Doron Lamb will be a better college player than Chris Lofton

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I'll take Lofton's CAREER over a lot of guys who were better "all around players" anyday.
 
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If I were a UK fan, having seen his career, I'd take an 18-year-old Chris Lofton over Lamb right now and never look back. I bet most Cat fans would agree with that.

How much attention is Lamb going to attract from opposing defenses? MM's logic places a very large number of multi-skilled, role-playing guards in the better-than-Lofton category.

ukv
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BigPapaVol said:
Bold prediction, predicated upon less scoring. Pure genius.
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You are obviously short selling MM's genius. He is of course saying this on purpose even though he knows he is wrong, so that he can laugh at everyone who quoted him.

On the topic, Lamb will be a solid player and possibly has the skill set to surpass Lofton. However, he is probably not staying 4 years and it remains to be seen if he has the work ethic or desire to work hard enough to replace Lofton.

ukvols said:
If I were a UK fan, having seen his career, I'd take an 18-year-old Chris Lofton over Lamb right now and never look back. I bet most Cat fans would agree with that.

How much attention is Lamb going to attract from opposing defenses? MM's logic places a very large number of multi-skilled, role-playing guards in the better-than-Lofton category.

ukv
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I can't say I agree that I would take Lofton over Lamb as 18 year old recruits. However, I can say without hesitation that I would trade Lambs 1 or 2 years of contributions for Loftons 4 year career anyday.

HF
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
You are obviously short selling MM's genius. He is of course saying this on purpose even though he knows he is wrong, so that he can laugh at everyone who quoted him.

On the topic, Lamb will be a solid player and possibly the skill set to surpass Lofton. However, he is probably not staying 4 years and it remains to be seen if he has the work ethic or desire to work hard enough to replace Lofton.

HF
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My point was that removing scoring and shooting from the made it a certainty. Unfortunately for bad analysts everywhere, scoring and shooting are the biggest part of the equation, even for a d pusher like myself.

Hell, the number of people more gifted than Lofton everywhere else is enormous. Same for Steve Alford.
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if he's not "the guy" and he doesn't shoot as well as him he will never be better than chris loften... don't get me wrong i know defense is important but there is a reason loften was "the guy" and that was cause he could drill the 3 on call and under pressure
 
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BigPapaVol said:
My point was that removing scoring and shooting from the made it a certainty. Unfortunately for bad analysts everywhere, scoring and shooting are the biggest part of the equation, even for a d pusher like myself.

Hell, the number of people more gifted than Lofton everywhere else is enormous. Same for Steve Alford.
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beat me to it:rock:
 
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BigPapaVol said:
My point was that removing scoring and shooting from the made it a certainty. Unfortunately for bad analysts everywhere, scoring and shooting are the biggest part of the equation, even for a d pusher like myself.

Hell, the number of people more gifted than Lofton everywhere else is enormous. Same for Steve Alford.
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Doron Lamb is a very good shooter. Not in Meeks or Lofton category, but better than 90 percent of players out there. So, when you mix in that he's a darn good shooter and does EVERYTHING else better than Meeks and Lofton, yeah, he'll be a better player. He won't have the same role as Meeks OR Lofton, so he won't have the same career, but he'll be a better player.

If Meeks or Lofton played on this year's version of UK, I don't think they'd have nearly the opportunity/role they had on their respective teams.

mm
 
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Huh? Chris Lofton would not have had an easier time getting 3 pointers if he had Enes Kanter down low?

I get confused by you Marc. I do not take shots at you on here, but I really do not understand how you can say you are doing analysis and then not lay out things in more detail.

I would submit that Chris Lofton his junior year would have been able to score and accomplish even more if he was the SG for a team with the talent that this UK squad will have. If you disagree I want to know why.

Last year Calipari had guys who could not hit the ocean from outside which is why they lost to WVU. I am still baffled as to why he did not go to Cousins and P Pat every single play once they were 0-18 or whatever from 3 but still close enough to win.
 
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I am going on record that JuJuan Smith is a better College Player than Doron Lamb.

Now if you will excuse me, I need to go frost my hair and take a self-portrait to appeal to my delusional yet rabid gay fanbase.

PR
 
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Marc Maggard said:
Doron Lamb is a very good shooter. Not in Meeks or Lofton category, but better than 90 percent of players out there. So, when you mix in that he's a darn good shooter and does EVERYTHING else better than Meeks and Lofton, yeah, he'll be a better player. He won't have the same role as Meeks OR Lofton, so he won't have the same career, but he'll be a better player.

