Does anyone think that we will be back to being a top 5 team in the next few years?

#51
#51
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
With Fulmer as coach: No.
With Cut as coach: Yes.

5-10 record against top 10 teams at home since 2000. Our home field advantage has been eroded. Discipline problems (Banks, Washington, Lee Smith). Richt and (insert current Florida coach) own Fulmer. UF and UGA now recruit at least as good (and better last year) then us. Fulmer cant win the big game unless its on the road. And if we're playing in the Georgia Dome, its over.

The fact of the matter is Fulmer rode Manning's coattails. Manning put us back on the map, but once that talent left (the freshmen from Manning's last year in '97 were mostly gone by '01, our last great season, coincidence?) we've fallen back to a top 20 team. For a program that has so many advantages (huge stadium, tradition, playing in the mountains and by a freaking river, huge following) we should be better then this.

Whats Fulmer's record against Florida, and against Richt? Nuff said.

Coach Cut brings the drive and demands the respect that a head coach should bring. Im hoping one of the reasons he came back is because the AD said something to the effect of "one more bad season by Fulmer and the job is yours".
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Yeah, Cutcliffe really dominated at Ole Miss. Also I didn't realize that "playing in the mountains" was an advantage.
 
#52
#52
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
With Fulmer as coach: No.
With Cut as coach: Yes.

5-10 record against top 10 teams at home since 2000. Our home field advantage has been eroded. Discipline problems (Banks, Washington, Lee Smith). Richt and (insert current Florida coach) own Fulmer. UF and UGA now recruit at least as good (and better last year) then us. Fulmer cant win the big game unless its on the road. And if we're playing in the Georgia Dome, its over.

The fact of the matter is Fulmer rode Manning's coattails. Manning put us back on the map, but once that talent left (the freshmen from Manning's last year in '97 were mostly gone by '01, our last great season, coincidence?) we've fallen back to a top 20 team. For a program that has so many advantages (huge stadium, tradition, playing in the mountains and by a freaking river, huge following) we should be better then this.

Whats Fulmer's record against Florida, and against Richt? Nuff said.

Coach Cut brings the drive and demands the respect that a head coach should bring. Im hoping one of the reasons he came back is because the AD said something to the effect of "one more bad season by Fulmer and the job is yours".
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Didn't Cutcliffe ride those same coattails to get his first head coaching job? Didn't he get fired when the coattails of the youngest Manning ran threadbare?
 
#53
#53
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
With Fulmer as coach: No.
With Cut as coach: Yes.

5-10 record against top 10 teams at home since 2000. Our home field advantage has been eroded. Discipline problems (Banks, Washington, Lee Smith). Richt and (insert current Florida coach) own Fulmer. UF and UGA now recruit at least as good (and better last year) then us. Fulmer cant win the big game unless its on the road. And if we're playing in the Georgia Dome, its over.

The fact of the matter is Fulmer rode Manning's coattails. Manning put us back on the map, but once that talent left (the freshmen from Manning's last year in '97 were mostly gone by '01, our last great season, coincidence?) we've fallen back to a top 20 team. For a program that has so many advantages (huge stadium, tradition, playing in the mountains and by a freaking river, huge following) we should be better then this.

Whats Fulmer's record against Florida, and against Richt? Nuff said.

Coach Cut brings the drive and demands the respect that a head coach should bring. Im hoping one of the reasons he came back is because the AD said something to the effect of "one more bad season by Fulmer and the job is yours".
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here we go again :ermm:


oh and law gator , our wide recivers are just as good as yours, but they are differnt types, not just speed guys, even though we have some speed there, but our guys are bigger more physical possesion types. oh and as for percey harvin, he did alot against us didnt he ??? :whistling: :peace2: yes i know you won, but MOST gator fans to hear them talk you would think it was a blow out. 2 even matched teams, you just got the last break, and in closing if florida is a top 5 team so are we, there is no reason to think we are not every bit as good as they are, even though they were better than i thought.
 
#54
#54
Yeah, Cutcliffe really dominated at Ole Miss
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When is the next time you'll see an Ole Miss team ranked as high as 13 and play for a chance to go to the SEC CG? And everyone knows they panicked and chased him out after one bad season. Why else would ND and UT both want him?
 
#55
#55
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Cutcliffe really dominated at Ole Miss. Also I didn't realize that "playing in the mountains" was an advantage.
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hatvol96 said:
Didn't Cutcliffe ride those same coattails to get his first head coaching job? Didn't he get fired when the coattails of the youngest Manning ran threadbare?
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Cutcliffe did very well at Ole miss, for Ole Miss...this debate has been hashed out many times, and i know how you feel about it...so i'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, but he did get a raw deal there, when you compare where Ole Miss was compared to where they were while he was there.

and the manning coattails thing is a bit overplayed...yeah, they were both great talents, but it's been well documented that both of them, including papa Archie credit Cutcliffe with the tutelage of them both.

Having said that, i don't know that Ole Miss goes to the Cotton bowl with out Eli Manning. That i have no problem in conceding.
 
