Doug Dickey - Butch Jones

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vollygirl said:
I heard a radio conversation today and I only caught the tail end of it.

I don't know a lot of the history with Dickey, and thought there might be some posters here who could elaborate on potential similarities between Dickey and Jones?
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I had the good fortune to enroll my freshman year in 1965. The offense started off with Charlie Fulton at QB & Walter Chadwick at TB. Fulton was mostly a running QB & I remember a lot of option plays. Good enough to blow out Army 21-0 in my first game at Neyland. We were very excited about our team after the 1964 4-5-1 record!

Not good enough to beat Auburn with the option, they tied us 13 all. We played Bama there (I didn't go to the game), but we were tied 7-7 with Bama driving late in the game. I remember Stabler getting sacked on 2nd down, then ran for what he thought was a first down, then threw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. It had been 4th down, so we escaped with a tie!

Fulton went down vs. Ole Miss in Memphis & we lost the game. There goes the season, we thought!

Dewey Warren replaced Fulton & was totally different, a passing QB. Dickey was smart and gutsy enough to totally change the offense to take advantage of Warren's skills. The team was really exciting to watch now - we won the rest of our games, including a 37-34 win over UCLA in Memphis & a Bluebonnet Bowl game vs. Tulsa, 27-6. We deserved a better bowl game that year!

One of the biggest stories, though, was Dickey recruiting Richmond Flowers away from Bama. He came to UT to run track (100 yd. dash & 110 hurdles). Bama fans were so pissed at him coming to UT that it was even sweeter to watch him make plays. Freshmen couldn't play then, but he had 3 great years 1966-68. He was exciting to watch on track too.

In 1966 we lost to Bama at home in the rain - very depressing! Warren threw a pass to Fulton down to the two or three yard line with time running out & UT behind 11-10. The kicker had to kick from the right hash mark - it must have looked narrow from that angle. (IIRC the hash marks were wider then.) Kick missed & we lost. The worst feeling in the world! We beat Syracuse in the Gator Bowl to go 8-3.

We routed Bama 24-13 in 1967, went 9-2, incl. a loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. Very disappointing, the looked very rusty in that game.

Another win over Bama at Neyland in 1968. Revenge for 1966 - IIRC we blocked Bama's FG attempt with time running out to win 10-9! Another 9-2 season with a very disappointing loss to Texas in the Cotton Bowl.

Doug Dickey brought us exciting times while I was in school!
 
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vollygirl said:
I heard a radio conversation today and I only caught the tail end of it.

I don't know a lot of the history with Dickey, and thought there might be some posters here who could elaborate on potential similarities between Dickey and Jones?
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If CBJ is like Dickey then after a very successful rebuilding campaign here he will give away a game to his alma mater and leave us for them...

He may come back after selling tile in Florida but only as AD... :)
 
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Billy Antrim said:
I had the good fortune to enroll my freshman year in 1965. The offense started off with Charlie Fulton at QB & Walter Chadwick at TB. Fulton was mostly a running QB & I remember a lot of option plays. Good enough to blow out Army 21-0 in my first game at Neyland. We were very excited about our team after the 1964 4-5-1 record!

Not good enough to beat Auburn with the option, they tied us 13 all. We played Bama there (I didn't go to the game), but we were tied 7-7 with Bama driving late in the game. I remember Stabler getting sacked on 2nd down, then ran for what he thought was a first down, then threw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. It had been 4th down, so we escaped with a tie!

Fulton went down vs. Ole Miss in Memphis & we lost the game. There goes the season, we thought!

Dewey Warren replaced Fulton & was totally different, a passing QB. Dickey was smart and gutsy enough to totally change the offense to take advantage of Warren's skills. The team was really exciting to watch now - we won the rest of our games, including a 37-34 win over UCLA in Memphis & a Bluebonnet Bowl game vs. Tulsa, 27-6. We deserved a better bowl game that year!

One of the biggest stories, though, was Dickey recruiting Richmond Flowers away from Bama. He came to UT to run track (100 yd. dash & 110 hurdles). Bama fans were so pissed at him coming to UT that it was even sweeter to watch him make plays. Fresmen couldn't play then, but he had 3 great years 1966-68. He was exciting to watch on track too.

