Doctor killer a member of conservative group

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I've actually had some cases with a couple of people from the "Freemen" organizations. They sue all the time over nonsensical stuff and refuse to take oaths, recognize jurisdiction of the courts, etc. Sometimes they have a little stamp they endorse things with, like with Paul Revere etched into it.

I wonder if we are going to start seeing some apparently random acts of violence like this, clothed in someone's view of principle.

Suspect in George Tiller shooting is linked to anti-government group | George Tiller Slain | Wichita Eagle
 
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Interesting title. I guess you can link anti-government to conservative but they are certainly not the same.

I didn't see the word conservative used in the article.

Aren't you being a bit like your hero RL in stretching this into something it really isn't? :)
 
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VBH hit it dead on. You are becoming so predictable, you are losing shock value LG. But it is about abortion, so it will eventually become a 1000 post thread on life, tissue, fetuses, the Bible, etc.
 
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You've already got states saying that they will have specially marked guns that are made, sold and possessed only within state borders, thereby trying to skirt federal regulation under the commerce clause. It's hard to imagine any of this separatist stuff catching on but if people in the red states feel like the federal government is taxing them just to pay for stuff in blue states (for example all the otherwise rational people in middle Tennessee who are today saying that the Saturn plant is being idled because TN voted for McCain) at the same time that liberal federal court judges are undermining their cultural values, I could see some politicians demagoguing the issue to the point that it will whip the yahoos into a frenzy.
 
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volinbham said:
Interesting title. I guess you can link anti-government to conservative but they are certainly not the same.

I didn't see the word conservative used in the article.

Aren't you being a bit like your hero RL in stretching this into something it really isn't? :)
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I suppose one could make an argument that "libertarian" is a better descriptor, but my guess is that in time this man's background will show some strong allegiance to groups and leaders much more clearly aligned with "conservatives."

For example:

State Senator Tied to Freemen Movement


Even segments of their organization consider themselves simply "latter day conservatives." State Senator Tied to Freemen Movement


In fact, some of their overly simplistic hype sounds errily familiar, doesn't it? :

A Latter-day conservative is a person that believes that rights come from God, and that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man, in order to protect those rights. A Latter-day Conservative also believes that the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme law of the land and it should be interpreted based on the Founding Fathers original intent.

Additionally, a Latter-day Conservative is awake to the fact that a Secret Combination has slowly infiltrated and taken control of much of the government (as prophesied in Ether chapter 8 of the Book of Mormon and by other scriptures and multiple prophets). This Secret Combination works to destroy the freedoms of all people in all nations and has been very successful in duping many people into accepting socialism. To combat against this Secret Combination a Latter-day Conservative will educate others about the principles of freedom and proper role of government and…
 
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Wow! You found a state senator that's a freeman and conservative! You are reaching.

I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was a social conservative but nothing in the article you linked ties him to the conservative movement directly.


Anarchists are anti-government and clearly they are tied to liberals.

You used the term conservative to tie a guy to an ideology you disagree with or seek to criticize whether it's a direct fit or not.

Nothing out of the ordinary about it but since you have a hissy fit about commentators using this tactic, it is especially ironic.
 
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volinbham said:
Wow! You found a state senator that's a freeman and conservative! You are reaching.

I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was a social conservative but nothing in the article you linked ties him to the conservative movement directly.


Anarchists are anti-government and clearly they are tied to liberals.

You used the term conservative to tie a guy to an ideology you disagree with or seek to criticize whether it's a direct fit or not.

Nothing out of the ordinary about it but since you have a hissy fit about commentators using this tactic, it is especially ironic.
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I'm not having a "hissy fit." I am just thinking that this could be the first of a string -- unorganized and not associated with any party or group -- of people deciding to take matters into their own hands because they do not agree with the law or the government or authority.

Now, when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah building, no one supported that. But with this event over the weekend, you have to wonder if there isn't some significant (tiny, but significant) number of people out there who secretly applaud this.
 
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I'm saying you have a hissy fit about Limbaugh, Drudge, Hannity when they use misleading titles or exaggerate connections between people and certain groups or infer connections that aren't apparent.

Your title said "conservative" which is a broad description but implies Republican. Nowhere in the linked article is that term used and there are many anti-government groups that are more closely aligned with liberals than with conservatives.

In short, you pulled a Limbaugh/Hannity and I find it amusing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not having a "hissy fit." I am just thinking that this could be the first of a string -- unorganized and not associated with any party or group -- of people deciding to take matters into their own hands because they do not agree with the law or the government or authority.

