Donald Trump Is Putin's Man

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volfanhill said:
Millions. Putin was always going to go in to Ukraine. It's a sense of national pride. Trump or no trump. He needed to feel like he had insulated his economy enough from western sanctions and believe he could hold Europe hostage with energy. He felt like he had reached that point a year ago. He was wrong.
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Once again..he didnt under Trump.

What is so difficult about this?
 
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utvolpj said:
And people like you believe he was good for the country. You're both wrong
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Hellz yes..he was fantastic.

Like exponentially better than this dipshit..

Keep hope for your unicorn in the trash DC system that would eat alive any of your 3rd party President.

I believe in America..the Dems believe in America succumb for global equality
 
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Orangeburst said:
Hellz yes..he was fantastic.

Like exponentially better than this dipshit..

Keep hope for your unicorn in the trash DC system that would eat alive any of your 3rd party President.

I believe in America..the Dems believe in America succumb for global equality
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Being better than Biden didn't mean he was good. The us was worse off once he was done and he gave us Biden.

Still waiting on you to post what Trump would have done to prevent an invasion. Going to do it today?
 
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utvolpj said:
Being better than Biden didn't mean he was good. The us was worse off once he was done and he gave us Biden.

Still waiting on you to post what Trump would have done to prevent an invasion. Going to do it today?
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I admitted it was theoretical. Or some logical conclusion based on what is now occurring. It defeats the Putin puppet BS.

That is ALL.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
This thread is the ultimate echo chamber for TDS, who kinda have no clue about the actual situation, and the threat/promises Trump made. His invasion happened because of Joe Biden. There's a reason why Russia get's more frisky when DNC puppets get elected.

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Once a puppet, always a puppet.
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Putin knew better. It was just like Iran. He threatened to bomb them back to 200 years, if they would’ve killed any American in Iraq. No soldier was killed in Afghanistan either. No more rockets were fired by North Korea, after the meeting with Kim. There wasn’t much going on after all of the threats, because Trump meant business with these people. TDS still runs rampant even today, and they still can’t figure out what Biden has done to the economy and everything else for that matter. It’s crazy.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump is just nervous about being indicted for the Stormy Daniels hush money payment. It looks like it's coming soon.
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How in the hell is this even an issue worthy of the DA's time and can you with a straight face argue this isn't a politically motivated prosecution?

Also predict it will be one more nothing burger but you and LG will never let it go - ever.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Facts .... on the way out the door Trump was denying Russian involvement in the SolarWinds hack .... even though his own Secretary of State was publicly saying that it was Russia. This was a common theme of Trump's presidency.
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yes let's see - advocated denial of Nordstream 2 which would hurt Putin, advocated actual weapons for Ukraine well before Russia invaded, put in motion operations to export LNG to Europe to lessen their reliance on Russian O&G. Just a few examples that were decidedly anti-Putin but they always get forgotten in the fantasy Trump as Putin's puppet fantasy.

EDIT: and there's this

U.S. Set to Sell Poland Missiles as Russia Arms Region
 
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volinbham said:
yes let's see - advocated denial of Nordstream 2 which would hurt Putin, advocated actual weapons for Ukraine well before Russia invaded, put in motion operations to export LNG to Europe to lessen their reliance on Russian O&G. Just a few examples that were decidedly anti-Putin but they always get forgotten in the fantasy Trump as Putin's puppet fantasy.

EDIT: and there's this

U.S. Set to Sell Poland Missiles as Russia Arms Region
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Sounds like a puppet to me..

Dont forget asking NATO to pay their for own 2% GDP military commitment that these EU nations committed to decades ago. Frankly they have played the USA as fools. . Yet Trump wanted to end NATO.
No he asked that they meet their own ****ing commitments

And now it is spend on military.

****..
 
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volinbham said:
advocated actual weapons for Ukraine well before Russia invaded,
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I will deal with this claim first, because it is the most egregious misrepresentation of the facts. As usual, your post lacks specifics of what you are talking about. I can only assume that we have another Trump-bootlicker who is once again touting the sale of the anti-tank Javelin missiles to the Ukraine. It's a crock, and we have covered this heavily in the past.

There's a huge loophole in the GOP's claim that Trump's sale of Javelin missiles to Ukraine shows his support for the country

Throughout Trump's first impeachment proceedings, President Donald Trump's GOP allies in Congress touted his administration's sale of Javelin missiles to Ukraine as evidence he's supported them against Russian aggression.

However, Republicans always leave out the fact that the Ukrainians could not use the anti-tank missiles against pro-Russian separatists per the terms of the sale.

* If the sale of the Javelins was not what you were talking about, then you will need to be a little more precise for once.
 
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volinbham said:
How in the hell is this even an issue worthy of the DA's time and can you with a straight face argue this isn't a politically motivated prosecution?

