Drake Owenby

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volnpowell said:
Drake had offers from Ole Miss, Auburn, Ky, Miss. St., and Coastal Carolina.:good!:
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Good pick up for where the program is at now, but in the future we're going to have to start signing the TOP in-state talent that's out there; not a kid from Powell. Not knocking the kid because I've watched him play and he's good.. but when you're facing the likes of USCe, FLA, LSU, UGA week after week you're going to need top-flight talent. Anyways, solid pick up for Serrano and company.
 
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altidore17 said:
Good pick up for where the program is at now, but in the future we're going to have to start signing the TOP in-state talent that's out there; not a kid from Powell. Not knocking the kid because I've watched him play and he's good.. but when you're facing the likes of USCe, FLA, LSU, UGA week after week you're going to need top-flight talent. Anyways, solid pick up for Serrano and company.
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Kid's been a SP at Powell since he was a Freshman...so at least (it appears) he knows HOW to pitch-that's a great start knowing Serrano's rep with developing pitchers. A lot of HS pitchers take the mound simply because they have more velocity than other kids on the team. They're just "throwers". Throwers seldom succeed out of HS.

That's my positive spin, anyway. :yes:
 
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altidore17 said:
Good pick up for where the program is at now, but in the future we're going to have to start signing the TOP in-state talent that's out there; not a kid from Powell. Not knocking the kid because I've watched him play and he's good.. but when you're facing the likes of USCe, FLA, LSU, UGA week after week you're going to need top-flight talent. Anyways, solid pick up for Serrano and company.
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LHP that throw low 90s out of HS are top flight talent, doesn't matter what HS they went to.
 
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altidore17 said:
There's a difference between throwing low 90's consistently, and touching low 90's occasionally. A big difference.
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No, not really. It's about being able to *change* velocity with the 90's fastball in the mix. INconsistency is the key. Greg Maddux can vouch for me. For lefties, so can Spahn, Carlton, Glavine, Whitey Ford.
 
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
No, not really. It's about being able to *change* velocity with the 90's fastball in the mix. INconsistency is the key. Greg Maddux can vouch for me. For lefties, so can Spahn, Carlton, Glavine, Whitey Ford.
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What you just said has absolutely no bearing on what I said. Greg Maddox threw 86-89 consistently, is one of the best pitchers of all time, and is a hall of fame pitcher who had over 300 wins in the major leagues; who ranks in the top 10 all time in several major pitching statistics. Surely you're not comparing him to a kid from Powell who has never even made an all-state team?

What I said if you use your eyes and read is that there's a big difference in a kid who throws 91-93 consistently and a kid who throws 87-89 consistently who occasionally can touch 91. The difference is one gets drafted in the first 5 rounds of the ML draft and one goes to UT to play college baseball. Take your pick on which Owenby is.
 
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altidore17 said:
There's a difference between throwing low 90's consistently, and touching low 90's occasionally. A big difference.
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Unless he refuses to work out, he should add 3-5 MPH, which would put him in the 90s anyway. Even if he sits high 80s, as a lefty that is a good weapon.
 
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altidore17 said:
What you just said has absolutely no bearing on what I said. Greg Maddox threw 86-89 consistently, is one of the best pitchers of all time, and is a hall of fame pitcher who had over 300 wins in the major leagues; who ranks in the top 10 all time in several major pitching statistics. Surely you're not comparing him to a kid from Powell who has never even made an all-state team?

What I said if you use your eyes and read is that there's a big difference in a kid who throws 91-93 consistently and a kid who throws 87-89 consistently who occasionally can touch 91. The difference is one gets drafted in the first 5 rounds of the ML draft and one goes to UT to play college baseball. Take your pick on which Owenby is.
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Actually there's a lot more to the equation than velo. If a kid has a projectable body and throws high 80s versus a kid who doesn't have much room for projection and throws low 90s, the first kid has just a good chance to be taken high as the second one.

(With all other abilities constant)
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
Unless he refuses to work out, he should add 3-5 MPH, which would put him in the 90s anyway. Even if he sits high 80s, as a lefty that is a good weapon.
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A lot of college programs won't add 3-5 MPH to most pitchers, so I don't see him coming to UT throwing 90's. A lot of kids have the same stuff in college as they did in high school, they just learn to be better "pitchers" in college. Minor leagues is where you will see large jumps in velocity/polishing of players' mechanics and what not.

And yes I agree he will be a good weapon, but there is not need to inflate the kid's abilities or for people to start believing he's going to come in and be a stud. He will be a solid pitcher who hopefully will stay for 4 years become a very good player.
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
Actually there's a lot more to the equation than velo. If a kid has a projectable body and throws high 80s versus a kid who doesn't have much room for projection and throws low 90s, the first kid has just a good chance to be taken high as the second one.