#57
#57
OWB said:
Not this year, that's for sure..:birgits_giggle:
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yeah, it makes you wonder how the admin in Oxford feel about the Big O rightnow....? recruiting class not withstanding, they are a bad football team.
 
#58
#58
jakez4ut said:
Cutcliffe did very well at Ole miss, for Ole Miss...this debate has been hashed out many times, and i know how you feel about it...so i'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, but he did get a raw deal there, when you compare where Ole Miss was compared to where they were while he was there.

and the manning coattails thing is a bit overplayed...yeah, they were both great talents, but it's been well documented that both of them, including papa Archie credit Cutcliffe with the tutelage of them both.

Having said that, i don't know that Ole Miss goes to the Cotton bowl with out Eli Manning. That i have no problem in conceding.
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Exactly how good was Ole Miss in Cutcliffe's last year? In a word, awful. Six years into his tenure there, the roster was completely bereft of talent. That's an indication of what kind of head coach Mini-Fulmer was.
 
#59
#59
hatvol96 said:
Exactly how good was Ole Miss in Cutcliffe's last year? In a word, awful. Six years into his tenure there, the roster was completely bereft of talent. That's an indication of what kind of head coach Mini-Fulmer was.
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as awful as that last year was, there were 5 years of post season play before that....5 consecutive years to boot. a feat that no Ole Miss head coach had accomplished since like the 40's or something.

it just depends on what you want to focus on with his tenure at Ole Miss. it could be argued either way, both have valid points. and neither can be ingorned imo. Was Ole Miss in a better position than when he got there? it could be argued that yes, it was. and the 5 consecutive bowl games, 1st New Year's day bowl in more than a decade, are points that could back that up.

now, when he left, was it in better shape? i would tend to say no. they had an awful year his last season, and based on the last couple of years performance on the feild, it's reasonable to speculate that Cut would have had similar records with the talent that was on hand.

but at the end of the day, the run he had, was significant, at least by Ole Miss standards.
 
#60
#60
orange_fan_inVa said:
here we go again :ermm:


oh and law gator , our wide recivers are just as good as yours, but they are differnt types, not just speed guys, even though we have some speed there, but our guys are bigger more physical possesion types. oh and as for percey harvin, he did alot against us didnt he ??? :whistling: :peace2: yes i know you won, but MOST gator fans to hear them talk you would think it was a blow out. 2 even matched teams, you just got the last break, and in closing if florida is a top 5 team so are we, there is no reason to think we are not every bit as good as they are, even though they were better than i thought.
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`i think florida will get their first loss this season this weekend why u ask? bama owns florida nuff said.
 
#62
#62
allvol123 said:
Using this thought process, AF is only one point away from being at UT's level.
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Yes, maybe they are....this is college football....as I recall, Air Force wasn't leading us by ten points going into the fourth quarter....
 
#63
#63
Also, applying the one-point analysis, UT is a point short of being at UF's level. UT has to do something about the line play ASAP.
 
#64
#64
Bama doesn't have a chance of beating FLA. Whatever happened last year or the years before that is irrelevant. The fact is that Bama not a good team this year (just look at the near losses against Hawaii and Vandy in Tuscaloosa) and FLA will come out and beat Bama by at least three TDs.
 
#65
#65
jakez4ut said:
yes, we can be a top 5 program in the next few years. Problem is, so can 4-6 other SEC teams over the same time span. Problem no. 2 is we need to get some depth. we going to gain a lot of experience this year, but we need to back that up over the next two years or so with some recruiting that we're more used to seeeing...top 5 and 10 classes.

Our biggest problem right now is we don't have the flexibility to be able to rotate on the front 7 like we've had in the past (so they're not fresh the entire game, which i think is part of our late game collapses of late), and we are not very talented on O line nor are we deep.

And that would get us back to where we could compete at the top 5-10 level. that's where LSU, Auburn, UF, UGA are right now. US, BAma and USC and ARK are all trying to catch up right now. We have an advantage over the other three in that list imo, beause we aren't that far removed from any "glory" days, and it's obvious to see we are back on the rise...we just aren't "there".

so again, even if we do get back to that level, and i think we will, there will be 3-5 teams there waiting on us that are already there in our own conference. then it will get real interesting.
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I agree with you completely....the only caveat that I would add is that in college football success and failure are different sides of the same sword...the same team with roughly the same players can go from great to mediocre within one season or vice versa....ultimately these are just kids...with the mentality that we had last year...we might be 1-3 right now instead of 3-1. LSU, Auburn, UF and UGA could experience any number of "bad bounces" and go from winning to losing within one season. I think that I sense, see, feel whatever you want to call it a changing of the wind. I think that the team that we have right now is poised for some great things....If I am wrong then I am wrong. Ultimately, I think that Phillip Fulmer is a winner and I believe that he will right the ship and take Tennessee back to a National Championship.
 
