Doug Dickey - Butch Jones

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Interesting side note on Dickey. Ray Graves the UF coach Dickey replaced was a UT alum and was born in Knoxville. Uf had a Ut alum as head coach and UT had a If alum as head coach.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Tennessee fans may be surprised to learn that Dewey Warren, also known as "the Swamp Rat," was "instrumental in revolutionizing college football under LaVell Edwards at Brigham Young. Edwards, who had spent his career as a defensive coach, became head coach in 1972; he knew that BYU lacked the blue-chip athletes necessary to win consistently with a conventional run-oriented game and so handed the offense to Warren, who had been hired to install a passing attack. Warren's offense turned every running play into a passing play, and overwhelmed defenses with four and five receivers, coming from every possible position in the offense. Although Warren left BYU after only two seasons, his offense, led by quarterback Gary Sheide, was already setting records. BYU continues to use his offense, with further refinements, today." Dewey Warren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I had no idea warren was connected with edwards. It's the same place the air raid sprung from.


Also, prob the greatest comeback in Tn history, certainly up there, would be the miracle in south bend. Listening to John ward describe Floyd Miley's blocked fg return for a td is classic John and bill for those who were not blessed to grow up with them. John ward is the right behind the general IMO. Scroll to bottom and watch the condensed video version of the comeback, John and bill with the audio....
Top 10 Tennessee Comebacks since 1990 - Rocky Top Talk
 
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Take a look at the following stats for the 1969 and 1970 defenses:

Pass defense stats for 1969: Opponents completed 152-288 passes for 1990 yds. and 11 tds, with 30 interceptions.

Pass defense stats for 1970: Opponents completed 174-358 passes for 1963 yds. and only 4 tds, with a mind-boggling 36 interceptions. That is an incomprehensible 1:9 ratio for touchdowns/interceptions. See p. 33(353) of 2012 Tennessee Football Record Book: Records

Over those two years, we intercepted an equally astonishing 1 out of every ten pass attempts. Those boys could play some serious pass defense.
 
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Billy Antrim said:
In 1966 we lost to Bama at home in the rain - very depressing! Warren through a pass to Fulton down to the two or three yard line with time running out & UT behind 11-10. The kicker had to kick from the right hash mark- it must have looked narrow from that angle. (IIRC the hash marks were wider then.) Kick missed & we lost. The worst feeling in the world! We beat Syracuse in the Gator Bowl to go 8-3.
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I was there. Even as a 10 yr old that was a punch in the gut. I already knew how precious a win over bama was.

Poor Gary Wright - the slippery conditions and the angle had a lot to do with the miss, but it was still only a chip shot/extra point. He got saddled with the name Wide Wright after that.
 
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StoVol said:
Thanks for posting this Billy! I wish someone was old enough to remember the 30's and 40's and could relay some stories! It's likely that they may not be message board posters tho. I wish I would have written down some stories told to me by "daddy" Dick Brady, a running back at UTC , and grandfather of another poster on here. He used to tell me about my Avatar, Cafego... An all time great UT player. Brady played d as well and had to tackle Cafego, as well as be tackled by him. I remember him saying to me once after asking what kind of fella was he? Brady snipped.. " He was a tough son of a *****." Lol
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I worked for the University of Tennessee Physics Department from 1974-1992 and my superior at that time told me UT football stories. I have no idea if they were accurate or if it was just how he remembered them. The 2 quotes I remember him saying frequently was from Cafego about Vanderbilt and Bear Bryant's fumble drill.

Cafego, according to my boss, said that the SEC should find a team who could lose to Vanderbilt so they could kick both of them out of the conference"

The other quote from Bear Bryant, again, according to my boss, the Bear would get a circle of football players, and tell them that he was going to pitch the ball in the middle of the circle and that "I don't want to see a one of you son-of-a-b!tches without a football"
 
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When Dickey took over in '64, we were pretty sorry. Had had a good run in the early & mid 50s, then it tailed off. By 1967, we were SEC champs & a botched FG call vs OK in the Orange Bowl from the Nat'l Title. (We did win the title in a few polls)
 
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Coastypop said:
Do you remember those sideline patterns to Johnny Mills

and the UCLA game...I belive it was 66"?
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Johnny Mills was awesome! IIRC he used to tell Warren "Just throw the ball and I'll catch it."