In 1966 we lost to Bama at home in the rain - very depressing! Warren through a pass to Fulton down to the two or three yard line with time running out & UT behind 11-10. The kicker had to kick from the right hash mark- it must have looked narrow from that angle. (IIRC the hash marks were wider then.) Kick missed & we lost. The worst feeling in the world! We beat Syracuse in the Gator Bowl to go 8-3.

We routed Bama 24-13 in 1967, went 9-2, incl. a loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. Very disappointing, the looked very rusty in that game.

Another win over Bama at Neyland in 1968. Revenge for 1966 - IIRC we blocked Bama's FG attempt with time running out to win 10-9! Another 9-2 season with a very disappointing loss to Texas in the Cotton Bowl.

Doug Dickey brought us exciting times while I was in school!
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Do you remember those sideline patterns to Johnny Mills

and the UCLA game...I belive it was 66"?
 
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I don't know much about TN before last few years of Fulmer and the miserable Kiffin and Dooley years.

Reading some some of recounts of is Dickey's games here is awesome. Thank you very much, and please do post any other stories of the the great games you guys remember.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Dickey played under Bob Woodruff at Florida, who was a Neyland protege. Woodruff, incidentally, played on the undefeated '38 team which beat Oklahoma, 17-0, in the Orange Bowl. Dickey later succeeded Woodruff as athletic director at Tennessee. As the link cited above indicates, Dickey is directly responsible for introducing several innovations which are now considered hallmark traditions. Dickey turned the program around quickly. In 1964, his first season, we were 4-5-1. In the next five years, Tennessee was 42-10-3 (See Tennessee Historical Scores) . Dickey went 3-2-1 in head-to-head competition with Bear Bryant, a record rivaled by few SEC coaches of that period. Dickey won SEC championships in 1967 and 1969 and, although Alabama fans will poo-poo it, the mythical national championship in '67 as awarded by Litkenhous.

Dickey also oversaw Tennessee's transition to the modern offensive era of college football. We were the last team in the country to give up the General's beloved single-wing and had lost two local quarterback prospects, Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan, because they could see no place for themselves in our then-antiquated offense. Two years after installing his offense, we had the nation's most efficient passer in 1966; Dewey Warren completed 136-229-7 for 1716 yds. and 18 tds (see p. 32 of http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf).

I can see the comparison on at least one level. Butch Jones strikes me as being both a very detail-oriented person and a master of psychological motivation tactics, both of which will carry him far if he has the time to implement his system and successfully recruit the kind of players necessary to stand toe-to-toe with the big boys in the SEC.
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Rex, thank you for the most clear, concise, relevant, and informational post I have ever read on this board.

However, since this is Volnation, you are banned for life! :)


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Ah. A refreshing reminder that Tennessee football has been around a long time and there are fans on this board that have seen around corners that some of us have not. I was at school during the Peyton era and the NC. But, wow! It is sooo cool to read posts about 1966 etc! Go Vols!
 
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Dickey installed the wing T but the important thing he did to turn porogram around was build the defence up so he could stop teams! He brought in two good middle LB's and built around them.
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By the way, I believe that the Bear never won a game against the General!!! It is in the archives somewhere.

Go Vols!!
 
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Billy Antrim said:
I had the good fortune to enroll my freshman year in 1965. The offense started off with Charlie Fulton at QB & Walter Chadwick at TB. Fulton was mostly a running QB & I remember a lot of option plays. Good enough to blow out Army 21-0 in my first game at Neyland. We were very excited about our team after the 1964 4-5-1 record!

Not good enough to beat Auburn with the option, they tied us 13 all. We played Bama there (I didn't go to the game), but we were tied 7-7 with Bama driving late in the game. I remember Stabler getting sacked on 2nd down, then ran for what he thought was a first down, then threw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. It had been 4th down, so we escaped with a tie!

Fulton went down vs. Ole Miss in Memphis & we lost the game. There goes the season, we thought!