#66
#66
Vol_4_Life said:
Bama doesn't have a chance of beating FLA. Whatever happened last year or the years before that is irrelevant. The fact is that Bama not a good team this year (just look at the near losses against Hawaii and Vandy in Tuscaloosa) and FLA will come out and beat Bama by at least three TDs.
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I tend to disagree with you. I think that history is a great predictor of how the game will go. Just like Florida always seems to have our number no matter which team is "more talented"...I think the same thing holds true for Alabama against Florida... Alabama always seems to bring their A+++ game when they play Florida...On paper, I agree with you...in reality...I wouldn't discount history too much....
 
#69
#69
We have a tremendous amount of talented young players, remember we had the #1 recruiting class in the nation a couple years ago. Top 5 here we come!
 
#70
#70
rwemyss said:
I also forgot Josh Briscoe, Quintin Hancock, and Slick Shelley. Hancock is a freshman that has been VERY impressive in practice all around. Briscoe and Shelley are very quick, the rest of their game just needs to come around.

The Vols have speed at WR.
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Shelley is not quick, he is the slowest of the receivers as mentioned as why he hasn't played since he's been here. He must get faster if he wants to play in Cut's offense.
 
#71
#71
how has Florida gotten "noticeably better" over the past few years when their records are 9-3, 7-5, 8-5, and 8-5 going back the last 4 years. Is that "better" to Florida fans or the unknowing? Florida hasn't done anything since 2001 when they just so happened to get beat by Tennessee and end up watching the SEC Championship game from home.

Florida hasn't done anything since 2000. They've also had a coaching change since that time. What exactly are they doing that's so great? They havn't even PLAYED in an SEC Championship game since they won it in 2000. Meanwhile, Tennessee has played in 2 and choked away one.

In contrast, Tennessee's record of the past 4 years is 5-6, 10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 11-2.......with last year's debacle being what it is, a meltdown and nothing more, being the exception, Tennessee has been considerably better than Florida, whether Fulmer has yet to beat Meyer or not. We've lost 2 in a row, but before that we WON 2 in a row.

I'd be happy to put forth any stats or debate anyone feels the need to have about this, but the reality is that Georgia is the only team that is above anyone in the East. Tennessee and Florida aren't above either of each other.

Get it straight, Florida isn't anything special.
 
#72
#72
What we do in the next 5 years depends on what happens at the OC position. If Cutcliffe hangs around, get ready for another run. If he doesn't, then who knows what will happen. It all depends on who replaces him. The last 2 years are perfect examples of how recruiting and fortune goes. In 2004 we aren't expected to do alot, and with what everyone called "Fulmer's greatest coaching job" behind him, we had a really good year and because of that, we had the #1 recruiting class by some. Then last year after all of the hype and then the meltdown, we had a below UT standards recruiting class and were written off and people were calling for Fulmer's head again......a year after possibly "his best coaching job ever".....irony.

The only thing that has changed in the SEC East NOW than 10 years ago is the emergence of Georgia. They hung around the role that Tennessee and Florida are playing now while we were taking turns winning the East. That 3rd power has come up and both teams have suffered. Coaching changes, bad coaching, and a few poor decisions play a role as well. Then there is the emergence of LSU and Auburn to dominance to replace Bama. The West was always up in the air back then and no one was on the level of UT and UF. That's different now. There are 4 top 10 sec schools and 5 top 15. Sometimes being Top 15 is acceptable. Ask 104 other schools if they'd have a problem being 15th.

The thing is, everyone is caught up in this USC and Texas craze where they have their weak conferences and Heisman Candidates and they're jealous and expect us to be there. We don't have Peyton Manning and we havn't had any legitimate Heisman Candidates in a long time, other than him. We aren't the "IN" thing anymore, but we aren't some flash in the pan like Miami obviously is.

All it takes is a little bit of luck, patience, and comprehension that you can't win it all or the SEC every year. We're good, we're always going to have a chance, and above all else, we're Tennessee!
 
#74
#74
NationofVols said:
how has Florida gotten "noticeably better" over the past few years when their records are 9-3, 7-5, 8-5, and 8-5 going back the last 4 years. Is that "better" to Florida fans or the unknowing? Florida hasn't done anything since 2001 when they just so happened to get beat by Tennessee and end up watching the SEC Championship game from home.

Florida hasn't done anything since 2000. They've also had a coaching change since that time. What exactly are they doing that's so great? They havn't even PLAYED in an SEC Championship game since they won it in 2000. Meanwhile, Tennessee has played in 2 and choked away one.

In contrast, Tennessee's record of the past 4 years is 5-6, 10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 11-2.......with last year's debacle being what it is, a meltdown and nothing more, being the exception, Tennessee has been considerably better than Florida, whether Fulmer has yet to beat Meyer or not. We've lost 2 in a row, but before that we WON 2 in a row.

I'd be happy to put forth any stats or debate anyone feels the need to have about this, but the reality is that Georgia is the only team that is above anyone in the East. Tennessee and Florida aren't above either of each other.

Get it straight, Florida isn't anything special.
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Boy, now I'm really PO'd that we have lost the last two years to such a sorry program!:BANGHEAD2:
 
#75
#75
Once we getting back to recruiting players out of Georgia. We need to get back in Georgia and get some of that talent.
 
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