Drake Owenby

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altidore17 said:
What you just said has absolutely no bearing on what I said. Greg Maddox threw 86-89 consistently, is one of the best pitchers of all time, and is a hall of fame pitcher who had over 300 wins in the major leagues; who ranks in the top 10 all time in several major pitching statistics. Surely you're not comparing him to a kid from Powell who has never even made an all-state team?

What I said if you use your eyes and read is that there's a big difference in a kid who throws 91-93 consistently and a kid who throws 87-89 consistently who occasionally can touch 91. The difference is one gets drafted in the first 5 rounds of the ML draft and one goes to UT to play college baseball. Take your pick on which Owenby is.
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We were talking about velocity I thought. You're right on one thing...I wasn't comparing this kid to anyone, YOU raised that straw man for your own reasons.
 
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
We were talking about velocity I thought. You're right on one thing...I wasn't comparing this kid to anyone, YOU raised that straw man for your own reasons.
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Yes, velocity in terms of the difference between consistently 92 and touching 92 which is a huge difference. Owenby sits at 86-89 consistently and can TOUCH 92 every once in awhile.

You brought up hall of fame type pitchers who did not need to throw 93-94 to be successful. I just don't see what that has to do with Owenby considering he has never made an all-state team?

Of course there are exceptions to every rule I never said you couldn't win by throwing mid 80's, but it looked like you were trying to group Owenby with the likes of Maddux and Whitey Ford which doesn't make much sense to me. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.
 
#28
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Serrano is a pitching guy who competed in the CWS. He knows what talent and ability project.

Good Luck to this kid.
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#29
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altidore17 said:
First of all, that is just a silly statement. Show me one team who's won the CWS without players who have been drafted. You need to develop talent to win ballgames, which is part of the reason for TR's downfall. And once again, I will state that I'm aware that velocity isn't everything; nor is body size, mechanics, etc. But you help prove my point that players with not a lot of room to fill out rarely gain much velocity throughout their college career.

And if Owenby turns out to be 1/4 the player Roth is I think we'd all be happy. Until then though, please don't think or act like this kid is going to come in and be Michael Roth.. because you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Altidore,
Next time, take a couple extra minutes to understand the comment and try to respond to what is actually written before you advertise your limited reading comprehension skills.

Did I say Owenby was the next Michael Roth? No.
Did I say anyone has or could win the CWS without having players drafted? No.
Did I say you don't have to develop talent? No.

I said guys who may not be pro prospects can help win college games, and Serrano is more qualified to decide if Owenby is one of them than you are.

I don't care if you disagree with me--but if you're going to quote me, at least disagree with what I actually said.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Altidore,
Next time, take a couple extra minutes to understand the comment and try to respond to what is actually written before you advertise your limited reading comprehension skills.

Did I say Owenby was the next Michael Roth? No.
Did I say anyone has or could win the CWS without having players drafted? No.
Did I say you don't have to develop talent? No.

I said guys who may not be pro prospects can help win college games, and Serrano is more qualified to decide if Owenby is one of them than you are.

I don't care if you disagree with me--but if you're going to quote me, at least disagree with what I actually said.
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You said it wasn't his job to develop talent. Who is responsible if not the head coach? Do tell.
 
#31
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altidore17 said:
You said it wasn't his job to develop talent. Who is responsible if not the head coach? Do tell.
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You're still not getting it.

In my first post I said, "If he thinks he can help Owenby become a useful member of his staff, that's good enough for me."

That means he'll develop him.

I was making the distinction between developing a player to help him win college games and developing him to go pro. Sometimes they overlap, and recruits certainly want a coach who can do the latter, but they are two different things.
 
#32
#32
If Todd Helton can develop into an outstanding college pitcher, I've got no reason to say this kid can't.
 
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altidore17 said:
Yes, velocity in terms of the difference between consistently 92 and touching 92 which is a huge difference. Owenby sits at 86-89 consistently and can TOUCH 92 every once in awhile.

You brought up hall of fame type pitchers who did not need to throw 93-94 to be successful. I just don't see what that has to do with Owenby considering he has never made an all-state team?

Of course there are exceptions to every rule I never said you couldn't win by throwing mid 80's, but it looked like you were trying to group Owenby with the likes of Maddux and Whitey Ford which doesn't make much sense to me. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.
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I was only trying to give examples of successful pitchers whose style was based on variance of velocity and didn't throw 90's. You didn't misunderstand that....you just changed it to something else entirely. I don't see any point in discussing anything if you just change to...."so, you're saying"...that gets old.

I have no idea who to compare this kid to. I have never seen him play.
 
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
I was only trying to give examples of successful pitchers whose style was based on variance of velocity and didn't throw 90's. You didn't misunderstand that....you just changed it to something else entirely. I don't see any point in discussing anything if you just change to...."so, you're saying"...that gets old.