Now, when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah building, no one supported that. But with this event over the weekend, you have to wonder if there isn't some significant (tiny, but significant) number of people out there who secretly applaud this.
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and what if there are? How many liberals would love to see Cheney or Rush Limbaugh meet a violent end? How many liberals rejoiced at the death of Tony Snow?
 
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lawgator1 said:
But with this event over the weekend, you have to wonder if there isn't some significant (tiny, but significant) number of people out there who secretly applaud this.
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You mean Republicans?

Of course there are people that applaud this. There are people that applaud any action. By tying any support of this to a broad ideology like you did in the title is exactly what the commentators you detest so much do.
 
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Didn't people in North Carolina keep Eric Rudolph provisioned for awhile? Sure, there are people who would give aid and comfort to this murderer because they think he's a hero based on thier shared beliefs. There are plenty of leftists who have done and would do the same thing for members of the Weather Underground and similar groups. As long as the vast majority of us believe in the rule of law and all will be well. Take that away from people and you'd better be prepared to put down a revolution.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm saying you have a hissy fit about Limbaugh, Drudge, Hannity when they use misleading titles or exaggerate connections between people and certain groups or infer connections that aren't apparent.

Your title said "conservative" which is a broad description but implies Republican. Nowhere in the linked article is that term used and there are many anti-government groups that are more closely aligned with liberals than with conservatives.

In short, you pulled a Limbaugh/Hannity and I find it amusing.
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and what if there are? How many liberals would love to see Cheney or Rush Limbaugh meet a violent end? How many liberals rejoiced at the death of Tony Snow?
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volinbham said:
You mean Republicans?

Of course there are people that applaud this. There are people that applaud any action. By tying any support of this to a broad ideology like you did in the title is exactly what the commentators you detest so much do.
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LOL, now you guys, who are saying that I am overgeneralizing things, claim that I'm implying that "Republicans" support this guy. I think the part where I kept saying that its not a party or a group or a leader should take care of that.

And actually, these Freemen folks would never be associated with any mainstream party.

I do think that the alarmist rhetoric of the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Boortz is not helping things. Its over the top. Its fear mongering. It panders to the worst instincts in people. And i do fear that some nut is going to get pushed over the line by them.

But its a far cry from "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
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As I recall, the Libertarians put the requirement that all members of the party must disavow armed insurrection because they were afraid that the militia people/freemen of the early 1990s were going to take over their organization. Does anyone remember the Constitutional Party? Now that I think about it, last time we had a Democrat president is when all of these nuts came out of the pantry.
 
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lawgator1 said:
LOL, now you guys, who are saying that I am overgeneralizing things, claim that I'm implying that "Republicans" support this guy. I think the part where I kept saying that its not a party or a group or a leader should take care of that.

Why did you use "conservative" in the title? What was your purpose of using that term? It wasn't in the article you linked.


I do think that the alarmist rhetoric of the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Boortz is not helping things. Its over the top. Its fear mongering. It panders to the worst instincts in people. And i do fear that some nut is going to get pushed over the line by them.

But its a far cry from "fire" in a crowded theater.
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Do you feel the same about the alarmist rhetoric we heard all during the Bush years from the left and continue to hear from them? Is it just right leaning folk that are susceptible to such rhetoric?
 
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O'Reilly said Tiller had a special place in hell, ran a death mill,and was Hitlerian.
 
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lawgator1 said:
O'Reilly said Tiller had a special place in hell, ran a death mill,and was Hitlerian.
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A comparison to Hitler? Where have I heard that before? Oh, that's right. It was the idiot left's favorite salvo at Bush.
 
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hey LG, will the leftist sites like Kos take responsibility for this? They're notably anti-military when they're not using the military as a sympathetic prop to criticize Bush.

Recruiter shot dead outside Army office - USATODAY.com

A Muslim convert who said he was opposed to the U.S. military shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station, killing one, police said Monday.

"This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's why he did what he did," Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said in a phone interview.

"He has converted to (Islam) here in the past few years," Hastings said. "We're not completely clear on what he was upset about. He had never been in the military.
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MG1968 said:
the same way that Tiller's death is connected to the "alarming rhetoric" of Bill O'Reilly.
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When you go around, gallivanting the phrase, "Tiller the Baby Killer", and saying he murders babies, you do play a part in this man's death. Maybe not a large part. Most likely very minuscule in the grand spectrum of things. But you do play a part in the violence against pro-life groups and abortionists. You've had a small part that created that climate.

Look, O'Reilly can say whatever he wants, but he needs to reap the consequences of what he sow. Even if it is just 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of things.
 
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