Dewey Warren replaced Fulton & was totally different, a passing QB. Dickey was smart and gutsy enough to totally change the offense to take advantage of Warren's skills. The team was really exciting to watch now - we won the rest of our games, including a 37-34 win over UCLA in Memphis & a Bluebonnet Bowl game vs. Tulsa, 27-6. We deserved a better bowl game that year!

One of the biggest stories, though, was Dickey recruiting Richmond Flowers away from Bama. He came to UT to run track (100 yd. dash & 110 hurdles). Bama fans were so pissed at him coming to UT that it was even sweeter to watch him make plays. Fresmen couldn't play then, but he had 3 great years 1966-68. He was exciting to watch on track too.

In 1966 we lost to Bama at home in the rain - very depressing! Warren through a pass to Fulton down to the two or three yard line with time running out & UT behind 11-10. The kicker had to kick from the right hash mark- it must have looked narrow from that angle. (IIRC the hash marks were wider then.) Kick missed & we lost. The worst feeling in the world! We beat Syracuse in the Gator Bowl to go 8-3.

We routed Bama 24-13 in 1967, went 9-2, incl. a loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. Very disappointing, the looked very rusty in that game.

Another win over Bama at Neyland in 1968. Revenge for 1966 - IIRC we blocked Bama's FG attempt with time running out to win 10-9! Another 9-2 season with a very disappointing loss to Texas in the Cotton Bowl.

Doug Dickey brought us exciting times while I was in school!
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Thanks for posting this Billy! I wish someone was old enough to remember the 30's and 40's and could relay some stories! It's likely that they may not be message board posters tho. I wish I would have written down some stories told to me by "daddy" Dick Brady, a running back at UTC , and grandfather of another poster on here. He used to tell me about my Avatar, Cafego... An all time great UT player. Brady played d as well and had to tackle Cafego, as well as be tackled by him. I remember him saying to me once after asking what kind of fella was he? Brady snipped.. " He was a tough son of a *****." Lol
 
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Sale Creek Vol said:
It means someone who had ties to the program, like oh, Phillip Fulmer for example. Duh!!
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It would have been nice if Fulmer had hired top assistants to replace guys like Cutcliffe. They could have kept the program going strong and eventually took over but Fulmer hired Randy Sanders and Dave Clawson because he was afraid they would do to him what he did to Johnny Majors.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Dickey played under Bob Woodruff at Florida, who was a Neyland protege. Woodruff, incidentally, played on the undefeated '38 team which beat Oklahoma, 17-0, in the Orange Bowl. Dickey later succeeded Woodruff as athletic director at Tennessee. As the link cited above indicates, Dickey is directly responsible for introducing several innovations which are now considered hallmark traditions. Dickey turned the program around quickly. In 1964, his first season, we were 4-5-1. In the next five years, Tennessee was 42-10-3 (See Tennessee Historical Scores) . Dickey went 3-2-1 in head-to-head competition with Bear Bryant, a record rivaled by few SEC coaches of that period. Dickey won SEC championships in 1967 and 1969 and, although Alabama fans will poo-poo it, the mythical national championship in '67 as awarded by Litkenhous.

Dickey also oversaw Tennessee's transition to the modern offensive era of college football. We were the last team in the country to give up the General's beloved single-wing and had lost two local quarterback prospects, Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan, because they could see no place for themselves in our then-antiquated offense. Two years after installing his offense, we had the nation's most efficient passer in 1966; Dewey Warren completed 136-229-7 for 1716 yds. and 18 tds (see p. 32 of http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf).

I can see the comparison on at least one level. Butch Jones strikes me as being both a very detail-oriented person and a master of psychological motivation tactics, both of which will carry him far if he has the time to implement his system and successfully recruit the kind of players necessary to stand toe-to-toe with the big boys in the SEC.
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WTF is dave hart doing.

This guy needs to have some kind of job in the AD educating coaches/staff/donors/recruits/players on Tennessee Football.

I feel like I just sat in the Matrix training chair and downloaded Tennessee football info overload.
 