I have no idea who to compare this kid to. I have never seen him play.
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I guess I just misunderstood what you were trying to do by using all of those HoF pitchers.. my bad.
 
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Does anyone know if UT is after Stephen Gant of Decauter (sp?) County in West Tennessee? He was a righty sitting at 89-93 against us this past year as a Junior. Vandy's pitching coach was at his game and we were told he already had an offer waiting from them. Sorry I cant start a seperate thread on this.
 
#39
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31VFL said:
Does anyone know if UT is after Stephen Gant of Decauter (sp?) County in West Tennessee? He was a righty sitting at 89-93 against us this past year as a Junior. Vandy's pitching coach was at his game and we were told he already had an offer waiting from them. Sorry I cant start a seperate thread on this.
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Would be a big pick-up if we could get him to change his mind.
 
#41
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vol66 said:
No worries. I've had a hard time finding info myself.



Yeah, no doubt. Pretty late in the game to sway one from Corbin.
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He was absolutely nasty against us. He gave up one hit and struck out 17. He hit corners with no problem and could really locate. I do really like this pick up, (Owenby), though.
 
#42
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31VFL said:
He was absolutely nasty against us. He gave up one hit and struck out 17. He hit corners with no problem and could really locate. I do really like this pick up, (Owenby), though.
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He also did very well at the Junior Sunbelt this year, the kid really has some good stuff. Really sucks that as is stands we've struck out on 3 of the best pitchers to come out of the state since Pomeranz.. Norris, Pfeifer, and Gant. I can only imagine what kind of staff we'd have 2-3 years down the road if we had landed them.
 
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altidore17 said:
He also did very well at the Junior Sunbelt this year, the kid really has some good stuff. Really sucks that as is stands we've struck out on 3 of the best pitchers to come out of the state since Pomeranz.. Norris, Pfeifer, and Gant. I can only imagine what kind of staff we'd have 2-3 years down the road if we had landed them.
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I feel like that list is lacking. Gray was as big a name as those guys out of high school.

Also I feel like we have a chance at Gant if both Comer and Beede decide to go to school. He'll have a rough go at it with Ziomek, Comer and Beede in front of him, along with Pecarero when he recovers from Tommy John for the 2013 season. Needless to say, scary pitching staff building is going on in Nashville. I hope we can do some serious recruiting and compete. We need these local arms to want to come to Knoxville.
 
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BigOrange51 said:
I feel like that list is lacking. Gray was as big a name as those guys out of high school.

Also I feel like we have a chance at Gant if both Comer and Beede decide to go to school. He'll have a rough go at it with Ziomek, Comer and Beede in front of him, along with Pecarero when he recovers from Tommy John for the 2013 season. Needless to say, scary pitching staff building is going on in Nashville. I hope we can do some serious recruiting and compete. We need these local arms to want to come to Knoxville.
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Forgot about Sonny but that just adds to the misses. I'm also not sure how that list is "lacking" when you've got Clemson, Vandy, Vandy represented.
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#45
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You're not likely to see Gant on the back of another UT jersey. Raleigh FUBAR'd that with Clayton.
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#46
#46
altidore17 said:
Forgot about Sonny but that just adds to the misses. I'm also not sure how that list is "lacking" when you've got Clemson, Vandy, Vandy represented.
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I started to type all the guys during and before Pomeranz. I didn't mean to imply that wasn't an impressive list.
 
#47
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Hobock said:
You're not likely to see Gant on the back of another UT jersey. Raleigh FUBAR'd that with Clayton.
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Now we are talking about a list. Yikes.

Gomes, Lockwood, Lima, Wright, Moore, Everett, Horne, Hornsby, Forbis, Gant, Adkins, Hochevar, King, Stubbs, Locante, Walden, Theodore, Clifft, Berger, Dean?, Peper?

I think thats all of 'em. Thats some serious FUBAR'ing.
 
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BigOrange51 said:
Now we are talking about a list. Yikes.

Gomes, Lockwood, Lima, Wright, Moore, Everett, Horne, Hornsby, Forbis, Gant, Adkins, Hochevar, King, Stubbs, Locante, Walden, Theodore, Clifft, Berger, Dean?, Peper?

I think thats all of 'em. Thats some serious FUBAR'ing.
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Maybe Griffin, Horne and Siminic should be on there as well.
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fryeguy93 said:
Poor Andy Seminic. CTR's chosen scapegoat and the end of season 1.
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You can group Lockwood in with him. He ran off two of our best hitters after year one so he could get his "gorilla ball" players in.. good call TR. I know it's beating a dead horse, but the things he did were so ridiculous its hard not to.
 
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