Doctor killer a member of conservative group

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hatvol96 said:
If not for his predecessor's galactic incompetence, the successor never gets the chance to inflict further damage.
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You assume he could not inflict damage on his own? And no one forced Obama to spend needlessly on items in no way related to the economy or stimulus. Examine the health plan to see proof as to inflicting damage without aid from Bush.
 
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"Failure" is not completely attributed to Bush. Failure was pretty universal from the GOP's perspective. A GOP controlled Congress lost due in large part to their own incompetence. Much of the disdain was for the GOP in general and NOT just Bush. If it were solely Bush, Congress would not have grown even greater to the advantage of the Dems.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
"Failure" is not completely attributed to Bush. Failure was pretty universal from the GOP's perspective. A GOP controlled Congress lost due in large part to their own incompetence. Much of the disdain was for the GOP in general and NOT just Bush. If it were solely Bush, Congress would not have grown even greater to the advantage of the Dems.
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in large part it was the GOP's slide to the left (read "moderate") that doomed it to the fiasco of 2006 and further beatdown in 2008. "Moderate" Republicans, the species that Meghan McCain and Colin Powell want more of in the party, are the problem, not it's salvation.

btw, cspin, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just focusing on the root causes.
 
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I think this notion of moving to the left and moderates taking over is overhyped. If anything, it was the typically conservative types who dropped the ball on standing on principles. It wasn't a move to the left. It was a spinelessness that allowed the Democrats to take a few moderates to pass leftist agendas. Maybe we're discussing semantics but the card carrying conservatives were right there with the rest voting for larger government and more spending. Look at some of the biggest spenders in Congress and you see them as some of the voices of conservatism. Not to mention you had talk radio basically chastise any true grassroots conservative who dared speak out against the beloved Bush, Boehner, and the rest of the getalong gang. Talk radio shirked their duty in holding conservatives and the GOP accountable as well. Basically those at fault are the ones still calling the shots and who the right is still depending on for 'leadership'.
 
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as a regular talk radio listener, I don't ever recall anybody cheerleading the massive spending that the GOP engaged in. Education spending, immigration, the prescription entitlement program, campaign finance reform all found talk radio at odds with the GOP in Washington DC.

You're right though, and I'm sure we both share the same cynicism when "leaders" like Boehner seem to have had a "come to Jesus" epiphany and have suddenly found their conservatism. Even Eric Kantor has been disappointing.
 
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Believe me. Talk radio ONLY made a difference on the immigration issue. They did not cheer on the other efforts but did nothing even remote in comparison to the immigration issue. Had the same level of activism existed all 8 years of Bush as was displayed then, we'd be living in different conditions with the WH and Congress. When Bush had talking heads gathered in the WH during the immigration debate, that was a sign this group was doing their job. The other issues that basically put us in a hole? Nothing remote in comparison.

Boehner is still a spineless leech. It's easy to have a 'come to Jesus' epiphany when you are effectively emasculated politically. He can be as far right as he wants because right now he is nothing. He was a cause of the problem. Had the conservatives left been smart, they would have booted him day after the election.

As another example here in GA we have two Senators who are as weak-knee'd as you can get. Isakson deserves to get the boot. Chambliss deserved it last time. He is as pathetic as the other RINO's and ran the lousiest campaign anyone could ever design. The GOP only has Obama to hope for to retake Congress. The ones in now are still corrupt and passive. Many were flushed out but still many remain and are unfortunately still in leadership positions. And with Steele running the RNC, you'll see the same crap continuing.

So basically, you'll hear the company line being far right and very conservative. Again, they can do that when it benefits them. They are career politicians bent on survival in their roles. To stay in leadership they will dance to the beat of the restless natives to get money and approval. And like the last 8 years, right after the election, they move back to their wicked ways. McConnell and Boehner deserve a boot. Romney is right there in the mix with his 'seen the light' nonsense trying to win the WH in 2012.
 
