Does Brian Kelly seem like a good coach to you, smh

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Escape Goat said:
Not many "fine" coaches start out 0-2 or 0-3 with a roster loaded with talent.
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It's a fluke that they lost the first two games, especially the first one. They're racking up over 500 yards a game; they've just had bad luck with the turnovers. I detest the Domers, but Kelly is a good football coach. I just think he's A) a jackass, and B) not possessed of the temperament you need to be the Domer coach. It's going to be funny to watch if te wheels come off.
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Vercingetorix said:
It's a fluke that they lost the first two games, especially the first one. They're racking up over 500 yards a game; they've just had bad luck with the turnovers. I detest the Domers, but Kelly is a good football coach. I just think he's A) a jackass, and B) not possessed of the temperament you need to be the Domer coach. It's going to be funny to watch if te wheels come off.
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It's more than turnovers. Miss St. had a turnover against Michigan and still beat them 52-14 last January.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's a fluke that they lost the first two games, especially the first one. They're racking up over 500 yards a game; they've just had bad luck with the turnovers. I detest the Domers, but Kelly is a good football coach. I just think he's A) a jackass, and B) not possessed of the temperament you need to be the Domer coach. It's going to be funny to watch if te wheels come off.
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I saw a few interviews and it seems most fans don't like KJelly. They are comparing him to Saban and Meyer and feel if they were at ND they would get all the top recruits so why can't kelly. Good point.
 
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Silly domers... Kelly can't recruit because south bend is a hole and hs kids were a gleam in their daddy's coin bag last time notre dame won anything
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milohimself said:
Silly domers... Kelly can't recruit because south bend is a hole and hs kids were a gleam in their daddy's coin bag last time notre dame won anything
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Since Dr. Lou. It seems as though at ND you have to have whomever is the absolute best coach of that era to succeed there. An average to really good coach can't win there. Not enough incentive to get the talent. Look at some of the tope coaches today. I bet Les Miles, Bob Stoops, or Mack Brown could win there. But they are at hot spots and have built in recruiting beds right under their feet so they can win 10 games a year consistently.
 
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Unless you have the hot locations of austin, la, florida, etc, there is only one way to get national championship caliber talent to a place like south bend: a proven nfl pipeline
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milohimself said:
Unless you have the hot locations of austin, la, florida, etc, there is only one way to get national championship caliber talent to a place like south bend: a proven nfl pipeline
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In my previous post I meant to say couldn't win instead of could. Oops. But I agree with you 100%. They thought they had that in Weis but you still have to win. Is there a coach out there besides Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh ( I know he is in nfl now ) that could win at ND? I mean I just don't see it.
 
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Nope. Their only option to return to prominence is probably to offer an ungodly amount of money to an NFL head coach with a proven track record.
 
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I was watching a cable news program and they were asking the same question about ND. They actually said ND raised their academic standards even higher since Lou Holtz left. So it's even harder to get into ND as a top athlete and harder to stay there. Just imagine if Rocket, Bettis, Waters, Rice, and Brown couldn't get into ND in the 80's and 90's. Not to mention the top dline and oline players. Those were the key people to his ten year run. He would have been 6-6 every year too. Just shows you have to have the players. This is an administrative problem. They sabotaged their own program and money maker. If ND calls you have to go and take the money but I bet the stress is hard knowing you are expected to go to the bcs every year and your talent pool can't even win the independent league. I mean you have to know that when you take the job. I am writing this for ND fans to know who to blame. A top coach like Saban would never go to a place where he couldn't get 1st round talent. It defeats the purpose of even coaching and trying to build a school up.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
The Weiss experiment didn't work either.
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This is the curse of Ty Willingham.

When he became coach of ND there were several big name donors and alumni who refused to support the program because of the color of his skin. (I will search for the link later, dont have time now) Or you can just google "curse of ty willingham" and sort through it all yourself. Its friday, no one is really working today anyways!!

He was 8-4 or something like that in his first year, but then the next couple of years he had some pretty big losses. It was not a great job by Ty, but he was up against a little more than most ND coaches based on his skin color. (not making excuses, because you are judged in that business by wins and losses, period)

But the canned Ty after only 3 seasons, and to ME that was a huge mistake. Tough to keep a program straight on the short turn around of coaches. But it is tough for ND to keep a coach that loses to Navy.

Ty is a good guy, GREAT guy. Wasnt treated very fairly by the folks at ND.
 