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Billy Antrim said:
In 1966 we lost to Bama at home in the rain - very depressing! Warren through a pass to Fulton down to the two or three yard line with time running out & UT behind 11-10. The kicker had to kick from the right hash mark- it must have looked narrow from that angle. (IIRC the hash marks were wider then.) Kick missed & we lost. The worst feeling in the world!
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I had an end zone seat behind the goalposts and still think that kick was good!! :yes:

That was the last time I'd see Neyland Stadium for the next 5 years as I'd graduated UTLaw and was off to the Air Force the next week. I did get to see the VOLS in the LA Coliseum in a losing effort to UCLA the next year while I was stationed in Southern California. That was a tough loss as we were ahead when Gary Beban made a play to beat us. :(

The Dickey Years were good ones for the VOLS.

I don't care where Jones is from if he can turn us back into a winner.
 
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StoVol said:
Rex, thanks. Being born in 1970, I don't remember much pre 1975 except for faint memories of my father and grandfather being either jubilant or pissed depending on the outcome of the game. The early seventies was when color tv's really started to take off. Although they'd been around a few years, not everyone could afford one. Funny to think about now. People would freak out having to watch b & w.
It's good to see your perspective about our history. For instance, it's sad for me that guys who are 30 or younger never got to see the delongs play, or dale jones, or the sugar bowl... A game where inferior TN was supposed to get buzz sawed by the great Miami. After Miami went up 7-0 I've never seen a more dominant performance between 2 good teams.
I wonder how many fans see Charles Davis on tv sportscasting and don't even realize what a great player he was for us.
I keep all this in mind when I hear you tell about an era I'm ignorant of, realizing the TN spirit ran thru them as well.
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I agree completely. In 45 years of fandom, the 1986 Sugar Bowl was, without question, the most inspired single performance by a Tennessee football team that I ever witnessed.
 
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To really illustrate just how thoroughly Dickey revamped Tennessee's offense, consider the following facts: From 1950 to 1965, no Tennessee player threw more than 79 passes, completed more than 44 attempts, passed for more than 588 yds. or hurled more than 8 touchdown passes (see p. 13 [333] of 2012 Tennessee Football Record Book: Records). Then, in '66, Dewey Warren attempted 229 passes, threw for 1716 yds., and completed 18 touchdown passes.

During the same period, no Tennessee receiver had caught more than 23 passes or amassed more than 357 yds. receiving in a single season. Then, in 1966, Johnny Mills had 48 receptions for 725 yds. and 4 tds., including a monumental 225-yd. performance against Kentucky, which remains the 3rd most yards in a single game by a Tennessee receiver.

By analogy, you might call that transition comparable to going from a Model T Ford to a Corvette . . . in two years.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
To really illustrate just how thoroughly Dickey revamped Tennessee's offense, consider the following facts: From 1950 to 1965, no Tennessee player threw more than 79 passes, completed more than 44 attempts, passed for more than 588 yds. or hurled more than 8 touchdown passes (see p. 13 [333] of 2012 Tennessee Football Record Book: Records). Then, in '66, Dewey Warren attempted 229 passes, threw for 1716 yds., and completed 18 touchdown passes. By analogy, you might call that transition comparable to going from a Model T Ford to a Corvette.
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DW coached my husband in high school. Love reading this stuff!

You guys are awesome!!!
 
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In '66, I sat in sec S, a great angle. I thought the kick was good too. I love these posts! I loved Dickey then. But, I remember the 69 Ole Miss game (Archie Who?) and the Gator Bowl. We coulda been Nat. Champs in 69! Both games are great reminders of our KY game in Lex last yr when a team doesn't show up. Dickey was on his way home to the Gators and the team knew it. Anyway, I loved Dickey for what he did for us. I wish he had stayed. And after the outstanding job at Florida (not), I'll bet he wishes he had stayed at UT. I just wish he hadn't shrunk all our butts to 17" to squeeze in Neyland!
 
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Billy Antrim said:
I had the good fortune to enroll my freshman year in 1965. The offense started off with Charlie Fulton at QB & Walter Chadwick at TB. Fulton was mostly a running QB & I remember a lot of option plays. Good enough to blow out Army 21-0 in my first game at Neyland. We were very excited about our team after the 1964 4-5-1 record!

