Donald Trump Is Putin's Man

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Godfatha said:
All I know is that the Crimea and this latest invasion didn't happen under Trump's presidency. Make of that what you will.
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After news of the SolarWinds cyberattack was reported in December of 2020, President Donald Trump publicly sided with the denial of Vladimir Putin over the conclusions of both his Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo ...

Trump downplays cyberattack on U.S., breaks with Pompeo on Russia's role

... and his Attorney General, William Barr.

Barr says Russia appears to be behind SolarWinds hack, after Trump points to China


Make of that what you will, but it's not easy to understand why Russia deserved the benefit of the doubt concerning the SolarWinds breach, and to publicly side with a Russian dictator over your own top diplomat like that? That wasn't putting "America First" at all. It was Donald Trump giving an unconditional defense of a Russian attack against the United States of America. In spite, of what his own administration was telling him, Trump simply wouldn't believe that Russia had done it. If you don't care why that is, you should.

... and I can't wait for some form of this logic to be expressed :

"We can't trust the United States Intelligence Community, or the bureaucrats who lead those agencies. They are war hawks who have let our country down too many times in the past. So let's just go ahead and trust Vladimir Putin, instead. Putin is totally against all forms of war, after all, and a Russian dictator would have no reason to lie about a matter concerning cyber-aggression against American government and private business interests. It's not as if Russia is an adversary of ours."

^^^^ A Pro-Russian Trumpet will play this tune. At least one of them always does. ^^^^
 
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Due to 2020 Presidential Election outcome denialism, and the subsequent January 6th riot in the United States Capitol, the SolarWinds breach uncovered near the end of 2020 was underreported. Here is some background information on it :

SolarWinds hack was 'largest and most sophisticated attack' ever: Microsoft president

... but because Russia was determined to be culpable by both Mike Pompeo and William Barr ...

Trump downplays SolarWinds hack, says may be tied to election loss and China

... Trump downplayed it, while as usual, attempting to shift the blame to China and casting himself as being "the real victim here."
 
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landscapingvol said:
Agreed, a dementia patient surrounded by the cast from Rocky Horror Picture Show is not a recipe for success.
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Rocky Horror Picture Show?

That's a little harsh ... but I kinda see it. When old guys try to make it appear as though they have a full head of non-grey hair, it doesn't always end well.








 
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ETV said:
Rename this thread Steele dossier 2.0.
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This should be the SolarWinds thread. It never got its just due.

More than any other story, it showed then-President Donald Trump publicly defending Russia and Vladimir Putin, over the word of his own top diplomat (Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo), and the word of his own top law enforcement official (Attorney General, William Barr). Those were not "Never Trumpers." Those were hand-picked, loyal Republican Trump Administration officials. Donald Trump publicly sided with Vladimir Putin over them. Why?

It made no sense.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You have officially surpassed BB85 level on your obsession with Trump. Congrats.
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Who did you expect to see discussed in a thread entitled, "Donald Trump is Putin's man" ????

If that isn't what you want to read, then why click on the thread? Donald Trump is the probable Republican Party nominee for 2024, and as such, he is highly relevant to this forum. It is ridiculous how so many of you treat his mere mention as being wildly inappropriate subject matter.

Why do you care so damn much about what other people choose to talk about? If it's not something you care about, then don't click on the damn thread!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This should be the SolarWinds thread. It never got its just due.

More than any other story, it showed then-President Donald Trump publicly defending Russia and Vladimir Putin, over the word of his own top diplomat (Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo), and the word of his own top law enforcement official (Attorney General, William Barr). Those were not "Never Trumpers." Those were hand-picked, loyal Republican Trump Administration officials. Donald Trump publicly sided with Vladimir Putin over them. Why?

It made no sense.
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Years later and it’s not been proven that the Russian government was behind the attack. POTUS doesn’t need to be tossing around accusations and labeling it an act of war. Especially in the early stages of investigating it. Especially when the DOJ has a partisan bias. Especially when the leftists created a fake dossier and were accusing Russia of being involved in something else. Russia has nuclear weapons. But… Russia. Russia. Russia. TDS is real.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Who did you expect to see discussed in a thread entitled, "Donald Trump is Putin's man" ????

If that isn't what you want to read, then why click on the thread? Donald Trump is the probable Republican Party nominee for 2024, and as such, he is highly relevant to this forum. It is ridiculous how so many of you treat his mere mention as being wildly inappropriate subject matter.

Why do you care so damn much about what other people choose to talk about? If it's not something you care about, then don't click on the damn thread!
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Calm down.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Years later and it’s not been proven that the Russian government was behind the attack. POTUS doesn’t need to be tossing around accusations and labeling it an act of war. Especially in the early stages of investigating it. Especially when the DOJ has a partisan bias. Especially when the leftists created a fake dossier and were accusing Russia of being involved in something else. Russia has nuclear weapons. But… Russia. Russia. Russia. TDS is real.
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Yes, it has.

The hacking group known as "Nobelium", was responsible for the SolarWinds breach and they are under the direction of the Russian intelligence service.





The former POTUS certainly isn't shy about doing that if it's "China, China, China" ... and it is silly to accuse former Attorney General William Barr, of having a "partisan bias" against Trump. And that wouldn't explain publicly siding against Mike Pompeo, would it? Donald Trump's unconditional defense of Russia's cyber-aggression against the United States is real, and it's bizarre.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't agree with you on much at all in the PF, but have a like. Seriously, who cares what the propaganda arm of Vlad thinks about anything? Of course they would say crap like this right now, it helps sow dissent here at home. This is like propaganda 101.
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I think the comments were directed to the Russian audience, for the purpose of bolstering support for the war. Claiming that Russia's position in the world would be better when/if Trump were President presents an alternative to their currently damaged status, as if it were not Putin's fault. Trump praises Putin on the regular while most world leaders view him as a murdering despot and a danger to world peace. You can ignore the real world fact that Trump sucks up to Putin and sings his praises, but that behavior toward our nation's most dangerously committed enemy is an alarmingly bizarre negative.
 