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GatorBill said:
This is the curse of Ty Willingham.

When he became coach of ND there were several big name donors and alumni who refused to support the program because of the color of his skin. (I will search for the link later, dont have time now) Or you can just google "curse of ty willingham" and sort through it all yourself. Its friday, no one is really working today anyways!!

He was 8-4 or something like that in his first year, but then the next couple of years he had some pretty big losses. It was not a great job by Ty, but he was up against a little more than most ND coaches based on his skin color. (not making excuses, because you are judged in that business by wins and losses, period)

But the canned Ty after only 3 seasons, and to ME that was a huge mistake. Tough to keep a program straight on the short turn around of coaches. But it is tough for ND to keep a coach that loses to Navy.

Ty is a good guy, GREAT guy. Wasnt treated very fairly by the folks at ND.
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Good point. He actually went 10-3 in his first year. The year he got fired they went to a bowl with a soph Brady Quin. So who knows what would have happened in 05 and 06 with his stacked roster. But also don't think black players and their families don't see this and lost a lot of respect and trust for ND. They don't need ND. ND needs them, obviously.
 
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volberry said:
Good point. He actually went 10-3 in his first year. The year he got fired they went to a bowl with a soph Brady Quin. So who knows what would have happened in 05 and 06 with his stacked roster. But also don't think black players and their families don't see this and lost a lot of respect and trust for ND. They don't need ND. ND needs them, obviously.
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AND to top it all off, they changed the entrance requirements for athletes AFTER they fired Ty. So Jabba Weis was allowed to recruit players that Ty couldnt even dream of getting into the program.

Then when Jabba, and his "schematic advantage" kept losing to Michigan State, he had to lie about a Mich State player ("HE JUST HIT ME") during a sideline scuffle to try to get an advantage in the game. He got the good end of the 15 yard penalty, but tapes after the game showed that it was NDs Grad Assistants that actually roughed up the MSU player and Jabba was no where near the scuffle.

ND is getting what they deserve right now. I hate that he is a coordinator at UF. I hope someone hires him away soon.
 
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Look at his entire body of work. The answer is yes. He's been a winner everywhere he's gone. ND may prove to be different, but I'll wait and see until we're a little more than 1 season + 2 games into his career at South Bend.
 
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VolNavy01 said:
Look at his entire body of work. The answer is yes. He's been a winner everywhere he's gone. ND may prove to be different, but I'll wait and see until we're a little more than 1 season + 2 games into his career at South Bend.
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His record at GVSU stands on its own. He won 2 Div II national championships. That tells you the man knows how to coach. He is a very good coach.

He took a traditionally crappy team at CMU and turned it into a winner in 3 years, but then jumped ship after year 3. We dont know if he could have maintained it, because he didnt stick around.

He took a Cincinnati team that had been 7-5 for 2 out of the 3 previous years under Mark Dantonio and went double digit wins for 3 years. That is pretty good coaching.

A good coach can take someone elses recruits and win with them. Dantonio did a pretty good recruiting job at Cinci, he didnt exactly leave the cupboard bare, but at the same time, you still need to come in and coach a Cinci team up to get double digit wins. He did that.

At ND, he has pressures that he did not have at Cinci, or CMU, and especially at GVSU. He was 118-35-2 at GVSU. For those who dont know, this is a little school in Grand Rapids MI. They have some very good athletic tradition, and Brian Kelly is a HUGE part of that. But they cannot be compared to a MAC team, or an Ohio Valley Conference team. They are DII, and the pressures are not the same.

Body of work says he is a very good coach.

But how he handles the pressure of the big time program has yet to be seen. He has not had to recruit against um, UT, UF, MSU, O$U, Texas. He has been trying to fight for the 2* and 3* players at Cinci and CMU. He is fighting with the big dogs now, and Im not sure he has what it takes to handle that.

And he doesnt have to get up for 2 or 3 games a year now. He has someone gunning for him EVERY WEEK, and twice on a bye week.

And he killed a kid because his practice was more important the the safety of his team and staff. Keeping a kid on a lift in 60mph winds was his call. It was a classless move, and I believe it shows the true character of the coach. And the response by ND, trying to push it all under the rug shows the true character of the school.

I hope Brian Kelly never wins another game.
 
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GatorBill said:
His record at GVSU stands on its own. He won 2 Div II national championships. That tells you the man knows how to coach. He is a very good coach.