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droski said:
please explain how bush imploded the us economy?
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Pretty sure a fair amount of money was wasted in his mindless "He Tried To Kill My Daddy!!!" war. Further, I'm certain he was the head of the executive branch when the Fed and it's mortgage arms sat blindly by while the subprime mess festered.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Pretty sure a fair amount of money was wasted in his mindless "He Tried To Kill My Daddy!!!" war. Further, I'm certain he was the head of the executive branch when the Fed and it's mortgage arms sat blindly by while the subprime mess festered.
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first off the war on iraq did not hurt the economy. it could be argued (and it's probably accurate) that by massively increasing our deficit that in the future it will hurt our economy, but in the short run if anything it helped the economy by increasing government spending.

as for the subprime mess there is plenty of blame to go around. the housing bubble was in full steam when bush took office due mostly to fed policy during the clinton years keeping interest rates at artificially low levels. democrats in congress forced fannie and freddie to massively increase the number of people who could qualify for homes. housing prices rose for 20 years straight and people got cocky and assumed it would never end. that's hardly bush's fault, that's more human psychology.

bush i'm sure didn't see the magnitude of the problem quickly enough, but who the hell could? and if he did what could have been done about it? the guy was a crappy president, but blaming the current economy on bush is pretty darn stupid. the US economy really isn't as controllable as people seem to think it is.
 
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droski said:
first off the war on iraq did not hurt the economy.
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Yeah, because diverting attention and resources to a campaign whose only real purpose was his family's vindication and spending dollars that could have been used to improve a decrepit infrastructure are nver harmful to an economy.
 
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droski said:
first off the war on iraq did not hurt the economy. it could be argued (and it's probably accurate) that by massively increasing our deficit that in the future it will hurt our economy, but in the short run if anything it helped the economy by increasing government spending.

as for the subprime mess there is plenty of blame to go around. the housing bubble was in full steam when bush took office due mostly to fed policy during the clinton years keeping interest rates at artificially low levels. democrats in congress forced fannie and freddie to massively increase the number of people who could qualify for homes. housing prices rose for 20 years straight and people got cocky and assumed it would never end. that's hardly bush's fault, that's more human psychology.

bush i'm sure didn't see the magnitude of the problem quickly enough, but who the hell could? and if he did what could have been done about it? the guy was a crappy president, but blaming the current economy on bush is pretty darn stupid. the US economy really isn't as controllable as people seem to think it is.
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Barney Frank thought Freddie and Fannie were doing a great job
 
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droski said:
first off the war on iraq did not hurt the economy. it could be argued (and it's probably accurate) that by massively increasing our deficit that in the future it will hurt our economy, but in the short run if anything it helped the economy by increasing government spending.

as for the subprime mess there is plenty of blame to go around. the housing bubble was in full steam when bush took office due mostly to fed policy during the clinton years keeping interest rates at artificially low levels. democrats in congress forced fannie and freddie to massively increase the number of people who could qualify for homes. housing prices rose for 20 years straight and people got cocky and assumed it would never end. that's hardly bush's fault, that's more human psychology.

bush i'm sure didn't see the magnitude of the problem quickly enough, but who the hell could? and if he did what could have been done about it? the guy was a crappy president, but blaming the current economy on bush is pretty darn stupid. the US economy really isn't as controllable as people seem to think it is.
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Remind me which party had control of Congress from 1994-2006.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Pretty sure a fair amount of money was wasted in his mindless "He Tried To Kill My Daddy!!!" war. Further, I'm certain he was the head of the executive branch when the Fed and it's mortgage arms sat blindly by while the subprime mess festered.
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You should get back to proving your assertion of his racism. Maybe you shouldn't, you look at least moderately sane arguing his incompetence.
 
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allvol123 said:
You should get back to proving your assertion of his racism. Maybe you shouldn't, you look at least moderately sane arguing his incompetence.
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Just because people are either stupid or jingoistic enough to think the Iraq War has the first thing to do with American interests doesn't make it true. Further, I'm pretty sure a President with a sympathetic Congress, which President Jethro had for most of his tenure, should be able to address regulatory shortcomings.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Just because people are either stupid or jingoistic enough to think the Iraq War has the first thing to do with American interests doesn't make it true. Further, I'm pretty sure a President with a sympathetic Congress, which President Jethro had for most of his tenure, should be able to address regulatory shortcomings.
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I asked about his racism. What does any of the above have to do with that? I don't need to get into conversations about his incompetence, the idiotic voting public, Iraq, economy, etc. I don't consider any of your points on those outrageous. The racism point, as of now, I do consider outrageous. How do Nagin and Blanco get away with being incompetent, but he gets tagged racist?
 