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Vol Main said:
I think the comments were directed to the Russian audience, for the purpose of bolstering support for the war. Claiming that Russia's position in the world would be better when/if Trump were President presents an alternative to their currently damaged status, as if it were not Putin's fault. Trump praises Putin on the regular while most world leaders view him as a murdering despot and a danger to world peace. You can ignore the real world fact that Trump sucks up to Putin and sings his praises, but that behavior toward our nation's most dangerously committed enemy is an alarmingly bizarre negative.
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Can you name another world leader who would publicly side with Putin against what his own top diplomat had concluded? That was weird.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Who did you expect to see discussed in a thread entitled, "Donald Trump is Putin's man" ????

If that isn't what you want to read, then why click on the thread? Donald Trump is the probable Republican Party nominee for 2024, and as such, he is highly relevant to this forum. It is ridiculous how so many of you treat his mere mention as being wildly inappropriate subject matter.

Why do you care so damn much about what other people choose to talk about? If it's not something you care about, then don't click on the damn thread!
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Lol. Looks like I was wrong. I see your obsession for Trump remains the same. Of course your dear leader and your man Joe is a complete failure so I guess you have nothing good to say about him.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't agree with you on much at all in the PF, but have a like. Seriously, who cares what the propaganda arm of Vlad thinks about anything? Of course they would say crap like this right now, it helps sow dissent here at home. This is like propaganda 101.
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Propaganda like this is aimed toward the weak minded. Unfortunately, the weak minded are a growing population sector.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Can you name another world leader who would publicly side with Putin against what his own top diplomat had concluded? That was weird.
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You know , you guys would be a lot easier to believe if we didn’t have a recorded history or we would just all close our eyes and ears and say .. orange man bad , orange man bad , over and over until we believed Trump was worse than any of the others. Tell me , which one of these two do you think didn’t have Intelligence on every single thing Putin has ever said or done ?

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Vol Main said:
I think the comments were directed to the Russian audience, for the purpose of bolstering support for the war. Claiming that Russia's position in the world would be better when/if Trump were President presents an alternative to their currently damaged status, as if it were not Putin's fault. Trump praises Putin on the regular while most world leaders view him as a murdering despot and a danger to world peace. You can ignore the real world fact that Trump sucks up to Putin and sings his praises, but that behavior toward our nation's most dangerously committed enemy is an alarmingly bizarre negative.
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So strange that while DT was in office, no invasions. Limp-wristed JB/KH take the reigns, and here we have the largest Eurasian war in decades, and China could decide to take Taiwan any day.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So strange that while DT was in office, no invasions. Limp-wristed JB/KH take the reigns, and here we have the largest Eurasian war in decades, and China could decide to take Taiwan any day.
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The issue with your assertion @kiddiedoc is it requires critical thinking. Analyzing all the variables, considering the evidence, and reaching a conclusion, in this case a conclusion that is consistent with reality rather than speculative.

Much easier to adhere to “Orange man bad!!!” and echo msnbc.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
The issue with your assertion @kiddiedoc is it requires critical thinking. Analyzing all the variables, considering the evidence, and reaching a conclusion, in this case a conclusion that is consistent with reality rather than speculative.

Much easier to adhere to “Orange man bad!!!” and echo msnbc.
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What's the evidence?

What would Trump have done differently with the Russian invasion? How was he preventing it?

It's not like Russia/Ukraine and China/Taiwan just popped up
 
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utvolpj said:
What's the evidence?

What would Trump have done differently with the Russian invasion? How was he preventing it?

It's not like Russia/Ukraine and China/Taiwan just popped up
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one thing to look at is energy policy - Trump was blocking Nordstream 2 and was pushing LNG terminals to supply Europe. In effect it was policy that made W Europe less dependent on Russian energy thus reducing their leverage.

we would have been producing more oil and NG too thus keeping the global price down and reducing financial resources for Putin

would it be enough? who knows but it would have made the calculus worse for Putin to invade.
 
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volinbham said:
one thing to look at is energy policy - Trump was blocking Nordstream 2 and was pushing LNG terminals to supply Europe. In effect it was policy that made W Europe less dependent on Russian energy thus reducing their leverage.

would it be enough? who knows but it would have made the calculus worse for Putin to invade.
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Putin invading Ukraine has clearly been a long term goal. There are probably a ton of factors that go into determining the ‘right time’ but I’m betting internal factors are far higher than the US president.
 
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volinbham said:
one thing to look at is energy policy - Trump was blocking Nordstream 2 and was pushing LNG terminals to supply Europe. In effect it was policy that made W Europe less dependent on Russian energy thus reducing their leverage.

would it be enough? who knows but it would have made the calculus worse for Putin to invade.
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Possibly reducing leverage long term but in turn hurting Russia's biggest export and raising prices in Europe. Could make Russia just as desperate and get grumbling from Europe. I still don't see what prevents China or Russia from executing their plans no matter who is in office. I don't think they even care very much
 
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utvolpj said:
Possibly reducing leverage long term but in turn hurting Russia's biggest export and raising prices in Europe. Could make Russia just as desperate and get grumbling from Europe. I still don't see what prevents China or Russia from executing their plans no matter who is in office.
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Agree completely.
 
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