He took a traditionally crappy team at CMU and turned it into a winner in 3 years, but then jumped ship after year 3. We dont know if he could have maintained it, because he didnt stick around.

He took a Cincinnati team that had been 7-5 for 2 out of the 3 previous years under Mark Dantonio and went double digit wins for 3 years. That is pretty good coaching.

A good coach can take someone elses recruits and win with them. Dantonio did a pretty good recruiting job at Cinci, he didnt exactly leave the cupboard bare, but at the same time, you still need to come in and coach a Cinci team up to get double digit wins. He did that.

At ND, he has pressures that he did not have at Cinci, or CMU, and especially at GVSU. He was 118-35-2 at GVSU. For those who dont know, this is a little school in Grand Rapids MI. They have some very good athletic tradition, and Brian Kelly is a HUGE part of that. But they cannot be compared to a MAC team, or an Ohio Valley Conference team. They are DII, and the pressures are not the same.

Body of work says he is a very good coach.

But how he handles the pressure of the big time program has yet to be seen. He has not had to recruit against um, UT, UF, MSU, O$U, Texas. He has been trying to fight for the 2* and 3* players at Cinci and CMU. He is fighting with the big dogs now, and Im not sure he has what it takes to handle that.

And he doesnt have to get up for 2 or 3 games a year now. He has someone gunning for him EVERY WEEK, and twice on a bye week.

And he killed a kid because his practice was more important the the safety of his team and staff. Keeping a kid on a lift in 60mph winds was his call. It was a classless move, and I believe it shows the true character of the coach. And the response by ND, trying to push it all under the rug shows the true character of the school.

I hope Brian Kelly never wins another game.
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Some coaches are not bcs type coaches. I remember OSU thinking Tressel was a gamble because he never coached D1 before. Urban Meyer was a risky hire for uf because he had never been in a bcs conference before. You never know how coaches or their staff will handle the pressures every week and on the recruiting trail. Bobby Bowden made fsu a powerhouse by being independent for decades before joining the week ACC where he new he would win every yr and go to a bcs game. No pressure because he built it from scratch and the fans were happy as hell. So he never had the same pressures are say UT or Bama. Kelly doesn't have what it takes yr round. He is a great practice coach and gameplan coach and developing what talent he has to its peek potential, but he is weak in recruiting, gameday adjustments, and leadership during adverisity.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's a fluke that they lost the first two games, especially the first one. They're racking up over 500 yards a game; they've just had bad luck with the turnovers. I detest the Domers, but Kelly is a good football coach. I just think he's A) a jackass, and B) not possessed of the temperament you need to be the Domer coach. It's going to be funny to watch if te wheels come off.
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Indeed it will be funny.
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Very funny. Especially since they had the potential to be like 11-1. they already are behind schedule. Reminds me of the Ron Zook days laughing at UF except it's in South Bend lmao.
 
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Kelly has already lost it on the qb fumble. ND played their best game against Sparty. Now he is gonna have to show his coaching mind in order to win this game.
 
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volberry said:
Some coaches are not bcs type coaches. I remember OSU thinking Tressel was a gamble because he never coached D1 before. Urban Meyer was a risky hire for uf because he had never been in a bcs conference before. You never know how coaches or their staff will handle the pressures every week and on the recruiting trail. Bobby Bowden made fsu a powerhouse by being independent for decades before joining the week ACC where he new he would win every yr and go to a bcs game. No pressure because he built it from scratch and the fans were happy as hell. So he never had the same pressures are say UT or Bama. Kelly doesn't have what it takes yr round. He is a great practice coach and gameplan coach and developing what talent he has to its peek potential, but he is weak in recruiting, gameday adjustments, and leadership during adverisity.
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What are you talking about?
 
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It is sooooo hillarious seeing Brian Kelly going off on his qb. He just has their confidence so low. Smh
 
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vols-1 said:
I think he's good. ND just does not have the resoures to compete with the SEC conference for talent in the South. When's the last time they beat out Bama or Fl for a recruit in this area? The SEC will not even schedule ND anymore because they don't even want the team playing in our market. Now the Big 10 has expanded and is putting a fence around the North recruiting market, so ND is slowly getting squeezed out of the North as well.
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Then they should man up and join a conference and play big boy football. I have never liked ND for that reason. They don't wanna share their earnings with other teams in a conference.
 
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