Draft Day Blues

#26
#26
(Lexvol @ May 1 said:
They hate to hear people like that talk about success that never comes to fruition. Arrogance is usually tolerated if supported by ability and the production of RESULTS.
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Bingo!

The difference between being remembered as cocky and being remembered as an SOB is usually determined by W's and L's.
 
#27
#27
(GAVol @ May 1 said:
Bingo!

The difference between being remembered as cocky and being remembered as an SOB is usually determined by W's and L's.
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Then why do people totally dismiss Washington's monster 2001 season? They also fail to consider that he came back to UT for another season, got injured for his troubles, and cost himself several million dollars by falling out of the first round.
 
#28
#28
(volinasheville @ May 1 said:
I don't think it is completely the subtle variable, the folks on this board don't generally care much for the Vanilla Ice twins that played QB either.
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Everyone was certainly on Rick's bandwagon after the LSU game.
 
#29
#29
(hatvol96 @ May 1 said:
Then why do people totally dismiss Washington's monster 2001 season? They also fail to consider that he came back to UT for another season, got injured for his troubles, and cost himself several million dollars by falling out of the first round.
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Because he didn't really make the team any better as proved by the number of championships during his tenure. One season does not denote the kind of greatness that KW implied everytime he opened his mouth.
 
#31
#31
(hatvol96 @ May 1 said:
Everyone was certainly on Rick's bandwagon after the LSU game.
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And at the end of Kelley's first year we were on his bandwagon, same with Pickens and Lewis.
 
#32
#32
(volinasheville @ May 1 said:
With 63 catches and 8 TDs KW hasn't exactly lit it up in the pros and made himself millions either.
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That doesn't change the fact that being silly enough to come back and play for an ungrateful, jealous group of fans cost him a fortune.
 
#33
#33
(volinasheville @ May 1 said:
And at the end of Kelley's first year we were on his bandwagon, same with Pickens and Lewis.
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And, as soon as those two strong, opinionated black men spoke their minds, the fan base turned on them.
 
#34
#34
Maybe what was on their minds should have stayed off of their tongues. This is a tough lesson for all of us to learn.
 
#35
#35
(volsfan711 @ May 1 said:
Tennessee is very much a blue collar state, we like the hard worker quiet type. While in flashy places like Miami they like flashy players. It all depends on the area you are in.
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I wouldn't call Norman, OK "flashy." Yet their fans don't turn on players for expressing themselves.
 
#36
#36
Rick's comments at the end of the LSU game criticizing the coaching staff caused me to turn on him as well.
 
#37
#37
(Lexvol @ May 1 said:
Maybe what was on their minds should have stayed off of their tongues. This is a tough lesson for all of us to learn.
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I never think the truth should be witheld. Carl and Jam were spot on with their criticisms and comments about the program.
 
#38
#38
(volinasheville @ May 1 said:
Rick's comments at the end of the LSU game criticizing the coaching staff caused me to turn on him as well.
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He didn't say anything that wasn't accurate. If the truth hurts, so be it.
 
#39
#39
Sometimes learning how communicate the truth is more effective than the truth itself. You have to know how to communicate with your audience. Especially when the truth hurts.
 
#40
#40
Just pointing out the motive isn't necessarily racial. You make that accusation frequently and it isn't always true.
 
#41
#41
As far as guys not getting drafted, IMO it has more to do with the player than the coaches. Regardless of how bad your coaches may be, you still have access to the weight room and practice facilities and if you truly have NFL talent and want it bad enough you will do what you have to do to get there.

