Does Tennessee Make the 2013 NCAA Tournament

Does Tennessee Make the Field of 68

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#26
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KBVol said:
I, unfortunately, say no. Mizzou is a really bad matchup for us due to Pressey and Oriacki(sp?) and we need that win after yesterday's bad loss. Plus, I think we can really only bank on one guy showing up on the offensive end every game, McRae obviously. No idea where Stokes and Golden will be going forward based on yesterday's effort. Hope I'm wrong and they get back in the groove and into the tourney.
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It's that old man basketball!
 
#27
#27
Must beat auburn and mizz, which I think we will.

Win one or two in Nashville and vols advance UNLESS a team outside "looking in" wins the SEC tourney: ky, ole miss, ms state, etc.

The SEC is down this year so the committee will extend a maximum of three @ large bids, jmo.

My concern is (if) we win out, take two in the SEC tourney but a team like KY or Ole Miss wins it which would possibly knock out the vols.

I dont see vols winning the SEC tourney so the Gators or Mizz better win it. Jmo.
 
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#28
#28
Even if they make it this team is not good enough to win it so it really don`t matter.
 
#29
#29
This off subject but I met ex. MS. State player dante' jones last sunday and ex vol Cory Allen last Sunday.

Anyone remember Jones? State rode his back to win the SEC tourney in 97 ( I think that was the yr) and to the final four.

Cory Allen? Vols were playing KY (1993) @ thompson bowling arena on a week night, coached by Wade Houston.
The Cats were up three points and missed the second foul shot of a 1-1.
Allen Houston raced down the court and got fouled with roughly 4 seconds in the game. Houston nailed the first shot to cut the lead to two. He intentionally missed the second one and Coey Allen got the rebound, made the shot, and got fouled. Allen nailed the foul shot to give the vols a one point lead which would give UT the victory.
 
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No chance unless they win the conference tournament.

The SEC will only get 4 teams in max. Florida is in. That leaves 3 teams with chances. Why would Tennessee get picked over Ole Miss? They lost twice to them, they are behind them in the conference standings.

Alabama and Kentucky are tied for second place and both of them split with UT. Why would you take UT over either one of them?

Arkansas is tied with UT but they beat them. Why would you take UT over Arkansas?

If UT beats Missouri and somehow it became down to Missouri or UT you would take UT.

Unless Alabama, Kentucky, OleMiss, and Arkansas lose all of their remaining games and UT beats Missouri, well UT is OUT!!!!
 
#32
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BearBryant said:
No chance unless they win the conference tournament.

The SEC will only get 4 teams in max. Florida is in. That leaves 3 teams with chances. Why would Tennessee get picked over Ole Miss? They lost twice to them, they are behind them in the conference standings.

Alabama and Kentucky are tied for second place and both of them split with UT. Why would you take UT over either one of them?

Arkansas is tied with UT but they beat them. Why would you take UT over Arkansas?

If UT beats Missouri and somehow it became down to Missouri or UT you would take UT.

Unless Alabama, Kentucky, OleMiss, and Arkansas lose all of their remaining games and UT beats Missouri, well UT is OUT!!!!
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So much wrong.

Ole Miss has lost to South Carolina and Miss St within the last 2 weeks. They have no chance other than to win the SEC.

Arkansas has virtually no road wins at all. Their best win is Kentucky.

Kentucky is falling as they can't win a road game without Noel and they didn't do enough with him for it to matter.

Alabama should be getting more recognition. Their resume doesn't wow you, and they play ugly. They don't have any really good wins either. Their biggest issue is this really bad losses in the non conference. I think their conference campaign has been impressive but it's not enough so far.
 
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#33
#33
I think we can beat Mizzou but I still say no because losing to Georgia twice looks absolutely terrible.
 
#34
#34
That's a definite maybe. It largely depends on how many butt-heads are on the selection committee. The problem now is that no one is going to be askeered of playing the Vols after seeing lowly Georgia put such an emphatic end to our hot streak. One-and-Done may be about the best we can aspire to even if we do make it.
 
#37
#37
Chris4Vols22 said:
Most garbage post I've seen in a while.
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I'd agree with poster to a point.
Have to agree with IE95 that making the tournament should be a given.
So, if your not good enough to get in why all the fuss?
The tourney isn't about finding the best team in the country. It's about entertainment and making money.
Need a revamp of the entire system so that you don't get 18 to 20 auto bids every season that are simply patsies for the 1s and 2s to warm up on.
The 16 to 1 upset every hundred years doesn't make it worth keeping.
Get at least 60 of the best teams and would be a much better event.
 
#40
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Catbone said:
Agreed. Just getting in would be good for the program. Plus if we do make it, we will at least get the chance to play an elite team
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I don`t think that playing an elite team and possibly getting your butt spanked would be good for the program.
 
#41
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Catbone said:
Agreed. Just getting in would be good for the program. Plus if we do make it, we will at least get the chance to play an elite team
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Want to play elite teams?
Schedule them.
One of the reasons we're outside looking in is because we schedule so many 200+ rpi teams.
If we can't beat the 100-200 rpi teams, why worry about dancing.
 
