Dooley and Dez Bryant

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Sooo after reading what Dez said, a lot of us were wrong in judging. It comes across fairly positive, the body movements and antics made it appear bad. They didn't release the exchange with Witten though.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
Dooley was an average coach with good intentions. He tried to change the atmosphere in Knoxville but his plan backfired. I always pulled for him and I hope he learns from it and grows from it.

His chances of turning the team was lost with the lack of control from many "me" players. That is what he walked into and failed. He deserved his buyout IMO.

Fans and reporters jumped on him early and I think it eventually caused him to give up mentally. He's human. I gave up on my company a few times and was just going through the motions. A lot of pressure dealing with delays, angery customers, putting your heart into it and not having enough to pay the bills. I can only imagine what his pressure was like. Walk a mile in his shoes.

I think if he had it to do over again he would have chosen a different route. Starting with Bray.
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Dooley caused his own problems. If you run a business and piss everyone off around you then everyone begins to go against you. TN high school coaches even pushed players to other programs out of state just so we couldn't have them. Dooley got a job as a head coach because of his last name. He was supposed to be right the opposite of Kiffin, and he was supposed to be disciplined and a great game manager. Every where Dooley has been they always get better once he leaves. LA Tech did and now we are better. That has to tell you something about his coaching and his ability to get players to go all out. I've never talked to one person who has meet Dooley that didn't say he's an arrogant POS. I know some big donors at UT and all of them hated Dooley, and I'm not bluffing on this. You take it for what you want, but ppl outside VolNation did not respect UT because of Dooley and the big time donors knew it. Dooley will in my eyes go down as the worst UT hire in the history of UT football. He's a joke simple as that.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
For some reason I can never truly hate Dooley like some people do.
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Haha I'm probably about to get ripped for saying this but I've never hated Dooley either. I thought he did a lot of great things and built a pretty good team. I think we were headed in the right direction he just made a terrible hire with sunseri
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Sooo after reading what Dez said, a lot of us were wrong in judging. It comes across fairly positive, the body movements and antics made it appear bad. They didn't release the exchange with Witten though.
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Keep truth far away from Dooley hating. You should know this by now.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
Dooley was an average coach with good intentions. He tried to change the atmosphere in Knoxville but his plan backfired. I always pulled for him and I hope he learns from it and grows from it.

His chances of turning the team was lost with the lack of control from many "me" players. That is what he walked into and failed. He deserved his buyout IMO.

Fans and reporters jumped on him early and I think it eventually caused him to give up mentally. He's human. I gave up on my company a few times and was just going through the motions. A lot of pressure dealing with delays, angery customers, putting your heart into it and not having enough to pay the bills. I can only imagine what his pressure was like. Walk a mile in his shoes.

I think if he had it to do over again he would have chosen a different route. Starting with Bray.
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On the same note, maybe you should walk a mile in Brays shoes.
 
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Vol865 said:
On the same note, maybe you should walk a mile in Brays shoes.
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Maybe I should. He gave up at times as well (maybe it was the pressure). My point is, outside of partying/beer bottles, did he really have a desire to win? Was he there pushing the team to succeed? I don't know but "to me" he was going through the motions. Kinda like the guy that shows up at your company to collect a paycheck but never had the desire to take it to the next level. When we were up, he was up but when we were down he looked like he was one of the first to quit. This is just my opinion on a forum. Nothing more.

That may be one of the reasons a lot of NFL teams passed on him. They all had a shot and didn't think he had that special quality. Everyone knows he's loaded with raw talent.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
Maybe I should. He gave up at times as well (maybe it was the pressure). My point is, outside of partying/beer bottles, did he really have a desire to win? Was he there pushing the team to succeed? I don't know but "to me" he was going through the motions. Kinda like the guy that shows up at your company to collect a paycheck but never had the desire to take it to the next level. When we were up, he was up but when we were down he looked like he was one of the first to quit. This is just my opinion on a forum. Nothing more.