I can remember at least one game at Neyland when I was in the student section at field level. When Warren would throw the ball to the far side of the field I would hold my breath, because we couldn't see who was over there. Then two arms would come up & it would be another Mills catch! He was a sure thing!

I couldn't go to the 1965 UCLA game in Memphis, so we listened to it on the radio. Very exciting game - wished I'd been there. IIRC Mills broke his arm in three places in that game trying to make a catch.

In 1966 we lost to UCLA in L.A., so I didn't get to see that one either.
 
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therealitytheory said:
I was there. Even as a 10 yr old that was a punch in the gut. I already knew how precious a win over bama was.

Poor Gary Wright - the slippery conditions and the angle had a lot to do with the miss, but it was still only a chip shot/extra point. He got saddled with the name Wide Wright after that.
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I've never been so miserable after a game - physically & mentally. We had it won! and then.... :cray:
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
One of my favorite memories from the Dickey era was the '69 Alabama game. It wasn't a play per se, but this event was illustrative of just how thoroughly we dominated the Tide in that game, one in which we led 34-0 before 'bama added a couple of late touchdowns for cosmetic effect:

"Tennessee linebacker Steve Kiner chastised Alabama players for not playing better for Bear Bryant in the 1969 game at Legion Field. Former Tennessee assistant coach Bob Davis was there on the sidelines when it happened. Tennessee was ahead 34-0, and coach Doug Dickey was getting his first-line defenders out of the game.

"They had a play that ended right in front of us," Davis said. "Before he came to the bench, Kiner screamed at the Alabama players. He pointed to Coach Bryant and said, 'Look over there at that poor old man. He looks pitiful. Can you see him? You've let him down. You should be ashamed of yourselves.' " Tom Mattingly: SEC talk not for the faint of heart » GoVolsXtra

Other accounts also allege that Kiner added as a final stinging remark: "There was a time when those crimson jersies meant something."
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My gosh....how awesome to be that good again that you can scold the other team for not playing well. Kiner = BAMF!:rock:
 
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I met Coach Fulmer once and mentioned this incident since he was on the team at that time. He said, "The strange thing is that Steve really did say that!" According to this 1971 article, Kiner said something else to Bryant after the game that really struck a nerve:

"In 1969 even Vanderbilt beat Alabama. And there was the time that same year when, after Tennessee had humbled the Tide 41-14, Tennessee Linebacker Steve Kiner came up to Bryant and said, "Gee, Coach, they don't seem to have the same pride in wearing that red jersey anymore." Bryant [would] never forget Kiner's words." See That is what Alabama had lost, along with 10 games in - 10.11.71 - SI Vault

Apparently, there was a great mutual respect between Kiner and Bryant, who described our two-time All-American as "the best linebacker in the SEC since Lee Roy Jordan." See Archives for July 2012 | The Vol Historian | GoVolsXtra.com. It is easy to understand why. If anything, Steve's performance in the '69 Alabama game surpassed Al Wilson's sterling performance in the 1998 Florida game. Kiner was a one-man wrecking crew in that victory over 'bama; he amassed "five sacks, 11 tackles with five assists, four quarterback hurries, an interception and a forced fumble." See UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics - Football
 
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You know that feeling after you have sat with a old timer and he just loaded u with knowledge if the past , that is how I feel if this post absolutely a great post and comments
 
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I work for his son Daryl at UWG, Doug comes to practices sometimes and some games. He comes across as a very knowledgeable and energetic guy
 
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Redfishvol, you make me feel like a tribal elder. All right, I am willing to embrace that role. "Gather around my children and I will tell you of the long ago time when the Earth was still young and Tennessee strode across the land like a giant among men." Seriously, it is important for Tennessee fans who came of age during the dark years of the late Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley era to realize that their program has a proud, indeed GREAT, history of sustained excellence. Like all traditional powers, we have gone through peaks and valleys. We have never known quite the dizzying heights that Alabama has enjoyed. On the other hand, we have never sunk to the depths of despair associated with their program. And, no, I am not referring to NCAA violations.

