Election Influence and Fraud - What we know, what we don't know

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OHvol40 said:
Please provide examples as to why every single vote in these states should be thrown out and how every state violated its own rules.
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Only state legislature is allowed to make changes. The changes that were made were not made by the state legislature. Therefore, the changes were illegal.
 
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theFallGuy said:
you are being obtuse, you know exactly what I meant
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You said it’s tit for tat... so prove it. I’m tired of this whole “we’re just doing the same thing the Dems have done” narrative. No you aren’t, and every time that fact is pointed out Trumpers just find new ways to ignore that fact.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I asked you to prove what you’re claiming, I’m not surprised you can’t... because it’s a joke.
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Lol, now you seem to be talking about two different things. Fraud in this election will never be disproved because one side is hell bent on hiding it. What this case talks about is facts. The mail in ballot change talked about those that were permanently unable to go vote could request a mail in ballot. Getting a mail in ballot sent because of Covid does not meet that criteria. You've yet to provide examples of why other states should be allowed to change election rules without the legislatures.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Lol, now you seem to be talking about two different things. Fraud in this election will never be disproved because one side is hell bent on hiding it. What this case talks about is facts. The mail in ballot change talked about those that were permanently unable to go vote could request a mail in ballot. Getting a mail in ballot sent because of Covid does not meet that criteria. You've yet to provide examples of why other states should be allowed to change election rules without the legislatures.
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Provide proof that the states did something illegal or unconstitutional. I’m not making any claims other than this election was business as usual and Trump got his a** handed to him. If you think otherwise, prove it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Provide proof that the states did something illegal or unconstitutional. I’m not making any claims other than this election was business as usual and Trump got his a** handed to him. If you think otherwise, prove it.
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Once again. Changes were made by others then the state legislatures. Even in Pennsylvania. All are unconstitutional.
 
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tnmarktx said:
No Mike Kelly PA suit has not been thrown out by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Before you make a false claim that the lawsuit has been dismissed.
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You're technically correct, but as a practical matter completely wrong.

Here's a football analogy of what happened: 4th quarter, 0:03 left on the clock, Biden is beating Trump 28-20, and Team Trump is on its own 45 and throws a hail mary into the end zone. Team Biden doesn't even bother defending the pass. The football hits the Team Trump wide receiver in his facemask and bounces harmlessly down to the field. Incomplete pass. The clock hits 0:00. GAME OVER. Team Trump coach throws a challenge flag, but the refs DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE FLAG BECAUSE NO FOUL OCCURRED, AS NOBODY EVEN DEFENDED THE RECEIVER.

Safe Harbor was on Tuesday. SCOTUS rejected Kelly's injunction. He's welcome to try to hoist the flag and try to get SCOTUS to salute, but THE GAME IS ALREADY OVER. The issue is now moot.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Prove it
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Pennsylvania did not follow mail in ballot requirements as per law. Neither did Georgia, SOS consent decree. No chain of custody with ballot boxes in Wisconsin. Not allowing poll watchers in multiple states. All of these are laws broken in these states.
 
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MontyPython said:
You're technically correct, but as a practical matter completely wrong.

Here's a football analogy of what happened: 4th quarter, 0:03 left on the clock, Biden is beating Trump 28-20, and Team Trump is on its own 45 and throws a hail mary into the end zone. Team Biden doesn't even bother defending the pass. The football hits the Team Trump wide receiver in his facemask and bounces harmlessly down to the field. Incomplete pass. Team Trump coach throws a challenge flag and the refs DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE FLAG.

The clock hits 0:00. GAME OVER.

Safe Harbor was on Tuesday. SCOTUS rejected Kelly's injunction. He's welcome to try to hoist the flag and get SCOTUS to salute, but THE GAME IS ALREADY OVER.
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Safe Harbor means dick. Nice try though. Regardless of what happens with the election the damage for the left has already been done. Your guy's nemesis Donald Trump has done irreparable damage to the democratic party.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Safe Harbor means dick. Nice try though.
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You got a serious case of stupid, son.

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"A deadline set Tuesday under federal law essentially locks in President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, even though President Donald Trump is still falsely claiming he won reelection.

Other than Wisconsin, every state appears to have met the safe harbor deadline, which means Congress has to accept the electoral votes that will be cast next week and sent to the Capitol for counting on Jan. 6. Those votes will elect Biden as the country’s next president.

It’s called a safe harbor provision because it’s a kind of insurance policy by which a state can insulate its electoral votes against challenges in Congress by finishing up certification of the results and any state court legal challenges by the deadline, which this year is Tuesday.

“What federal law requires is that if a state has completed its post-election certification by Dec. 8, Congress is required to accept those results,” said Rebecca Green, an election law professor at the William & Mary law school in Williamsburg, Virginia."
 
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tnmarktx said:
Pennsylvania did not follow mail in ballot requirements as per law. Neither did Georgia, SOS consent decree. No chain of custody with ballot boxes in Wisconsin. Not allowing poll watchers in multiple states. All of these are laws broken in these states.
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No disrespect, but I don’t take your word to mean anything. PROOVE WHAT YOU CLAIM IS ABSOLUTELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
 
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MontyPython said:
You got a serious case of stupid, son.

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"A deadline set Tuesday under federal law essentially locks in President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, even though President Donald Trump is still falsely claiming he won reelection.

Other than Wisconsin, every state appears to have met the safe harbor deadline, which means Congress has to accept the electoral votes that will be cast next week and sent to the Capitol for counting on Jan. 6. Those votes will elect Biden as the country’s next president.

It’s called a safe harbor provision because it’s a kind of insurance policy by which a state can insulate its electoral votes against challenges in Congress by finishing up certification of the results and any state court legal challenges by the deadline, which this year is Tuesday.

“What federal law requires is that if a state has completed its post-election certification by Dec. 8, Congress is required to accept those results,” said Rebecca Green, an election law professor at the William & Mary law school in Williamsburg, Virginia."
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This year, 8 December is the so-called “safe harbor” deadline, which federal law says must fall six days before electors meet across the country to cast their votes for president. The statute says that as long as states use existing state law to resolve disputes about electors by the deadline, the votes cast by those electors will be “conclusive”. It is meant to act as a safeguard so that Congress, which will count the electoral votes on 6 January, can’t second-guess or overturn the election results.

They are not using state law.
 
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What I find interesting with you guy's issue about this election is this. It's a fact that those running the elections in this state are hell bent against letting forensic investigations be performed and letting evidentiary hearings be held. If it's so obvious that nothing happened why do you seem so afraid?
 
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tnmarktx said:
This year, 8 December is the so-called “safe harbor” deadline, which federal law says must fall six days before electors meet across the country to cast their votes for president. The statute says that as long as states use existing state law to resolve disputes about electors by the deadline, the votes cast by those electors will be “conclusive”. It is meant to act as a safeguard so that Congress, which will count the electoral votes on 6 January, can’t second-guess or overturn the election results.

They are not using state law.
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