#43
#43
This is simple, ESPN has as the last team in, if we win our last 2 regular season games, including one over a a high RPI Missouri team, and we're not even on the bubble any more, we're in no matter what happens in the SEC tourney
 
#44
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TNRazor said:
This is simple, ESPN has as the last team in, if we win our last 2 regular season games, including one over a a high RPI Missouri team, and we're not even on the bubble any more, we're in no matter what happens in the SEC tourney
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Lunardi's predictions do pretty much entail what you just said, but I'm not sure we're a lock with just winning these last 2.
 
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BearBryant said:
No chance unless they win the conference tournament.

The SEC will only get 4 teams in max. Florida is in. That leaves 3 teams with chances. Why would Tennessee get picked over Ole Miss? They lost twice to them, they are behind them in the conference standings.

Alabama and Kentucky are tied for second place and both of them split with UT. Why would you take UT over either one of them?

Arkansas is tied with UT but they beat them. Why would you take UT over Arkansas?

If UT beats Missouri and somehow it became down to Missouri or UT you would take UT.

Unless Alabama, Kentucky, OleMiss, and Arkansas lose all of their remaining games and UT beats Missouri, well UT is OUT!!!!
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SMH another one who doesn't understand the selection process AT ALL...

1. Standings don't matter, and neither do head to head matchups. See last year, we finished 2nd and didn't get in.

2. Once again, head to head doesn't matter, compare resumes as a whole. Arkansas resume is garbage and they can't win outside of BWA.

3. Missouri is pretty much in regardless, they'd have to lose every game here on out to worry, unlikely.

4. Go pull the RESUMES, not head to head matchups for Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Alabama and Arkansas. You'll realize that Tennessee has the best resume out of that group
 
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#48
bigsteve13 said:
I think we can beat Mizzou but I still say no because losing to Georgia twice looks absolutely terrible.
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OK - I will play the "bad loss" game with you.

Georgia currently has an RPI of 129 and is 14-15 on the season. Clearly, losing to that team twice is not a positive. BUT, these Georgia losses are our only "bad losses" (which I define here as a loss to a team out of the Top 75). Our other losses are to teams ranked 10, 19, 25, 51, 56, 59 (twice), 60, and 72, ranging from @Georgetown to @Arkansas.

BUT, let's now have a look at the teams we are being compared to for the final spots in the NCAA's. Realistically, we are competing for one of approximately 4-5 spots with about 11 teams (I'm not going to go into what would happen with conference tournament upset winners here, for the sake of simplicity, but obviously those are bad for UT). The teams we need to edge out are probably any 5 or 6 of the following:

Kentucky
Villanova
Iowa State
Wichita State
Temple
Belmont
Mississippi
Alabama
Baylor
Boise State

You want to compare bad losses? Ok, let's do that. The only one who is notably better off than we are is Kentucky, which has no losses outside the top 100 RPIs (and whom we split with H2H)...

VU has losses to #266 Columbia, and this weekend at #115 Seton Hall. We aren't that bad.

Iowa State has losses to #224 Texas Tech and #126 Texas. We aren't that bad.

Wichita State has losses to #101 Evansville twice, and #178 Southern Ill. We beat them H2H. We aren't that bad.

Temple has losses to #110 Canusius, #105 St Bonaventure, #209 Duquesne. We are not that bad.

Belmont has losses to #158 Northeastern, #111 UCF, and #131 Murray State. We are not that bad.

Mississippi swept us, granted. But they also have "last 10 games" losses to #203 South Carolina and #226 Miss State. From a bad loss perspective, we have them crushed.

Bama, whom we split with, has HOME losses to #104 Dayton, #127 Mercer, and #176 Tulane. We are way better off, given that we have a single bad loss at home.

Baylor has losses to #143 College of Charleston and #144 Northwestern.

Which leaves Boise State, who has a single bad loss to #160 Nevada. One could argue that we are about equal to them in terms of bad losses.


Obviously, bad losses are an issue the selection committee will take into consideration. Another is quality wins, which we could address in another thread (and when compared to this list, we have by far the best one in #7 Florida). Another would be recent momentum, which is usually measured as record in the final ten games of the regular season. We can analyze all that if you want.

But, the notion that our two bad losses versus GA should somehow disqualify us is LUDICROUS. From a comparative standpoint, we are far better off in the bad loss column than at least 9 of the 11 teams we need to worry about. Your argument just doesn't hold up when the data are scrutinized. Nothing personal meant.

PDV
 
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#49
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bleedingTNorange said:
SMH another one who doesn't understand the selection process AT ALL...

1. Standings don't matter, and neither do head to head matchups. See last year, we finished 2nd and didn't get in.

2. Once again, head to head doesn't matter, compare resumes as a whole. Arkansas resume is garbage and they can't win outside of BWA.

3. Missouri is pretty much in regardless, they'd have to lose every game here on out to worry, unlikely.

4. Go pull the RESUMES, not head to head matchups for Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Alabama and Arkansas. You'll realize that Tennessee has the best resume out of that group
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...is dead on. It's all about the complete resume. Cherry picked facts aren't how the committee decides.

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