That may be one of the reasons a lot of NFL teams passed on him. They all had a shot and didn't think he had that special quality. Everyone knows he's loaded with raw talent.
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Let's be honest though. Almost the whole team gave up on Dooley. That's why after he cost us the mizzou game Bray called his own plays against vandy. Because he was tired of getting screwed out of games because of just.doing what his coach told him. Was it right and did it work? No, but I can see why he did. I seen him get.extremely frustrated when Dooley wouldn't let them take a.shot at the end of regulation against mizzou. He pretty much told Bray ur had no faith in him, so Bray stopped caring what Dooleys said. He wasn't a poster child but he catches a lot of crap that isn't deserved. Not to mention he got very little development
 
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Vol865 said:
On the same note, maybe you should walk a mile in Brays shoes.
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Yeah, pick your poison with Bray or Dooley. You think Dooley was egotistical, you must not know Tyler Bray. Reminded me of my sister, "thought the world revolved around her." Granted Dooley has set us back as far as depth goes, but inconsistency and bad judgment (hiring Sal Sunseri) caused Dooley's failure. Yet, he also graced us with Cordarrelle, Justin Hunter, Curt Maggitt, Tiny, James Stone, A.J. Johnson, Jason Croom, Brian Randolph, McNeil, and Justin Coleman -- others. I truly believe if Dooley would have won one close game (LSU, Georgia, South Carolina) things would have turned around dramatically. Dooley was way too arrogant. He tried to run his camp like Saban, which only Saban could do. What some do not understand or choose not to see is Dooley had his hand in that brand new facility. Really if anything, Dooley did anything besides "be the worst coach in Tennessee history", he set this program up for a great rebound with that new building.

With that said, I am so thankful Butch Jones is our head coach. I hope he stays for decades.

Edit: I am sorry I spelled granted wrong. I put "granite", I have had one too many and on vacation.
 
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BoroVol20 said:
Yeah, pick your poison with Bray or Dooley. You think Dooley was egotistical, you must not know Tyler Bray. Reminded me of my sister, "thought the world revolved around her." Granite Dooley has set us back as far as depth goes, but inconsistency and bad judgment (hiring Sal Sunseri) caused Dooley's failure. Yet, he also graced us with Cordarrelle, Justin Hunter, Curt Maggitt, Tiny, James Stone, A.J. Johnson, Jason Croom, Brian Randolph, McNeil, and Justin Coleman -- others. I truly believe if Dooley would have won one close game (LSU, Georgia, South Carolina) things would have turned around dramatically. Dooley was way too arrogant. He tried to run his camp like Saban, which only Saban could do. What some do not understand or choose not to see is Dooley had his hand in that brand new facility. Really if anything, Dooley did anything besides "be the worst coach in Tennessee history", he set this program up for a great rebound with that new building.

With that said, I am so thankful Butch Jones is our head coach. I hope he stays for decades.
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I've said before that he would make a great AD, but he is nothing more than a WR coach when it comes to that side of things.
 
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Vol865 said:
Let's be honest though. Almost the whole team gave up on Dooley. That's why after he cost us the mizzou game Bray called his own plays against vandy. Because he was tired of getting screwed out of games because of just.doing what his coach told him. Was it right and did it work? No, but I can see why he did. I seen him get.extremely frustrated when Dooley wouldn't let them take a.shot at the end of regulation. He wasn't a poster child but he catches a lot of crap that isn't deserved.
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And Dooley doesn't. I'm not saying you're wrong but boy you sure think its all Dooley. He's gone, he got fired, he didn't perform. Pile more hate on Dooley but act like Tyler had nothing to do with it. Your argument just seems pot and kettle to me.

Did Tyler deserve to be our QB? Yes. Was his head on right? No. (My opinion). Could Dooley have changed that. Depends on if Tyler was "coachable". Again, NFL teams didnt think he was worth a draft pick. That says something for Tyler as well.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
And Dooley doesn't. I'm not saying you're wrong but boy you sure think its all Dooley. He's gone, he got fired, he didn't perform. Pile more hate on Dooley but act like Tyler had nothing to do with it. Your argument just seems pot and kettle to me.