Not good enough to beat Auburn with the option, they tied us 13 all. We played Bama there (I didn't go to the game), but we were tied 7-7 with Bama driving late in the game. I remember Stabler getting sacked on 2nd down, then ran for what he thought was a first down, then threw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. It had been 4th down, so we escaped with a tie!

Fulton went down vs. Ole Miss in Memphis & we lost the game. There goes the season, we thought!

Dewey Warren replaced Fulton & was totally different, a passing QB. Dickey was smart and gutsy enough to totally change the offense to take advantage of Warren's skills. The team was really exciting to watch now - we won the rest of our games, including a 37-34 win over UCLA in Memphis & a Bluebonnet Bowl game vs. Tulsa, 27-6. We deserved a better bowl game that year!

One of the biggest stories, though, was Dickey recruiting Richmond Flowers away from Bama. He came to UT to run track (100 yd. dash & 110 hurdles). Bama fans were so pissed at him coming to UT that it was even sweeter to watch him make plays. Fresmen couldn't play then, but he had 3 great years 1966-68. He was exciting to watch on track too.

In 1966 we lost to Bama at home in the rain - very depressing! Warren through a pass to Fulton down to the two or three yard line with time running out & UT behind 11-10. The kicker had to kick from the right hash mark- it must have looked narrow from that angle. (IIRC the hash marks were wider then.) Kick missed & we lost. The worst feeling in the world! We beat Syracuse in the Gator Bowl to go 8-3.

We routed Bama 24-13 in 1967, went 9-2, incl. a loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. Very disappointing, the looked very rusty in that game.

Another win over Bama at Neyland in 1968. Revenge for 1966 - IIRC we blocked Bama's FG attempt with time running out to win 10-9! Another 9-2 season with a very disappointing loss to Texas in the Cotton Bowl.

Doug Dickey brought us exciting times while I was in school!
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I can't find anything in the way of video clips for the '65 UCLA game on Youtube. For our younger fans, however, it was one of the great offensive shootouts of that era. I have managed, however, to find most of the '66 Gator Bowl vs. Syracuse, a team, incidentally, that featured Larry Csonka and Floyd Little, who combined for 300 yds. rushing in a losing cause. For some inexplicable reason, this game was posted in seven segments:

(segment 1) 1966 Gator Bowl - Tennessee vs. Syracuse 1 of 7 - YouTube

(segment 3) 1966 Gator Bowl - Tennessee vs. Syracuse 3 of 7 - YouTube

(segment 4) 1966 gator bowl - Tennessee vs. Syracuse 4 of 7 - YouTube

(segment 5) 1966 Gator Bowl - Tennessee vs. Syracuse 5 of 7 - YouTube

(segment 6) 1966 Gator Bowl - Tennessee vs. Syracuse - 6 of 7 - YouTube

(segment 7) 1966 Gator Bowl - Tennessee vs. Syracuse 7 of 7 - YouTube

With respect to the 1968 Orange Bowl game vs. Oklahoma, we came back from a 19-0 deficit, but lost when Karl Kremser, Tennessee's first soccer-style kicker, narrowly missed a 43-yd. field goal. Here are second-half excerpts from that game: 1/1/1968 Orange Bowl - Oklahoma vs. Tennessee - YouTube

Here are highlights of the 1968 season, John Ward's first as Tennessee's announcer: Tennessee Football 1968 Highlights - YouTube

Here are highlights from the 1969 season: Tennessee Football 1969 "The Year of the Championship" - YouTube
 
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vollygirl said:
DW coached my husband in high school. Love reading this stuff!

You guys are awesome!!!
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Tennessee fans may be surprised to learn that Dewey Warren, also known as "the Swamp Rat," was "instrumental in revolutionizing college football under LaVell Edwards at Brigham Young. Edwards, who had spent his career as a defensive coach, became head coach in 1972; he knew that BYU lacked the blue-chip athletes necessary to win consistently with a conventional run-oriented game and so handed the offense to Warren, who had been hired to install a passing attack. Warren's offense turned every running play into a passing play, and overwhelmed defenses with four and five receivers, coming from every possible position in the offense. Although Warren left BYU after only two seasons, his offense, led by quarterback Gary Sheide, was already setting records. BYU continues to use his offense, with further refinements, today." Dewey Warren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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