If Meeks or Lofton played on this year's version of UK, I don't think they'd have nearly the opportunity/role they had on their respective teams.

mm
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Ill take Jordan Mcrae over him without a doubt... Where my money???
 
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I propose that no one on this board ever mention the name of MM again. He obviously is infatuated with himself and likely googles himself daily, if not hourly. He has been owned numerous times, and not just on these boards. If we refrain from ever posting his name, he may not visit as much. This will benefit him as well as he will then have more free time to frost his hair to perfection.
Maybe we can just label him Frosted Flake.

PR
 
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BigPapaVol said:
My point was that removing scoring and shooting from the made it a certainty. Unfortunately for bad analysts everywhere, scoring and shooting are the biggest part of the equation, even for a d pusher like myself.

Hell, the number of people more gifted than Lofton everywhere else is enormous. Same for Steve Alford.
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Well said. It's uncommon to compare players and take shooting and scoring out of the equation. I think the better argument is Lamb has the chance to be a 'more complete' player than Lofton.
 
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So he'll be better than a pure long range shooter in every capacity, but scoring? Brilliant.
 
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Lofton was the man @ UT, he would have, arguably, been the man on a late tubby/bcg built UK team. On a Calipari built UK team Lofton would have been a roleplayer at best. Like was alluded to earlier, he was to UT for the better part of 4 years what Jodie Meeks was to UK, especially his senior year. However, you put either of them on a UK team like last year and their story has a great likelihood of changing.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
Lofton was the man @ UT, he would have, arguably, been the man on a late tubby/bcg built UK team. On a Calipari built UK team Lofton would have been a roleplayer at best. Like was alluded to earlier, he was to UT for the better part of 4 years what Jodie Meeks was to UK, especially his senior year. However, you put either of them on a UK team like last year and their story has a great likelihood of changing.
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I don't think anyone disputes that reasoning. It was just a really useless comparison that was made. Lofton was great at one thing: scoring from distance. It isn't saying anything at all to say a player will be better than him at everything BUT actually scoring.
 
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I must have misread, my apologies. I for sure was skimming but what i picked up was MM saying that as an overall player, Lamb would be better. If you consider that the ability to shoot is just a tiny percentage of what makes up being a basketball player and if Doron has the "check-marks" in his column in all other tangible categories, then it is quite easy to make the argument in favor of Doron.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
I must have misread, my apologies. I for sure was skimming but what i picked up was MM saying that as an overall player, Lamb would be better. If you consider that the ability to shoot is just a tiny percentage of what makes up being a basketball player and if Doron has the "check-marks" in his column in all other tangible categories, then it is quite easy to make the argument in favor of Doron.
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I could see that. As has been said on here many times before, in many ways Jajuan Smith was the better all around player for UT when Lofton was here.

MM was either being silly or just trying to illicit a rise out of vol fans. He isn't likely to get the rise he was expecting.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
Lofton was the man @ UT, he would have, arguably, been the man on a late tubby/bcg built UK team. On a Calipari built UK team Lofton would have been a roleplayer at best. Like was alluded to earlier, he was to UT for the better part of 4 years what Jodie Meeks was to UK, especially his senior year. However, you put either of them on a UK team like last year and their story has a great likelihood of changing.
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If UK would have had Lofton instead of, say, Bledsoe last season, they would have won the national title. That WVU game is a completely different story with Lofton in the lineup. Having his shooting at the 2-guard position, along with Wall and the other pieces, would have made UK unstoppable. Sure, Lofton wouldn't necessarily have been "the man." Lofton would have had a lower scoring average than his UT career. But, to say he would have been a "roleplayer at best" is wrong. That's beyond homerism; that's just plain wrong.

Not calling out Bledsoe here - I'm just naming him, because that's the position in the lineup that Lofton would have taken. And, I don't care about how high Bledsoe and a couple of other guys were taken in the Draft based largely on the overall hype of their team.
 
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IPorange said:
I could see that. As has been said on here many times before, in many ways Jajuan Smith was the better all around player for UT when Lofton was here.

MM was either being silly or just trying to illicit a rise out of vol fans. He isn't likely to get the rise he was expecting.
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He may have been better in more areas of the game, but I don't think the team would have skidded so badly during that stretch in 2007 when Lofton sprained his ankle had it instead been Smith's ankle.
 
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