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allvol123 said:
I asked about his racism. What does any of the above have to do with that? I don't need to get into conversations about his incompetence, the idiotic voting public, Iraq, economy, etc. I don't consider any of your points on those outrageous. The racism point, as of now, I do consider outrageous. How do Nagin and Blanco get away with being incompetent, but he gets tagged racist?
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I couldn't care less what you find outrageous. Find me a single civil rights law Bush didn't try to gut and we'll have a discussion. From a practical standpoint, it's totally irrelevant anyways. Minority voters, who will soon enough actually comprise the greatest part of the electorate, believe Bush and the GOP to be racists. That's that really matters. The GOP will still stand around babbling about how we shouldn't spend money to rebuild New Orleans, while never opening their lily white mouths when funds go to aid flooded out hicks in Iowa or tornado bashed rubes in Kansas. All the while, they become more and more irrelevant.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I couldn't care less what you find outrageous. Find me a single civil rights law Bush didn't try to gut and we'll have a discussion. From a practical standpoint, it's totally irrelevant anyways. Minority voters, who will soon enough actually comprise the greatest part of the electorate, believe Bush and the GOP to be racists. That's that really matters. The GOP will still stand around babbling about how we shouldn't spend money to rebuild New Orleans, while never opening their lily white mouths when funds go to aid flooded out hicks in Iowa or tornado bashed rubes in Kansas. All the while, they become more and more irrelevant.
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You also couldn't care less about backing up your assertion. As shown by yet another post that wanders off into generalizing about everything other than what you stated.
 
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allvol123 said:
You also couldn't care less about backing up your assertion. As shown by yet another post that wanders off into generalizing about everything other than what you stated.
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Anyone whose primary accomplishment in office is the appointment of two rabidly anti Affirmative Action Supreme Court justices puts themself in the position of having to deal with being labeled a racist. A guy who, as Governor of Texas, oversees the execution of an undebatably mentally incompetent African American makes it easy to call them a racist. A person who admits to being stunned by the poverty in New Orleans opens himself up to legitimate questions about whether or not he gives the first damn about people of color. He was what he was. A pampered halfwit born with a silver boot in his mouth, raised in such bastions of diversity as his family's estates in the northeast and Texas. I don't blame him for not having the first clue about the plight of minorities in this country. He had cocaine to snort, Air Guard responsibilities to shirk, and baseball teams to help guide to mediocrity in his formative years. He didn't have time to take a look at the world around him.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Anyone whose primary accomplishment in office is the appointment of two rabidly anti Affirmative Action Supreme Court justices puts themself in the position of having to deal with being labeled a racist. A guy who, as Governor of Texas, oversees the execution of an undebatably mentally incompetent African American makes it easy to call them a racist. A person who admits to being stunned by the poverty in New Orleans opens himself up to legitimate questions about whether or not he gives the first damn about people of color. He was what he was. A pampered halfwit born with a silver boot in his mouth, raised in such bastions of diversity as his family's estates in the northeast and Texas. I don't blame him for not having the first clue about the plight of minorities in this country. He had cocaine to snort, Air Guard responsibilities to shirk, and baseball teams to help guide to mediocrity in his formative years. He didn't have time to take a look at the world around him.
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Predictable because of consistency.
 
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hatvol96 said:
No more consistent than your placing your right wing head straight up your uber conservative arse.
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Incorrect. Why would an uber conservative feel the need to stick up for Bush? He is not uber conservative. I see plenty of his failings and feel no need to defend them or him. Technically I am not defending him here, just looking for you to present some semblance of reasoning for your assertion. Obvious that isn't going to happen.
 
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