It is highly unlikely that we will ever achieve these dubious feats, ones amassed by Alabama: 17 consecutive losses (from 11/13/54-10/20/56) and 19 consecutive games without a victory (10/30/54-10/20/56). Included within that streak of infamy were back-to-back losses to the Commodes (21-6 and 32-7) and Tennessee (20-0 and 24-0). During that 19-game span, Alabama was shut out NINE times. For all of the great teams that Alabama has fielded over the years, let us also raise our glasses to the perfect record of the 1955 Crimson Tide, a squad that went 0-10-0 and scored only 48 points all year. See Alabama Historical Scores. For all of the negativity that is so frequently spewed on these message boards, it is important to realize that things truly can get worse, a lot worse, than what we have experienced in the last 5-8 years.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Redfishvol, you make me feel like a tribal elder. All right, I am willing to embrace that role.
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My great-grandmother used to tell me about driving to New York and the guys jumping on her car and washing her windshield for tips in the Holland Tunnel. I'm 46, btw, and her stories of dancing and teaching and things in her young adult life are some of my most treasured memories.

I hope the respect comes through when I say this....your input is valued more than you could possibly imagine. Some of us don't have living relatives who can relate these things to us on a personal level. I am so glad you're willing to share! Thank you!!
 
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Billy Antrim said:
Johnny Mills was awesome! IIRC he used to tell Warren "Just throw the ball and I'll catch it."

I can remember at least one game at Neyland when I was in the student section at field level. When Warren would throw the ball to the far side of the field I would hold my breath, because we couldn't see who was over there. Then two arms would come up & it would be another Mills catch! He was a sure thing!

I couldn't go to the 1965 UCLA game in Memphis, so we listened to it on the radio. Very exciting game - wished I'd been there. IIRC Mills broke his arm in three places in that game trying to make a catch.

In 1966 we lost to UCLA in L.A., so I didn't get to see that one either.
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Thanks for the reply...one of my favorite players was J Mills......... He was the reason the word "money" was coined...JK


The 65 UCLA game was great game to watch if you didn't care who won, but very nerve racking when you were a UT fan.

I remember Margie Ison on WBIR in 1967 I think maybe 68 (?) we were ranked #2 Nationally and on her weather map she had these words "We are number #2, but we try harder" that phrase came from an old commercial from that time
 
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vollygirl said:
My great-grandmother used to tell me about driving to New York and the guys jumping on her car and washing her windshield for tips in the Holland Tunnel. I'm 46, btw, and her stories of dancing and teaching and things in her young adult life are some of my most treasured memories.

I hope the respect comes through when I say this....your input is valued more than you could possibly imagine. Some of us don't have living relatives who can relate these things to us on a personal level. I am so glad you're willing to share! Thank you!!
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Thanks vollygirl. I'm really not that ancient, however, just ten years older than you. I was fortunate enough to become a Tennessee fan at precisely the time Dickey was rebuilding Tennessee into a national power. My first vague football-related memories are, strangely, of Navy playing in a bowl game. It turns out that it was their last appearance in a major bowl (1963); Roger Staubach was quarterback and won the Heisman Trophy that year. I vaguely recall the 1965 Bluebonnet Bowl, which we won 27-6 over Tulsa. In those days, there was typically one game broadcast nationally per week so you were very lucky to see your team, no matter how good they were, on TV two or three times a year. I remember the 1966 Gator Bowl victory over Syracuse more clearly. Future Pro Football Hall of Fame running backs Larry Csonka and Floyd Little combined for 300 years against us but were unable to overcome the 18-0 lead we had established. We first acquired a transistor radio in 1967 and listened to every game that season and, of course, I have been a deeply devout Big Orange fan ever since. It was George Mooney's last season as the "Voice of the Vols." See George Mooney was voice for fans from 1952 to 1967 » GoVolsXtra. (How many of you know that the famed Notre Dame broadcaster, Lindsey Nelson, actually started the Vol Network in 1949? See (UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics - Facilities). Mooney, incidentally, was a much more polished announcer than John Ward but John was so much more colorful. Speaking of the legendary one, these play calls should really bring back a flood of memories: Tennessee Football - John Ward Announcer - Greatest Play Calls - YouTube
 
