a lot of other teams bombed out. I'm banking on not every team in the country sucking it up. Tennessee needs to make it to the SEC tournament championship game to have a shot IMO.
 
#37
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Yeah we have to get to 21 wins to move ahead of all the other currently qualified teams.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I follow basketball just as much as anyone and I still don't see UT making the tournament. You should be asking yourself the same question. What makes you think Tennessee does make the tournament? Do you think beating a bad Auburn team, a home win against Mizzou and a watered down team in the first round warrants a NCAA tournament bid? I don't see the logic in this. I don't get how anyone can say (win a game or 2 and your in) or (Georgia was it, were out). Both are silly and premature. Losing to Georgia hurts but I promise, if UT beats the next two teams, beats a horrible team in their first SECT game and then lays an egg in the second game, they will not get in and if they do, it's because a lot of other teams bombed out. I'm banking on not every team in the country sucking it up. Tennessee needs to make it to the SEC tournament championship game to have a shot IMO.
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I agree partially. I'd feel much better about our chances by making it to the championship game. However, looking at the comparative resumes, the only thing really missing from ours is total wins. Winning out the regular season puts us at 19-11. 20-12 doesn't look so bad if we only manage 1-1 in the tourney with our resume compared to other bubble teams.

Truthfully, we shouldn't "feel good" unless we win the league and get the auto-bid, but I think there is more reason for optimism this year than last if we finish the season 3-1. We would have a much stronger case than we did last year.
 
#39
#39
Shaun1985 said:
I follow basketball just as much as anyone and I still don't see UT making the tournament. You should be asking yourself the same question. What makes you think Tennessee does make the tournament? Do you think beating a bad Auburn team, a home win against Mizzou and a watered down team in the first round warrants a NCAA tournament bid? I don't see the logic in this. I don't get how anyone can say (win a game or 2 and your in) or (Georgia was it, were out). Both are silly and premature. Losing to Georgia hurts but I promise, if UT beats the next two teams, beats a horrible team in their first SECT game and then lays an egg in the second game, they will not get in and if they do, it's because a lot of other teams bombed out. I'm banking on not every team in the country sucking it up. Tennessee needs to make it to the SEC tournament championship game to have a shot IMO.
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You do realize we are competing with other teams to fill out the last few spots right? They are not just looking at us and saying they are in or they are out. The fact is that we have less negatives on our resume than most of the other bubble teams do. Virginia has 7 terrible losses. How do they deserve to be in?
 
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saintvol said:
You do realize we are competing with other teams to fill out the last few spots right? They are not just looking at us and saying they are in or they are out. The fact is that we have less negatives on our resume than most of the other bubble teams do. Virginia has 7 terrible losses. How do they deserve to be in?
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I agree but we play in a weaker conference than a lot of those other teams. I'm not saying "team a" is better than us or "team b" is....my whole point was we controlled our own destiny before the Georgia loss. To say we are completely out is ridiculous and to say that all we have to do is a win a game is ridiculous. Our conference is crap. When these other bubble teams get into their respective conference tournaments, I can bet that 90% have more impressive victories in round one or round two. We could get a draw like Miss State / South Carolina or someone...come back the next night and play another bubble team. That's all fine and dandy but look at the BE or the ACC tournament and who their bubble teams get a chance to play. All I'm saying is in a watered down conference, don't lose to a team with an RPI above 150 with only three games left in the season.
 
#41
#41
cncchris33 said:
I agree partially. I'd feel much better about our chances by making it to the championship game. However, looking at the comparative resumes, the only thing really missing from ours is total wins. Winning out the regular season puts us at 19-11. 20-12 doesn't look so bad if we only manage 1-1 in the tourney with our resume compared to other bubble teams.

Truthfully, we shouldn't "feel good" unless we win the league and get the auto-bid, but I think there is more reason for optimism this year than last if we finish the season 3-1. We would have a much stronger case than we did last year.
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No doubt. Last year, we had some pretty horrible slip ups that hurt badly. No so much this year. I hate the fact that Ole Miss, a fellow bubble team, and Georgia swept us. I don't worry so much about the SECT because we have proven we can beat anyone in Nashville....I wish we could trade the win @ Florida from last year because that pretty much set the tone. We don't have anything impressive on the road this season and just the game against Auburn drops our SOS. A home win at Mizzou won't do much to our RPI but at least looks good on our resume so that's why I think we need to do some heavy damage in the SECT and hope other bubble teams tank.
 
