Duke basketball player likes his jewelry!

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bamacheats said:
Still waiting on those violations. You bring the knowledge. Kinda surprised its taking this long.
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It wouldn't take long at all if you worked on your reading comprehension. But I'll give you a few more minutes to figure it out.
 
#53
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bamacheats said:
Unethical? Absolutely! NCAA rule breaker? Nope.
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If it doesn't expressly say in the NCAA rulebook that the university's administration cannot cover up the criminal actions of the football staff in the perceived best interests of the football program, then it should.

The NCAA used some discretion here.

You have not argued against any of the other prongs of LOIC; probably because every other prong is so easily met here. They used some discretion to read in an NCAA violation.
 
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Forget the actual test for LOIC for a moment. Just take a step back and consider what LOIC stands for.

They lacked it.
 
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ukvols said:
If it doesn't expressly say in the NCAA rulebook that the university's administration cannot cover up the criminal actions of the football staff in the perceived best interests of the football program, then it should.

The NCAA used some discretion here.

You have not argued against any of the other prongs of LOIC; probably because every other prong is so easily met here. They used some discretion to read in an NCAA violation.
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Not a single word in all of the NCAA rule book was violated. Our opinion doesn't count. Common sense doesn't count. It's the NCAA.
 
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bamacheats said:
Not a single word in all of the NCAA rule book was violated. Our opinion doesn't count. Common sense doesn't count. It's the NCAA.
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In a case like this, I am glad that someone in charge decided that common sense counted.
 
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bamacheats said:
Wrong. LOIC has to be in regard to an athletic competitive advantage.
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I don't think anything in the NCAA Manual requires a competitive advantage for LOIC. If you know the rule that requires it, please post it.

bamacheats said:
You didn't read the story. Awesome!
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The lawsuit was filed after Lance Thomas left Duke IIRC. The investigation was stymied by the confidentiality agreement. The NCAA has a tough time proving anything without 3rd party lawsuits or evidence.

bamacheats said:
Unethical? Absolutely! NCAA rule breaker? Nope.
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I agree. Although the NCAA does have a principle of Ethical Conduct, and under 4.1.2. (e) the executive committee can "Act on behalf of the Association by adopting and implementing policies to resolve core issues and other Association-wide matters."

If Penn State didn't agree to the sanctions, the NCAA would've had a tougher time trying to penalize them. IMO they should've passed new rules about criminal activity (if they didn't already), and then applied those in the future, not retroactively to Penn State.
 
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bamacheats said:
The response I was expecting. Still nothing.
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Here's a hint:

Ray also doesnÂ’t buy the idea that Penn State did not gain a competitive advantage in football during the years in which its leaders failed to act on accusations of abuse by Jerry Sandusky, the coach convicted last month on 45 counts of molesting children.

“Penn State did a hell of a lot of recruiting between 1998 and 2012 of very top football athletes, played in bowl games, had great records during some of those years,” he said. “I don’t know if a lot of that would have been possible if the truth had come out over the last 14 years.”
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bamacheats said:
PennST committed ZERO NCAA violations. NCAA makes up rules as they go along and see fit.

If Stokes drops a hundred grand on a diamond, he'd be ineligible, games played in forfeited, and Cuonzo with a show cause.

Aman is just wearing his dookey shades. Clouding common sense.
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I agree with you I was just playing devils advocate
 
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I don't have a problem with the NCAA levying sanctions, because of the reasons I have given here, but they should have gone into more detail about exactly how they were finding LOIC, as it's explained in their rules. For example, if they were using the sections discussed by TNOrange, they could have helped us all by saying so.
 
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ukvols said:
I don't have a problem with the NCAA levying sanctions, because of the reasons I have given here, but they should have gone into more detail about exactly how they were finding LOIC, as it's explained in their rules. For example, if they were using the sections discussed by TNOrange, they could have helped us all by saying so.
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I missed this earlier so some of what I posted may be wrong, but here's a list of NCAA constitutional references cited by the Executive Committee (which has representatives from 22 different schools):

Penn State - NCAA.org

here's the motion explaining their actions:

http://ncaa.s3.amazonaws.com/files/20120723/BOARD_EC%20MOTION.pdf
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
I don't think anything in the NCAA Manual requires a competitive advantage for LOIC. If you know the rule that requires it, please post it.
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The reason the NCAA exists is to prevent an unfair competitive advantage. Why don't you post something contrary.



The lawsuit was filed after Lance Thomas left Duke IIRC. The investigation was stymied by the confidentiality agreement. The NCAA has a tough time proving anything without 3rd party lawsuits or evidence.
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Timing of lawsuit is immaterial. NCAA just needs info that an amateur athlete came up with 100K while in school.


I agree. Although the NCAA does have a principle of Ethical Conduct, and under 4.1.2. (e) the executive committee can "Act on behalf of the Association by adopting and implementing policies to resolve core issues and other Association-wide matters."
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That fits this case,perfectly
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
I missed this earlier so some of what I posted may be wrong, but here's a list of NCAA constitutional references cited by the Executive Committee (which has representatives from 22 different schools):

Penn State - NCAA.org

here's the motion explaining their actions:

http://ncaa.s3.amazonaws.com/files/20120723/BOARD_EC%20MOTION.pdf
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Yep. That was going to be my next post, but I was having too much fun with this.

If Duke broke any of those rules, I'm sure bamacheats will let us know.
 
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VKAman said:
Yep. That was going to be my next post, but I was having too much fun with this.

If Duke broke any of those rules, I'm sure bamacheats will let us know.
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Duke had a current player spend $100K. Explain that.
 
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bamacheats said:
The reason the NCAA exists is to prevent an unfair competitive advantage. Why don't you post something contrary.
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Somethings contrary:

First, the chair of the Executive Committee quoted above, who explains why they did gain a competitive advantage.

Second, the NCAA report itself, which says:
In particular, the egregiousness of the predicate conduct is unprecedented, amounting to a failure of institutional and individual integrity far exceeding a lack of institutional control or individual unethical conduct.
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Third, Mark Emmert, who basically said the same thing.

Timing of lawsuit is immaterial. NCAA just needs info that an amateur athlete came up with 100K while in school.
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Which they don't have.
 
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VKAman said:
Somethings contrary:

First, the chair of the Executive Committee quoted above, who explains why they did gain a competitive advantage.

Second, the NCAA report itself, which says:


Third, Mark Emmert, who basically said the same thing.



Which they don't have.
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Mark Emmert couldn't quote exact rules that PennSt broke. It was a play to the media and national outrage.

Yes he does have the info.
 
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bamacheats said:
Mark Emmert couldn't quote exact rules that PennSt broke. It was a play to the media and national outrage.

Yes he does have the info.
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He specifically mentioned institutional control at the time, and now there's a page full of broken rules for your viewing pleasure.

No, he doesn't. Maybe his relatives gave him 30K (it wasn't 100K) as a high school graduation present. They know literally nothing about when or how he got that money and you're saying they should assume guilt regardless.
 
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VKAman said:
He specifically mentioned institutional control at the time, and now there's a page full of broken rules for your viewing pleasure.
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Obviously another thing you comment on without reading.

No, he doesn't. Maybe his relatives gave him 30K (it wasn't 100K) as a high school graduation present. They know literally nothing about when or how he got that money and you're saying they should assume guilt regardless.
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So we know, but the NCAA doesn't? You're really reaching now.
 
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