(With all other abilities constant)
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I just don't see a kid who's 6'0 180lb (we all know listed numbers are inaccurate too) gaining too much more muscle/velo in his senior year or in college. Now if he were 6'4 180 pounds then yes, that would definitely be possible.. but I think he's in the same boat as Pfeifer in the sense that they both maxed out their velo for the most in high school. Pfeifer was 89-92 his last 2 years in high school and has the same type build as Owenby.

Again, I'm not expert but I've seen a lot of kids play and progress and I just can't see him gaining much velocity between now and 2012.
 
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altidore17 said:
A lot of college programs won't add 3-5 MPH to most pitchers, so I don't see him coming to UT throwing 90's. A lot of kids have the same stuff in college as they did in high school, they just learn to be better "pitchers" in college. Minor leagues is where you will see large jumps in velocity/polishing of players' mechanics and what not.

And yes I agree he will be a good weapon, but there is not need to inflate the kid's abilities or for people to start believing he's going to come in and be a stud. He will be a solid pitcher who hopefully will stay for 4 years become a very good player.
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I work with a collegiate baseball team and we had 4 pitchers increase their velo by at least 3 MPH between seasons. If MAC level coaches can get guys to increase velo, I have faith UT's guys can as long as the player is willing to work.

We've also had guys develop some good pitches while in school. There is a lot more development going in college than you think. The kids that have the same stuff as they do in high school are the ones who won't be playing pro ball after 4 years.
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
I work with a collegiate baseball team and we had 4 pitchers increase their velo by at least 3 MPH between seasons. If MAC level coaches can get guys to increase velo, I have faith UT's guys can as long as the player is willing to work.

We've also had guys develop some good pitches while in school. There is a lot more development going in college than you think. The kids that have the same stuff as they do in high school are the ones who won't be playing pro ball after 4 years.
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I never said there wasn't much development, I just said it was mainly from a pitching standpoint. A lot of "throwers" get turned into pitchers in college. And another point I was trying to make is you often don't see guys add velo who don't have room in their body to fill out. Most guys I know who gain velocity are tall lanky dudes, not average build guys.
 
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Height, weight, and velo simply aren't enough info for those of us in arm chairs to draw conclusions about college potential.

Michael Roth, the ace for South Carolina, was an 84 mph guy in high school with a listed height of 6'1". He never threw a whole lot harder than that in college even as he almost set the record for lowest career ERA in the CWS.

Lack of velo may have hurt Roth"s draft position (31st round), but it sure didn't keep him from being an outstanding college pitcher.

Serrano is getting paid to win college games, not develop major leaguers. If he thinks he can help Owenby become a useful member of his staff, that's good enough for me.
 
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altidore17 said:
There's a difference between throwing low 90's consistently, and touching low 90's occasionally. A big difference.
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You sure do seem to think your a know it all when it comes to baseball. Do tell us, why you aren't coaching somewhere. I'm floored you haven't been asked to coach the Yankees yet. Floored I tell you.
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Escape Goat said:
You sure do seem to think your a know it all when it comes to baseball. Do tell us, why you aren't coaching somewhere. I'm floored you haven't been asked to coach the Yankees yet. Floored I tell you.
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Never said I was an expert, but I've been around a lot of college coaches and played/coached baseball all my life.. so just giving my opinion on the subject which is what this website is all about. And besides, I would never coach the Yankees anyways.. I don't like teams that buy their talent.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Height, weight, and velo simply aren't enough info for those of us in arm chairs to draw conclusions about college potential.

Michael Roth, the ace for South Carolina, was an 84 mph guy in high school with a listed height of 6'1". He never threw a whole lot harder than that in college even as he almost set the record for lowest career ERA in the CWS.

Lack of velo may have hurt Roth"s draft position (31st round), but it sure didn't keep him from being an outstanding college pitcher.

Serrano is getting paid to win college games, not develop major leaguers. If he thinks he can help Owenby become a useful member of his staff, that's good enough for me.
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First of all, that is just a silly statement. Show me one team who's won the CWS without players who have been drafted. You need to develop talent to win ballgames, which is part of the reason for TR's downfall. And once again, I will state that I'm aware that velocity isn't everything; nor is body size, mechanics, etc. But you help prove my point that players with not a lot of room to fill out rarely gain much velocity throughout their college career.

And if Owenby turns out to be 1/4 the player Roth is I think we'd all be happy. Until then though, please don't think or act like this kid is going to come in and be Michael Roth.. because you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
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