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phantomvol said:
Kiner was a beast in an orange jersey
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Yes he was. I know that younger fans may consider it heresy, but I was more impressed by Kiner's play than any Tennessee linebacker since, including Al Wilson. Of course, part of that could justifiably be attributed to the wide-eyed wonderment of a 12-13 year-old kid viewing his exploits. On the other hand, I would not trade the fire with which Al played or the leadership he exuded on the battlefield for anything in the world. Al was the soul of the '98 National Championship team and that is no exaggeration.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Dickey played under Bob Woodruff at Florida, who was a Neyland protege. Woodruff, incidentally, played on the undefeated '38 team which beat Oklahoma, 17-0, in the Orange Bowl. Dickey later succeeded Woodruff as athletic director at Tennessee. As the link cited above indicates, Dickey is directly responsible for introducing several innovations which are now considered hallmark traditions. Dickey turned the program around quickly. In 1964, his first season, we were 4-5-1. In the next five years, Tennessee was 42-10-3 (See Tennessee Historical Scores) . Dickey went 3-2-1 in head-to-head competition with Bear Bryant, a record rivaled by few SEC coaches of that period. Dickey won SEC championships in 1967 and 1969 and, although Alabama fans will poo-poo it, the mythical national championship in '67 as awarded by Litkenhous.

Dickey also oversaw Tennessee's transition to the modern offensive era of college football. We were the last team in the country to give up the General's beloved single-wing and had lost two local quarterback prospects, Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan, because they could see no place for themselves in our then-antiquated offense. Two years after installing his offense, we had the nation's most efficient passer in 1966; Dewey Warren completed 136-229-7 for 1716 yds. and 18 tds (see p. 32 of http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf).

I can see the comparison on at least one level. Butch Jones strikes me as being both a very detail-oriented person and a master of psychological motivation tactics, both of which will carry him far if he has the time to implement his system and successfully recruit the kind of players necessary to stand toe-to-toe with the big boys in the SEC.
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Volosaurus rex said:
One of my favorite memories from the Dickey era was the '69 Alabama game. It wasn't a play per se, but this event was illustrative of just how thoroughly we dominated the Tide in that game, one in which we led 34-0 before 'bama added a couple of late touchdowns for cosmetic effect:

"Tennessee linebacker Steve Kiner chastised Alabama players for not playing better for Bear Bryant in the 1969 game at Legion Field. Former Tennessee assistant coach Bob Davis was there on the sidelines when it happened. Tennessee was ahead 34-0, and coach Doug Dickey was getting his first-line defenders out of the game.

"They had a play that ended right in front of us," Davis said. "Before he came to the bench, Kiner screamed at the Alabama players. He pointed to Coach Bryant and said, 'Look over there at that poor old man. He looks pitiful. Can you see him? You've let him down. You should be ashamed of yourselves.' " Tom Mattingly: SEC talk not for the faint of heart » GoVolsXtra

Other accounts also allege that Kiner added as a final stinging remark: "There was a time when those crimson jersies meant something."
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These are the two most enjoyable posts I've ever read on VolNation... by a long shot. Thanks guys. :)
 
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Volsfan4243 said:
It would have been nice if Fulmer had hired top assistants to replace guys like Cutcliffe. They could have kept the program going strong and eventually took over but Fulmer hired Randy Sanders and Dave Clawson because he was afraid they would do to him what he did to Johnny Majors.
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I totally agree with the exception he knew what he was doing with Sanders by allowing him to take the heat but not letting him be a true coordinator and calling the plays!
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