Does anyone really think this incoming recruiting class will be that good?

[VolFreakJosh]

Honest question, does anyone on here believe that this incoming class will be special as they say it is? Sure, they're good players but lets not forget, we are losing most of our players after this season so next year could actually be worse for us if Martin is retained. (Which I hope to goodness he isn't) Does anyone think this incoming class is a little overrated?

 

[knowthevols]

4 three stars? How good can you expect?

 

[YankeeVol]

Good enough for Pearl to coach up.

 

[colvol]

I've watched a lot of film on them. Cornish and Austin are very underrated guys IMO. Cornish is very impressive, gets to the rim at will. Cofer is a freak athlete, and while Turman is a bit raw offensively, he's a great rebounder and defensive guy.

While Martin has made questionable picks on certain guys (Matheiu and Faybion Harris), these guys seem solid. Martin has done a decent job of developing guys when they get here also.

 

[BadJerry20]

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[utvolkyle06]

I've watched a lot of film on them. Cornish and Austin are very underrated guys IMO. Cornish is very impressive, gets to the rim at will. Cofer is a freak athlete, and while Turman is a bit raw offensively, he's a great rebounder and defensive guy.

While Martin has made questionable picks on certain guys (Matheiu and Faybion Harris), these guys seem solid. Martin has done a decent job of developing guys when they get here also.

Really, decent job of player development? Not sure I agree with that.

 

[vols 30]

Biggest problem with Martin is his lazy recruiting. He is a horrible talent evaluator, and settles for projects. Maybe this group is different, but based on Martin's past, I'm not feeling that confident.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Really, decent job of player development? Not sure I agree with that.

Stokes, McRae, and Richardson are all significantly better than when they arrived on campus. Armani Moore continues to improve. I would say CCM has done a good job of developing players. They just don't seem to have progressed as much as a unit.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Honest question, does anyone on here believe that this incoming class will be special as they say it is? Sure, they're good players but lets not forget, we are losing most of our players after this season so next year could actually be worse for us if Martin is retained. (Which I hope to goodness he isn't) Does anyone think this incoming class is a little overrated?

Dude - we are rated the 49th best recruiting class in the country. These guys are not highly rated and we will be much much worse.

Look who is on the bench this year and imagine them starting next season. Ugggggg

 

[colvol]

Really, decent job of player development? Not sure I agree with that.

Besides Yemi and Washpun. Every guy he brought here got better. Even Reese and Q are better then they were. I didn't say great, I said decent.

 

[Gramps]

Stokes, McRae, and Richardson are all significantly better than when they arrived on campus. Armani Moore continues to improve. [BI would say CCM has done a good job of developing players. They just don't seem to have progressed as much as a unit[/B].

Teaching the players to play as a unit is part of the development process that Martin fails at.

 

[cncchris33]

Honest question, does anyone on here believe that this incoming class will be special as they say it is? Sure, they're good players but lets not forget, we are losing most of our players after this season so next year could actually be worse for us if Martin is retained. (Which I hope to goodness he isn't) Does anyone think this incoming class is a little overrated?

Who is calling this class special? I think that there are 2 solid players, and 2 projects with upside, but I've not seen anyone calling it a special class. Maybe I missed it though.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Besides Yemi and Washpun. Every guy he brought here got better. Even Reese and Q are better then they were. I didn't say great, I said decent.

I hope the powers that be are aiming for better than decent with this program.

At best, Cuonzo is decent across the board in recruiting and player development. And I am not sure I buy that either.

I think simply getting into college level strength and conditioning programs can add some level of improvement to their games.

One thing is for sure though, this team has no clue what to do once the ball is in their hands. They may be developing athletically but the collective basketball IQ is terrible.

 

[InVOLuntary]

They may be better individually and whether Cuonzo and crew are responsible for that is debatable but, what's not debatable is they're not developing as a team. They seem to be regressing or at least NOT progressing.

 

[cncchris33]

They may be better individually and whether Cuonzo and crew are responsible for that is debatable but, what's not debatable is they're not developing as a team. They seem to be regressing or at least NOT progressing.

I agree. Stokes, McRae, Maymon, and JRich have all improved under Martin's watch individually. As a team though, they are the same today as they were at this point two years ago. A few pieces have changed, but wholly speaking, the majority of contributors on this team have played together for three seasons, and yet, we find ourselves in familiar territory headed into March.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Teaching the players to play as a unit is part of the development process that Martin fails at.

I agree. But that was not the statement I responded to. The statement I responded to stated there had been no player development under CCM. Virtually every player has developed under CCM, he has simply failed to create a cohesive unit.

 

[germanicus]

Who is calling this class special? I think that there are 2 solid players, and 2 projects with upside, but I've not seen anyone calling it a special class. Maybe I missed it though.

This ^^^

Austin could be the best recruit for CCM other than Stokes. I think he takes the starting PG spot early on in practice and Thompson backs up the point and wing.

Cofer almost has to be your starting center, but he'll struggle some as he'll be undersized and a freshman.

Cornish and Turman - Both will struggle with adjustment. Cornish apparently played in a really weak league in high school and is another one of CCM's tweeners. Better than Chievous, but not as good as Richardson. Like his attitude, though.

Turman will look impressive walking through the airport, but is pretty passive on the court. Really needs a coach who can light him up night after night and I'm not thinking CCM is the guy to do that. Probably a couple of years away from being a contributor.

 

[Stoked]

Austin and Cofer are 4 stars. Cornish and Turman won't be contributors right away but should be solid 4 year players. I see Turman as a Kenny Hall type with a better attitude. But Auston is just the type of pg Pearl needs...BBB

 

[volboy81]

I don't know how good theses incoming players are but I bet they hope Bruce will be their coach! Martin's in-game coaching ability is awful! Last night we were getting it inside time & again and we quit doing it. MSU adjusted but there again, their ability to adjust vs our inability to! We've won 3 SEC road games this year & should have won 4, but Counzo called time out!

 

[Shaun1985]

No game changers but solid players. Josh will be the leader but I don't think he's good enough to take over at will.

 

[Stoked]

No game changers but solid players. Josh will be the leader but I don't think he's good enough to take over at will.

I like Richardson a lot but he isn't good enough offensively to be the leader of the team and take over games, like you said. He disappears in road games. Went 1 for 9 last night.

 

[Fijivol72]

Lazy coach, lazy recruiter, lazy talker, and lazy conditioning equals very bad results. Dooley and Martin enjoyed the perks and thoughts of being a HC but their recruiting was bad because they didn't put in the effort needed. Just plain outworked by competing coaches.

 

[k-town_king]

This class is very average.

 

[Stoked]

Lazy coach, lazy recruiter, lazy talker, and lazy conditioning equals very bad results. Dooley and Martin enjoyed the perks and thoughts of being a HC but their recruiting was bad because they didn't put in the effort needed. Just plain outworked by competing coaches.

I agree with all of those except lazy recruiter. He has pulled in two 5 stars and was really close to getting 2 more. What stopped him was his playing style and lack of tourney experience. His in game coaching is awful but his recruiting isn't bad IMO.

 

[Kusotate]

Austin and Cofer are 4 stars. Cornish and Turman won't be contributors right away but should be solid 4 year players. I see Turman as a Kenny Hall type with a better attitude. But Auston is just the type of pg Pearl needs...BBB

Cofer is a 3* per Scout, Rivals, and 247.
Austin is a 3* per Scout and Rivals; but 247 has him as a 4* but a composite 3*.