#42
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Shaun1985 said:
I follow basketball just as much as anyone and I still don't see UT making the tournament. You should be asking yourself the same question. What makes you think Tennessee does make the tournament? Do you think beating a bad Auburn team, a home win against Mizzou and a watered down team in the first round warrants a NCAA tournament bid? I don't see the logic in this. I don't get how anyone can say (win a game or 2 and your in) or (Georgia was it, were out). Both are silly and premature. Losing to Georgia hurts but I promise, if UT beats the next two teams, beats a horrible team in their first SECT game and then lays an egg in the second game, they will not get in and if they do, it's because a lot of other teams bombed out. I'm banking on not every team in the country sucking it up. Tennessee needs to make it to the SEC tournament championship game to have a shot IMO.
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I don't think he was saying they will or won't, simply saying those ruling it out or saying only way is win the SECT is factually incorrect.

And yes, I do think beating an auburn team, then Missouri team, and then a bottom feeder in the SECT warrants a bid. They have to field 68 teams, look at the resume comparison of other team we're competing with, we look much better than most. It's a common misconception, people think oh we have a couple bad losses, every bubble team has flaws thats why they're a bubble team and not in.

You do realize winning 2 wouldn't get them into the SECT championship also right? By saying they have to make the SECT championship you're saying they have to win 3 at the SECT.
 
#43
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Shaun1985 said:
I agree but we play in a weaker conference than a lot of those other teams. I'm not saying "team a" is better than us or "team b" is....my whole point was we controlled our own destiny before the Georgia loss. To say we are completely out is ridiculous and to say that all we have to do is a win a game is ridiculous. Our conference is crap. When these other bubble teams get into their respective conference tournaments, I can bet that 90% have more impressive victories in round one or round two. We could get a draw like Miss State / South Carolina or someone...come back the next night and play another bubble team. That's all fine and dandy but look at the BE or the ACC tournament and who their bubble teams get a chance to play. All I'm saying is in a watered down conference, don't lose to a team with an RPI above 150 with only three games left in the season.
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1. We didn't lose to a +150 RPI team
2. That's why our OOC SOS is important, compare our overall SOS to those teams that play in good conferences you're talking about
3. UVA is considered in by Lunardi and they just lost a worse game than UT did...
 
#44
#44
Shaun1985 said:
No doubt. Last year, we had some pretty horrible slip ups that hurt badly. No so much this year. I hate the fact that Ole Miss, a fellow bubble team, and Georgia swept us. I don't worry so much about the SECT because we have proven we can beat anyone in Nashville....I wish we could trade the win @ Florida from last year because that pretty much set the tone. We don't have anything impressive on the road this season and just the game against Auburn drops our SOS. A home win at Mizzou won't do much to our RPI but at least looks good on our resume so that's why I think we need to do some heavy damage in the SECT and hope other bubble teams tank.
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We don't have anything impressive on the road? A win against a top 100 team on the road is considered impressive by the committe.

The game against auburn drops our RPI? Have you been listening to hyams? That's simply a false statement.

Compare our resume and RPI to the bubble teams, I think you'll be a bit surprised, we flat out control our own destiny.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We don't have anything impressive on the road? A win against a top 100 team on the road is considered impressive by the committe.

The game against auburn drops our RPI? Have you been listening to hyams? That's simply a false statement.

