Duke loses again.

#27
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allvol_12 said:
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I am quite sure that you know how to use Google. There are plenty of mock drafts that have Kelly going in the late second round. There is a conversation with Chad Ford that had Kelly going mid-second round prior to his injury.

Asserting that Kelly is not good, which is what you explicitly stated, suggests you are either ignorant when it comes to basketball or that you are just so far up Roy William's ass that you cannot see anything from Duke as good.

Will Kelly do well in the NBA? I do not think so. He will probably be a journeyman. But, he will be on an NBA roster at some point in the future. I would say that is pretty good and that it puts him above most college basketball players.

Further, I would say that any college basketball team that loses a potential NBA pick midway through the season is going to be greatly impacted. When good teams only run about seven deep these days, losing any starter hurts; losing a starter that will play at the next level is almost irreplaceable.

If KU lost Whithey, McLemore, or Johnson at this point, I would expect them to limp to the finish line. They could still come out and beat some good teams, but they would not be able to survive any type of an off-night. The same thing is happening with Duke. If Duke is on, this Duke team can still play with anyone in the country; but, the moment that contested shots on not falling, this Duke team is average at best, because they have lost someone whose presence on the court created uncontested opportunities for everyone else.

UNC lost Marshall last year and they were blown out by a KU team that, talent-wise, had no business being on the floor with UNC. Am I going to say that UNC was not a great team with Marshall? No. That is absurd. Marshall was able to create opportunities for everyone else on the floor. When he was out, UNC was forced to take more contested shots.
 
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Marshall was the best pure PG in America, and we didn't have a back-up. This also happens in the middle of the Ncaa tourney. Dude get out of here trying to equate the two. The pg makes our system go.

Is Kelly the best at his position in the Country? No. He is the third best player on duke
 
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According to that CBS what has to happen today (Yesterday) for Tennessee to make the tournament, a Duke loss was listed. Nice.
 
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allvol_12 said:
Marshall was the best pure PG in America, and we didn't have a back-up.
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Kelly's backups are a true freshman and Josh Hairston.

This also happens in the middle of the Ncaa tourney. Dude get out of here trying to equate the two. The pg makes our system go.
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Clearing the lane makes Duke's system go.

Is Kelly the best at his position in the Country? No. He is the third best player on duke
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Marshall was the "third best player on UNC."
 
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Marshall was the most important player, and the one they couldn't lose.

What's the most important position in K's system?

Also Marshalls backup was a walkon.
 
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VKAman said:
Marshall was the "third best player on UNC."
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Could even make an argument that he was the fourth best player on UNC:

Barnes
Henson
Zeller
Marshall

Of course, such arguments are irrelevant to the discussion, but, allvol does not understand basketball enough to understand what is relevant.

Fact is, that with three first-round draft picks on the floor, UNC was blasted by KU, in large part because Marshall opened the offense up for UNC.
 
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allvol_12 said:
Marshall was the most important player, and the one they couldn't lose.

What's the most important position in K's system?
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Judging from which of his teams have won national titles, I would say that it is a team with a 6'8" and above player who can stretch the floor and allow others to penetrate and dish to the low-post.

Laettner
Dunleavy
Singler

Coach K stretches the floor, bringing a defensive big man out to the perimeter, and forces teams to either collapse and defend the post and the drive, or he has his teams light people up.
 
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therealUT said:
Could even make an argument that he was the fourth best player on UNC:

Barnes
Henson
Zeller
Marshall

Of course, such arguments are irrelevant to the discussion, but, allvol does not understand basketball enough to understand what is relevant.

Fact is, that with three first-round draft picks on the floor, UNC was blasted by KU, in large part because Marshall opened the offense up for UNC.
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Felton and Lawson made the uptempo offense go, and were the most important players on the Championship teams. If you don't understand that then we should just stop arguing. PG makes Roy's teams go
 
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VKAman said:
Kelly's backups are a true freshman and Josh Hairston.



Clearing the lane makes Duke's system go.



Marshall was the "third best player on UNC."
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This, and

therealUT said:
Could even make an argument that he was the fourth best player on UNC:

Barnes
Henson
Zeller
Marshall

Of course, such arguments are irrelevant to the discussion, but, allvol does not understand basketball enough to understand what is relevant.

Fact is, that with three first-round draft picks on the floor, UNC was blasted by KU, in large part because Marshall opened the offense up for UNC.
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This. Losing Kelly was a huge blow for the way Duke runs it's offense and his ability to block shots has been missing also.

Funny how the UNC fan talking about Duke making excuses talks up Kendall Marshall's injury. I'm just pissed we didn't get to see the best pure pg in the country get absolutely abused by Kyrie a couple of years ago.
 
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#41
Kyrie, we hardly knew ya.

Big difference losing someone in the second weekend the tourney.

Oh yeah, Kyrie did comeback btw
 
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#42
#42
Scheyer was the most important player on that title team
 
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005 said:
Scheyer was the most important player on that title team
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As much as I agree with you, you cannot discount Zoubeks importance on that team. I never thought I would say that, but no Zoubs no title.
 
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005 said:
Agree. It wasn't singler was the point.
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I must disagree. Singler's 2010 tournament performance was outstanding. He was grabbing between 8 boards a game and scoring close to twenty each game. Other teams were forced to put bigger lineups on the floor against Duke and Singler had his way with bigger forwards out on the perimeter. When they went small, he just ripped rebounds away.

Sheyer kept teams honest (he put up more points than Singler), as they could not help on Singler and when they did, Sheyer had an open look from beyond the arc or he simply ducked inside his man for a mid-range jumper. Thomas and Zoubek made teams alter their lineups to keep a third big in the game.

That team was one of the best built teams for Coach K's system (easily the best, in my opinion, since Hurley, Hill, Hill, and Laettner).
 
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#50
Fair points. Didn't realize singler boarded so well honestly. Basically they, like any champion, don't win without a few guys and some luck.
 
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