Did Tyler deserve to be our QB? Yes. Was his head on right? No. (My opinion). Could Dooley have changed that. Depends on if Tyler was "coachable". Again, NFL teams didnt think he was worth a draft pick. That says something for Tyler as well.
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This ^ and that woman in your profile picture.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
And Dooley doesn't. I'm not saying you're wrong but boy you sure think its all Dooley. He's gone, he got fired, he didn't perform. Pile more hate on Dooley but act like Tyler had nothing to do with it. Your argument just seems pot and kettle to me.

Did Tyler deserve to be our QB? Yes. Was his head on right? No. (My opinion). Could Dooley have changed that. Depends on if Tyler was "coachable". Again, NFL teams didnt think he was worth a draft pick. That says something for Tyler as well.
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I didn't mean to make it seem like it was all Dooleys but yes I do put more on Dooley than Bray. IMO Bray played well MOST games. Dooleys was the CEO making millions. You have no reason to just go through the motions.

I was just giving the players perspective. As far as NFL teams go, they didn't think Foster was worth one either.
 
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AllVolForLife_16 said:
Loved how Dez just brushed Dooley off to the side. Shows how seriously he takes him as a coach.
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He thinks he's better than Calvin Johnson and took advice on how to act from the douchebag that is, Deion Sanders.

Deion Sanders: Nothing wrong with what Dez Bryant did on sideline vs. Detroit Lions

To sum the article up... Deion supports Dez Bryant's(and Terrell Owens') actions because he shows passion. Apparently that's what you want in a player. Selfishness and meltdowns of epic proportions. Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison be damned.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
Thanks! My wife of 14 years. Married her at 18 in Gatlinburg. Some stupid ideas can turn out to be great.
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Congrats on the marriage BTW



Wasn't trying to be an a$$. Just saying there's 2 sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is where you'll find the truth.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
For some reason I can never truly hate Dooley like some people do.
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I'm pretty much in this boat. I'm pretty sure he's a pompous butthole and he did do to Louisiana Tech what Kiffin did to us. At least the jump from LaTech to Tennessee is an obvious choice while Tennessee to USC is questionable. He came last second and despite his ties to Georgia, he wanted to win here. It just didn't work out.

I don't hate him. I don't really feel one way or the other for him.
 
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Vol865 said:
I didn't mean to make it seem like it was all Dooleys but yes I do put more on Dooley than Bray. IMO Bray played well MOST games. Dooleys was the CEO making millions. You have no reason to just go through the motions.

I was just giving the players perspective. As far as NFL teams go, they didn't think Foster was worth one either.
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Foster is the exception, not the rule. Good thing is, Bray is with the Cheifs and has time to mature under serious players. He has to look to them for leadership instead of others looking to him. That may turn out great for Bray. I hope so because he still was a Vol and I always pull for Vols in the NFL. I also think he was humbled by not getting drafted. Maybe his eyes are now open.

I will also pull for Dooley. Learn from his mistakes and sharpen his skills. I still believe he will turn out to be successful.

I sympathize with his situation. I know what it's like to fail while giving it everything you've got. At some point it wasnt about the money, he wanted to win badly but couldn't force it to happen. that can take a mans spirit. It will either destroy you or make you stronger. Being a positive person, I hope it makes him stronger.
 
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Vol865 said:
Congrats on the marriage BTW



Wasn't trying to be an a$$. Just saying there's 2 sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is where you'll find the truth.
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Thanks. Personally I liked the convo. Nothing else to do since the meds I'm taking won't allow me to sleep. Steroids suck btw.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
Foster is the exception, not the rule. Good thing is, Bray is with the Cheifs and has time to mature under serious players. He has to look to them for leadership instead of others looking to him. That may turn out great for Bray. I hope so because he still was a Vol and I always pull for Vols in the NFL. I also think he was humbled by not getting drafted. Maybe his eyes are now open.

I will also pull for Dooley. Learn from his mistakes and sharpen his skills. I still believe he will turn out to be successful.

I sympathize with his situation. I know what it's like to fail while giving it everything you've got. At some point it wasnt about the money, he wanted to win badly but couldn't force it to happen. that can take a mans spirit. It will either destroy you or make you stronger. Being a positive person, I hope it makes him stronger.
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I.was just saying I wouldn't bank on what some NFL teams decisions were. They are wrong quite often. Not to mention, not a single QB got selected in the first round. It just wasn't a good draft for QBs.
 
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