Compare our resume and RPI to the bubble teams, I think you'll be a bit surprised, we flat out control our own destiny.
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I didn't say drops our RPI..I said SOS and yes I am aware that 2 SECT wins doesn't get us in the championship. Two wins against a bad SEC team and a medicore one is not good enough to get a bid IMO. To say that playing Auburn wouldn't drop our SOS is false. The RPI is largely based on SOS and even though it's a road win, it's still not enough adding a home win against Mizzou and a win in the SECT without a bunch of help from other teams. I am comparing our resume and it's not that impressive. We don't have bad losses but our wins aren't anything special. If a team like Virginia or Baylor turned it on in the conference tournament, we'd be crap out of luck. That's the whole point I was trying to make.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I didn't say drops our RPI..I said SOS and yes I am aware that 2 SECT wins doesn't get us in the championship. Two wins against a bad SEC team and a medicore one is not good enough to get a bid IMO. To say that playing Auburn wouldn't drop our SOS is false. The RPI is largely based on SOS and even though it's a road win, it's still not enough adding a home win against Mizzou and a win in the SECT without a bunch of help from other teams. I am comparing our resume and it's not that impressive. We don't have bad losses but our wins aren't anything special. If a team like Virginia or Baylor turned it on in the conference tournament, we'd be crap out of luck. That's the whole point I was trying to make.
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It will drop our SOS, you're correct my bad, a win still bumps our RPI though, doesn't drop us or keep us neutral.

I'm sorry if you feel that's not enough, but winning 4 more is more than enough. You're talking a RPI in the 40s and with our SOS you can't find me a team that ever been left off with that resume.

Who has a better resume, Lunardi says 6 off that list look to get in, so which 6 have a better resume? And our wins aren't impressive, if Florida isn't an impressive win then I don't know what is.

All bubble teams have flaws, whether it's weak conference, lack of SOS, bad losses, whatever...they have flaws that's why they're a bubble team and not a lock. When you look at these bubble teams resume as a whole Tennessee is better than most, and obviously I'm not the only one who agrees. Lunardi has us in, as does Jerry Palm, two guys who have been doing this a long time.
 
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Where is our RPI after Mizzou if we win both? That's what I'm wondering. Low 50's, high 40's? If we beat a Mississippi State / South Carolina type in our first game then how much up the 40's do we make it. Teams like MTSU and Belmont scare me. If they don't get automatic bids than how do you leave teams in the 30's out. I know it's been done before but an RPI in the top 30's is pretty much a guarantee. Atleast a team in the outside the top 50 to 60 gets in. I think I seen something where on average, at least 1 in that range gets in the odds get higher with the expansion. I'm just nervous about hanging around the mid to high 40's and dropping a game to a mediocre team in the tournament. It just doesn't seem to add up
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Where is our RPI after Mizzou if we win both? That's what I'm wondering. Low 50's, high 40's? If we beat a Mississippi State / South Carolina type in our first game then how much up the 40's do we make it. Teams like MTSU and Belmont scare me. If they don't get automatic bids than how do you leave teams in the 30's out. I know it's been done before but an RPI in the top 30's is pretty much a guarantee. Atleast a team in the outside the top 50 to 60 gets in. I think I seen something where on average, at least 1 in that range gets in the odds get higher with the expansion. I'm just nervous about hanging around the mid to high 40's and dropping a game to a mediocre team in the tournament. It just doesn't seem to add up
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RPI gain is probably about 3-4 spots winning both, plus teams in front of us losing. Nova likely loses, as well as UK, so probably arou d 50 would be my best guess if we win both. You beat a bottom dweller on a neutral court that's probably another 2-3 spot jump. Then add a win over a decent team in our 2nd game and we probably get around 45.

The thing with Belmont and MTSU you're leaving off, if they don't win their conference tourney they're losing to a not great team. If they get upset by a +100RPI team their RPI will plummet. Missouri State had a RPI of 39 a couple years ago and was left out because they lost in their conference tourney, MTSU did it last year as well.

But say MTSU and Belmont lose and still get in, their is still bubble teams getting in, just not as many. Our resume at this point is superior to most bubble teams, win the next 4 and there's not much of a chance they can pass us...unless Baylor, UK etc. go out and win the conference tourney.

According to Lunardi you have 42 teams IN, plus 20 automatic qualifiers (some of the IN he's presuming as winning their conference tournament) so that's 62 teams in with room for 6 bubble teams. Going off your worry, if Belmont and MTSU were to lose but still get a bid (I'm not sure they would) you're down to 4 bubble teams. So out of the bubble teams "out" Alabama, Baylor, Kentucky, Southern Miss, Ole Miss, Maryland, Arizona State, Arkansas, Providence...what 4 on that list have a resume that in your opinion is better than Tennessee's?
 
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