Does McGwire deserve the HOF??????

#51
#51
tidwell said:
I still think it is viewed as a character issue. Even if it wasn't a rule and it was known that he bet on games when he was the manager of the Reds, you still could've questioned his character and things that he did while managing.

Amazingly, he should've just taken steroids instead of betting on baseball, and he'd have been a-ok.
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and that my friend is what makes baseball look so stupid.
 
#52
#52
As a Cardinals fan, my bias opinion is that Mark McGwire should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, the guy probably took some illegal substances while playing in the bigs, but they shouldn't let those assumptions keep him out of the Hall. There's no proof. The guy was a stud.
 
#53
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jakez4ut said:
i don't buy the OJ arguement...for one simple reason. what he did, character wise, had no impact on his performance in the games he played.

if it is ever undisputably proven that bonds, sosa, mcguire did use steroids...then that has a direct affect on performance...

not saying OJ is deserving or less deserving...just pointing out the difference in the two...that's all.
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Well what about what Rose did? It had no impact on his performance as a player.
 
#54
#54
If Pete Rose is out, McGwire is out, Bonds is out.

If Bonds is in, McGwire is in, Rose is in.

If Bonds is OUT, McGwire is OUT, Rose is in.

Just my opinion.
 
#58
#58
vols kick balls said:
Well what about what Rose did? It had no impact on his performance as a player.
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but it was a rule in baseball that it was forbidden to bet on baseball....he knew that, and did it and got caught.

Personally i think Rose should be in, but on the same token, i can't really argue with the stance that he did in fact break a rule, and therefore was punished accordingly.

the OJ thing is simply ridiculous. trust me on this...had all that happened prior to him being inducted in to Canton, he wouldn't be in Canton. No one in their right mind could honestly vote him in after all of what he's been thru/caused.

as for Bonds, McGuire and Sosa and the like...refer to my post earlier about MLB, Selig and the Player's uniion.
 
#59
#59
jakez4ut said:
the OJ thing is simply ridiculous. trust me on this...had all that happened prior to him being inducted in to Canton, he wouldn't be in Canton. No one in their right mind could honestly vote him in after all of what he's been thru/caused.

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Just to set things straight, I never met to use OJ as an analogy directly to this subject. I was using it in terms of the idea, that just because something wasn't proven, steroid usage, that it makes it irrelevant. That's all I was using it for way earlier.
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#60
#60
I think that McGwire deserves to be in the Hall. He averaged 36 homers during his first six full years in the bigs, including 49 in his rookie season, which was well before the "juiced" talk.

Baseball is such a numbers game - "61", "755", etc. Anytime that the numbers might be skewed upsets some people. 583 homers are alot, and I think that this will eventually get him in. But I don't think he'll get in this time with Gwynn & Ripken.
 
#61
#61
Another question concerning McGwire and the Hall....
When/If McGwire gets into the Hall-of-Fame, should he go in as an A(Athletic) or a Cardinal? He had his 70 homerun season with the Cardinals, but he hit more lifetime homeruns with the A's (363 vs. 220), and won his only World Championship with the A's.
 
#62
#62
I'd think he'd go in as a Cardinal... that's the team that he made most of his history with.
 
#68
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Actually I think he needs to go in as an A. Reason being that's where he won his championships.
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Eh, maybe. Just saying that he is the freshest in people's minds, in his playing days anyway, as a Cardinal hitting all of the big HRs. #60, 61, 62, 70, 500, first player to hit 60 in back-to-back seasons, etc.
 
#69
#69
Agreed. Think of it this way. The whole concept of a hall of fame is to honor the individual; McGwire's greatest team accomplishments occurred in Oakland, while his greatest individual accomplishments occurred in St. Louis.
 
#70
#70
And since it's his decision anyway (right?), he always (as well as most players that go through St. Louis) spoke very highly of his time in the Cardinals organization and the city, so I think he'll choose the STL cap.
 
#71
#71
tidwell said:
And since it's his decision anyway (right?), he always (as well as most players that go through St. Louis) spoke very highly of his time in the Cardinals organization and the city, so I think he'll choose the STL cap.
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Yes it is his decision. On a side note I can't wait til Clemens goes in as a Yankee.
 
#72
#72
He should go in as a Cardinal. That's the team he ingested the most performance enhancers with. Hopefully, the voters will spare us from this silly debate. McGwire was never a great player. He was a pumped up version of Dave Kingman, nothing more.
 
#73
#73
hatvol96 said:
He should go in as a Cardinal. That's the team he ingested the most performance enhancers with. Hopefully, the voters will spare us from this silly debate. McGwire was never a great player. He was a pumped up version of Dave Kingman, nothing more.
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wow, i thought for sure you'd of thought he'd deserve to be in....
 
#75
#75
hatvol96 said:
Why? He was a one dimensional player whose greatest achievements are shrouded in suspicion.
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in the results oriented nature of the argument (which you usually have a certain penchant for using), his individual results, offensively speaking anyway, were ridiculous....and he did win a championship.

also, a little suspiscion never hurt anyone....right Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson.........?

:p that's why!
 
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