Also predict it will be one more nothing burger but you and LG will never let it go - ever.
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Trump paid hush money to a stripper/porn star to keep her quiet less than a month before the 2016 Presidential Election. The source of the money needs to be addressed. This could very easily be an illegal campaign donation.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump paid hush money to a stripper/porn star to keep her quiet less than a month before the 2016 Presidential Election. The source of the money needs to be addressed. This could very easily be an illegal campaign donation.
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in 6 years they haven't figured that out?

is a possible illegal campaign donation from 2016 a high priority for the relatively new Manhattan DA? or could it be searching for something/anything to get Trump on.

sounds like the "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" style justice
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I will deal with this claim first, because it is the most egregious misrepresentation of the facts. As usual, your post lacks specifics of what you are talking about. I can only assume that we have another Trump-bootlicker who is once again touting the sale of the anti-tank Javelin missiles to the Ukraine. It's a crock, and we have covered this heavily in the past.

There's a huge loophole in the GOP's claim that Trump's sale of Javelin missiles to Ukraine shows his support for the country

Throughout Trump's first impeachment proceedings, President Donald Trump's GOP allies in Congress touted his administration's sale of Javelin missiles to Ukraine as evidence he's supported them against Russian aggression.

However, Republicans always leave out the fact that the Ukrainians could not use the anti-tank missiles against pro-Russian separatists per the terms of the sale.

* If the sale of the Javelins was not what you were talking about, then you will need to be a little more precise for once.
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LOL

I posted his announcement of Patriots for Poland the day before he met with Putin. Hard to imagine that was a pro Putin move The other point is he did actually provide weapons to Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion while Obama stopped short providing weapons. The Javelins you posted about were certainly used against the Putin invasion so I guess we should thank Trump they had them on hand at the time because Biden didn't provide them pre-invasion.

Funny you left this out from your post (from the article you linked). Experts on Ukraine have offered mixed reviews on the impact of the US-provided anti-tank missiles, but largely seem to agree they serve as a deterrent against Russia. Meanwhile, David Holmes, a top staffer at the US embassy in Ukraine and witness in the impeachment inquiry, told House investigators in November that the Javelins provide an "important strategic deterrent." He added that the weapons are "not actively employed in combat operations right now." Not very pro-Putin now is it?

You also ignored all the other actions he took that were detrimental to Putin because they do not fit your simplistic narrative about Trump and Putin.

Trump embarrassed himself and the country WRT to Putin on multiple occasions but so has Biden. In addition Trump took a tougher stand on Russia than Obama and Biden in the early stages.
 
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volinbham said:
LOL

I posted his announcement of Patriots for Poland the day before he met with Putin. Hard to imagine that was a pro Putin move The other point is he did actually provide weapons to Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion while Obama stopped short providing weapons. The Javelins you posted about were certainly used against the Putin invasion so I guess we should thank Trump they had them on hand at the time because Biden didn't provide them pre-invasion.

Funny you left this out from your post (from the article you linked). Experts on Ukraine have offered mixed reviews on the impact of the US-provided anti-tank missiles, but largely seem to agree they serve as a deterrent against Russia. Meanwhile, David Holmes, a top staffer at the US embassy in Ukraine and witness in the impeachment inquiry, told House investigators in November that the Javelins provide an "important strategic deterrent." He added that the weapons are "not actively employed in combat operations right now." Not very pro-Putin now is it?

You also ignored all the other actions he took that were detrimental to Putin because they do not fit your simplistic narrative about Trump and Putin.

Trump embarrassed himself and the country WRT to Putin on multiple occasions but so has Biden. In addition Trump took a tougher stand on Russia than Obama and Biden in the early stages.
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The Javelin missiles were all for show ... they were not used against pro-Russian separatists per the terms of the sale. If you were interested in discussing the reality instead of just blindly defending Trump ... you would have acknowledged that fact. It is not an insignificant detail. Trump has never taken a tough stand on Russia. He has only just sided with Putin and his denials of aggression against American interests. See the SolarWinds hack.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The Javelin missiles were all for show ... they were not used against pro-Russian separatists per the terms of the sale. If you were interested in discussing the reality instead of just blindly defending Trump ... you would have acknowledged that fact. It is not an insignificant detail. Trump has never taken a tough stand on Russia. He has only just sided with Putin and his denials of aggression against American interests. See the SolarWinds hack.
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your own article says they served as a deterrent to Russia -- a strategic deterrent.

if you could read I said specifically he embarrassed himself WRT to Putin more than once. for some reason you can never acknowledge when he took stances against Putin/Russia which your own article suggests he did with the Javelins (just one of numerous examples).

believe as you wish but what you portray is an obsession that facts cannot penetrate
 
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volinbham said:
your own article says they served as a deterrent to Russia -- a strategic deterrent.

if you could read I said specifically he embarrassed himself WRT to Putin more than once. for some reason you can never acknowledge when he took stances against Putin/Russia which your own article suggests he did with the Javelins (just one of numerous examples).

believe as you wish but what you portray is an obsession that facts cannot penetrate
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Ukraine had some anti-tank missiles that Russia knew they couldn't use, and that served as a deterrent to further acts of Russian aggression. Yeah ... Sure.
 
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