On the other hand, I completely agree that this type of performance on draft day is a complete turn off to the 4 and 5 star HS All Americans who we want and need to come to UT if we are ever going to contend for another NC. I agree that is is very unrealistic for most kids, including most highly rated HS prospects, to expect to get to the NFL. However, that does not change the fact that those most kids and their families beleive that they have NFL potential and they want to go somewhere that will best ensure talent development and media exposure. Regardless of what you may think about Jimmy Clausen at this point in time, try and reflect on his words, and I paraphrase: my brothers both wanted to be in the NFL and their dreams were crushed. The two words that were missing from the end of that phrase that every top prosepct in America will infer are "at Tennessee". Just remember that in recruiting we are not dealing with sophisticated adults who can look through the hype, perform independent critical analysis, and make wholly informed, independent decisions. Instead we are dealing primarily with children from a spoiled generation who want instant gratification. They are not going to give us a second look if they do not believe that by coming to UT they will be propelled to fame and fortune by playing a game. And for those of you who say that you don't want the talent if it comes with unrealistic expectations and huge egos then all I can say is there are a bunch of season tickets available at MTSU.
 
#42
#42
(volinasheville @ May 1 said:
Just pointing out the motive isn't necessarily racial. You make that accusation frequently and it isn't always true.
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You make a good point. It probably is more an urban vs. rural clash of ideas. It simply manifests itself in a manner that heaps disproportionate criticism on black players who speak their mind.
 
#43
#43
(hatvol96 @ May 1 said:
You make a good point. It probably is more an urban vs. rural clash of ideas. It simply manifests itself in a manner that heaps disproportionate criticism on black players who spek their mind.
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In that we agree.
 
#44
#44
(Lexvol @ May 1 said:
Sometimes learning how communicate the truth is more effective than the truth itself. You have to know how to communicate with your audience. Especially when the truth hurts.
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How else could, using Jam as an example, the truth be communicated? If the truth is that fans never accuse injured white players of saving themselves for the NFL, how else do you say that? If it's true that a portion of the fan base has a problem that you were "spending time" with Ace Clement, how else do you say that?
 
#45
#45
(hatvol96 @ May 1 said:
Injuring his neck had a lot more to do with it than any comments to the media. It's typical of UT fans. They want their players all "Golly Gee, I'm just happy to help UT." Guys who speak their mind, Carl Pickens, Kelly Washington, Jamal Lewis, etc., get crucified. Guys who play the "I'll be fan friendly game," Peyton Manning, Heath Shuler, etc., get deified. There's a not so subtle variable there.
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Your golly gee definition of most UT fans is missing the mark.UT fans have developed a love for the game handed down through their families for the most part.You step on a lot of UT fans past and present whenever you belittle them as you do. You need to get a grip or what I like to say, "Measure your words". :dunno:
 
#46
#46
(hatvol96 @ May 1 said:
Injuring his neck had a lot more to do with it than any comments to the media. It's typical of UT fans. They want their players all "Golly Gee, I'm just happy to help UT." Guys who speak their mind, Carl Pickens, Kelly Washington, Jamal Lewis, etc., get crucified. Guys who play the "I'll be fan friendly game," Peyton Manning, Heath Shuler, etc., get deified. There's a not so subtle variable there.
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you got all of that out of my one line reply? jeez. get a grip man.
 
#47
#47
(jakez4ut @ May 1 said:
you got all of that out of my one line reply? jeez. get a grip man.
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Only the first sentence was pointed directly at your post. The rest was a general commentary on my part.
 
#48
#48
(utfantilidie @ May 1 said:
Your golly gee definition of most UT fans is missing the mark.UT fans have developed a love for the game handed down through their families for the most part.You step on a lot of UT fans past and present whenever you belittle them as you do. You need to get a grip or what I like to say, "Measure your words". :dunno:
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I don't see how that belittles anyone.
 
#50
#50
(hatvol96 @ May 1 said:
How else could, using Jam as an example, the truth be communicated? If the truth is that fans never accuse injured white players of saving themselves for the NFL, how else do you say that? If it's true that a portion of the fan base has a problem that you were "spending time" with Ace Clement, how else do you say that?
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Sometimes you cannot be the person to initiate the conflict, that is if your standing in the fan base is important to you, meaning that polarizing ideas cannot come out of your mouth. This can be done without tipping your hand by perhaps saying something like," It grieves me that my motives are questioned, I love this university and its fan base", and then leave it up to the media, and others around you to plead your case. Sometimes you cannot wear your feelings on your sleave without being villianized.
 
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