Doctor killer a member of conservative group

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nickknx865 said:
When you go around, gallivanting the phrase, "Tiller the Baby Killer", and saying he murders babies, you do play a part in this man's death. Maybe not a large part. Most likely very minuscule in the grand spectrum of things. But you do play a part in the violence against pro-life groups and abortionists. You've had a small part that created that climate..
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This is absurd. By this logic and given the 6 degrees of separation principle, we have all had a small part in every murder that has ever occurred during our lifetimes.
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lawgator1 said:
Did a little more research on this in the last little bit. Turns out there is a history of FOX News being involved in targeting Tiller. YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Coined the Phrase "Tiller The Baby Killer"

There are other examples. I will try to post them.

This is the alarming rhetoric I am talking about.
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It's just like all or those hardcore righties of yore calling our returning troops baby killlers. Those conservatives will fla out call one a baby killer.
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BigPapaVol said:
This is absurd. By this logic and given the 6 degrees of separation principle, we have all had a small part in every murder that has ever occurred during our lifetimes.
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I'm not saying it's a direct causation from O'Reilly and Fox News. It's actually isn't a cause and effect situation, but rather more like a crystallization around the issue as a whole.
 
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nickknx865 said:
I'm not saying it's a direct causation from O'Reilly and Fox News. It's actually isn't a cause and effect situation, but rather more like a crystallization around the issue as a whole.
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He had nothing to so with it, just like the damn Germans. Guys willing to kill abortion doctors don't need to be informed about the sleaziest of the abortion provider lot.
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BigPapaVol said:
He had nothing to so with it, just like the damn Germans. Guys willing to kill abortion doctors don't need to be informed about the sleaziest of the abortion provider lot.
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While true, to say that it doesn't fan the flames is a bit naive.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Well I'm saying it. We're talking about a man willing to kill over the issue. His flame needed no fanning.
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Some people need a little push to finally get them over the edge enough to kill someone.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It isn't a TV segment.
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You, nor I, know that. I'm not saying that Bill O'Reilly, or Fox News is the direct cause and reason Tiller is dead. But they could have some sort of crystallization effect on the extremist movement of the pro-Life movement(ironic that a pro-lifer killed someone, isn't it?)
 
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nickknx865 said:
You, nor I, know that. I'm not saying that Bill O'Reilly, or Fox News is the direct cause and reason Tiller is dead. But they could have some sort of crystallization effect on the extremist movement of the pro-Life movement(ironic that a pro-lifer killed someone, isn't it?)
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Congrats, you've now approached the LG level in causal relationship identification.
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#38
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nickknx865 said:
When you go around, gallivanting the phrase, "Tiller the Baby Killer", and saying he murders babies, you do play a part in this man's death. Maybe not a large part. Most likely very minuscule in the grand spectrum of things. But you do play a part in the violence against pro-life groups and abortionists. You've had a small part that created that climate.

Look, O'Reilly can say whatever he wants, but he needs to reap the consequences of what he sow. Even if it is just 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of things.
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I saw the segment that is in question here. O'Reilly was pointing out that this man was skirting the law with the help of his campaign donations to the right politicians and raking in millions of dollars doing it. The simple fact is that most people in this country do view the late term abortions he was performing as morally objectionable at best and murder at the worst. There was no justification of the number of these procedures he was performing given the advances of modern medicine.

He was a despicable human being IMO, that being said he should not have been murdered but made to stand trial for breaking the law.
 
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nickknx865 said:
You, nor I, know that. I'm not saying that Bill O'Reilly, or Fox News is the direct cause and reason Tiller is dead. But they could have some sort of crystallization effect on the extremist movement of the pro-Life movement(ironic that a pro-lifer killed someone, isn't it?)
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stick to the weather
 
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It is far easier to castigate me for the claim that Fox or O'Reilly caused this (look carefully, I didn't say that) than it is to deal with the bigger picture argument I AM making, which is that the conservative commentators have reached a point in their shrillness where they are basically touting ignoring the rule of law.

A week ago, I heard Glenn Beck say that Obama was the single greatest threat to the ideals of our Founding Fathers since the 1780s. That's almost a direct quote. Now, you don't think that he's gone too far with that kind of thing?

And if O'Reilly slams this doctor for being Tiller the Baby Killer and says he has blood on his hands, he's not gone too far?

It is highly unlikely that a causal link can be found between O'Reilly's comments and this shooting. But to say that he is part of the general hue and cry seems perfeclty rational to me. And as this hue and cry continues to be based in hyperbole and scare tactics, and as those on the right move further to the right, it does concern me that we are going to see people taking things into their own hands more and more.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is far easier to castigate me for the claim that Fox or O'Reilly caused this (look carefully, I didn't say that) than it is to deal with the bigger picture argument I AM making, which is that the conservative commentators have reached a point in their shrillness where they are basically touting ignoring the rule of law.

A week ago, I heard Glenn Beck say that Obama was the single greatest threat to the ideals of our Founding Fathers since the 1780s. That's almost a direct quote. Now, you don't think that he's gone too far with that kind of thing?

And if O'Reilly slams this doctor for being Tiller the Baby Killer and says he has blood on his hands, he's not gone too far?

It is highly unlikely that a causal link can be found between O'Reilly's comments and this shooting. But to say that he is part of the general hue and cry seems perfeclty rational to me. And as this hue and cry continues to be based in hyperbole and scare tactics, and as those on the right move further to the right, it does concern me that we are going to see people taking things into their own hands more and more.
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I don't think they have reached your level, and no they are not.

Also, you listen to far more conservative and pseudo conservative talking heads than anyone I know.

Why does this concern you? The man made a choice, he will pay the price now. 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the populace has nothing to worry about in regards to an issue like this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A week ago, I heard Glenn Beck say that Obama was the single greatest threat to the ideals of our Founding Fathers since the 1780s. That's almost a direct quote. Now, you don't think that he's gone too far with that kind of thing?
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no
 
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KB5252 said:
He was a despicable human being IMO, that being said he should not have been murdered but made to stand trial for breaking the law.
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The sad part is that in this case having the guy and what he did go through all the extended hoopla of a trial would likely have been much more efficient than murdering him. As stated by others the overwhelming majority of people would not of liked this man or his practices and anyone trying to defend him would have found themselves in a precarious position.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A week ago, I heard Glenn Beck say that Obama was the single greatest threat to the ideals of our Founding Fathers since the 1780s. That's almost a direct quote. Now, you don't think that he's gone too far with that kind of thing?
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You can ask that after hearing some of the vitriol spewed at Bush? Really?
 
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hndog609 said:
You can ask that after hearing some of the vitriol spewed at Bush? Really?
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That he was a secret agent Muslim?

That he hated the country and was plotting with others in a conspiracy to ruin it?

No, I don't remember anything like that. Especially not in any sort of organized fashion by radio or tv commentators with millions listening.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That he was a secret agent Muslim?

That he hated the country and was plotting with others in a conspiracy to ruin it?

No, I don't remember anything like that. Especially not in any sort of organized fashion by radio or tv commentators with millions listening.
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No dufus. But he did have a secret racist hurricane making machine. He also organized 09/11, remember.
 
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