Election Process Changes

[LouderVol]

Idea for this thread is not to discuss the past. But how we should handle elections in the future. I think most people can agree 2020 was a cluster in the voting process. This thread is to discuss changes to that should be implemented before the next one.

1. Should we have a single, federal, standard on the voting process? Meaning every states ballot system, including mail in or absentee, work exactly the same? Use the same machines, etc. Count votes at the same time, no more Nevada taking an ill timed nap.

I think I there should be. There is no reason for the process to be jacked up. This is a rare case of me expanding federal scope.

2. All election process changes have to be voted on 1 year in advance of the vote, and implemented at least 3 months before early voting happens. This would put in place a rule that says congress has to vote on these items before they can break. This is undef the assumption of a 1 federal vote process concept.

2020 was a mess because we were discussing changes only like 4 months before the election, and I think some early voting had already begun. I think that uncertainty is more of a vote suppression than ID is, but that's an opinion.

3. Voter registrees get checked once every two years, offset from house elections. Government has to inform anyone they think is dead or moved by letter/email, and they have 3 months to respond.

I think this process ends up helping the vote counting because the information has already been confirmed for mail in votes, and there is an established system. It also gives enough time for people to correct while not effecting the election year. This would go a long way to restoring faith in the system.

None of this is to set the specifics I would like to see within any of those changes, systems, or verifications. Just that generally those are needed. What does the class think? And try to keep discussion to the voting process not the rest (EC vs popular etc)

 

[Grand Vol]

1. Ban Democrats from coming anywhere near poll locations or voting.

2. With proper application of step 1, voter fraud will subside.

 

[LouderVol]

1. Ban Democrats from coming anywhere near poll locations or voting.

2. With proper application of step 1, voter fraud will subside.

I think there was one example of a person campaigning outside a poll location. Were there more?

And I think that is already illegal.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Louder I don’t see how we could mandate a common election process under the present constitution as it leaves the specifics to each state. So it would take the states all agreeing on a common process or a constitutional amendment which I am not opposed to.

But it’s absolutely ridiculous in this day abd age we are nearly a full week from Election Day without a declared winner. No, there isn’t a declared winner by the certified process yet people don’t start that ****.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I think there was one example of a person campaigning outside a poll location. Were there more?

And I think that is already illegal.

In TX you can do it you just have to be so many feet away from the polling entrance. I think this is a common process for each state but the distance likely varies.

 

[McDad]

I offered last week approximating tax filing and voting. IRS software already scans the physical and digital documents for errors, omissions, anomalies, etc. People could vote on the form they are using to file taxes. Those who don't have to file taxes could file a vote only.
Others could vote via the traditional methods already established.

 

[LouderVol]

In TX you can do it you just have to be so many feet away from the polling entrance. I think this is a common process for each state but the distance likely varies.

Yeah that's what I thought. But the picture I saw was a lady with a bullhorn right at the doors.

 

[LouderVol]

Louder I don’t see how we could mandate a common election process under the present constitution as it leaves the specifics to each state. So it would take the states all agreeing on a common process or a constitutional amendment which I am not opposed to.

But it’s absolutely ridiculous in this day abd age we are nearly a full week from Election Day without a declared winner. No, there isn’t a declared winner by the certified process yet people don’t start that ****.

Do we need to split the federal vs state votes then? I am fine with Bama using fingers, toes, and cousin wifes, to count their local votes, but at the federal level I dont see an issue with there being a declared process. The EC itself is already a federal mandate, which states can implement separately.

Idk, I guess the devil is in the details, which I was trying to avoid.

 

[0nelilreb]

It will work itself out eventually we the masses decide that having a barcode ( chip) is the best and easiest way to conduct all business. Look around you , everything but the ones voting has one .. just a matter of time . The irony will be that we will go from crying about having to have an ID to vote is racist , to .. step right up and let me scan you in .

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I think there was one example of a person campaigning outside a poll location. Were there more?

And I think that is already illegal.

Our local election polluting place was full of political signs, within 50 foot of voting. Kinda illegal.

 

[Grand Vol]

I think there was one example of a person campaigning outside a poll location. Were there more?

And I think that is already illegal.

I was actually meaning the poll workers and vote counters.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Do we need to split the federal vs state votes then? I am fine with Bama using fingers, toes, and cousin wifes, to count their local votes, but at the federal level I dont see an issue with there being a declared process. The EC itself is already a federal mandate, which states can implement separately.

Idk, I guess the devil is in the details, which I was trying to avoid.

There is only one federal ticket to vote on. POTUS/VPOTUS. Even Congressional seats are a state only vote.

I’d say prefer that if we attempt a common voting method for one office we push it for all. You need to assume the government will screw this up because the will. So let’s only have one thing that we force them to fix

 

[RockyTop85]

Step 1: Don’t elect or nominate candidates who claim fraud every time they lose at anything.

There is no step 2.

 

[MG1968]

Step 1: Don’t elect or nominate candidates who claim fraud every time they lose at anything.

There is no step 2.

Stacey Abrams comes to mind.

 

[RockyTop85]

Stacey Abrams comes to mind.

100%. She was perhaps the most graceless loser in American politics until 2020

 

[TheDeeble]

Is there any reason some states don't do early voting? And is there a good reason for that?

Here in Shelby County I've never had to wait more than 10-15 minutes. It's usually opened 2-3 weeks before election day. Talking to my co-workers who live in Mississippi, they can't early vote and have to go election day. I've never known why but also never asked why Mississippi doesn't. Shelby County early voting just seems to make it really easy. Several locations and plenty of time to make it convenient.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Idea for this thread is not to discuss the past. But how we should handle elections in the future. I think most people can agree 2020 was a cluster in the voting process. This thread is to discuss changes to that should be implemented before the next one.

1. Should we have a single, federal, standard on the voting process? Meaning every states ballot system, including mail in or absentee, work exactly the same? Use the same machines, etc. Count votes at the same time, no more Nevada taking an ill timed nap.

I think I there should be. There is no reason for the process to be jacked up. This is a rare case of me expanding federal scope.

2. All election process changes have to be voted on 1 year in advance of the vote, and implemented at least 3 months before early voting happens. This would put in place a rule that says congress has to vote on these items before they can break. This is undef the assumption of a 1 federal vote process concept.

2020 was a mess because we were discussing changes only like 4 months before the election, and I think some early voting had already begun. I think that uncertainty is more of a vote suppression than ID is, but that's an opinion.

3. Voter registrees get checked once every two years, offset from house elections. Government has to inform anyone they think is dead or moved by letter/email, and they have 3 months to respond.

I think this process ends up helping the vote counting because the information has already been confirmed for mail in votes, and there is an established system. It also gives enough time for people to correct while not effecting the election year. This would go a long way to restoring faith in the system.

None of this is to set the specifics I would like to see within any of those changes, systems, or verifications. Just that generally those are needed. What does the class think? And try to keep discussion to the voting process not the rest (EC vs popular etc)

1. nationwide voter ID in person, strict absentee checking with those not in person
2. Constant purge of voter registrations (dead, felons, illegals) found not to be current
3. Requiring a Social Security number be linked to a voter in a database, reducing the chance of fraud further
4. A nationwide on-line database that anyone can view if their vote was counted or not
5. Hired government workers VS "volunteers" working the polls/counting stations

 

[Rickyvol77]

100%. She was perhaps the most graceless loser in American politics until 2020

Nixon was a pretty gracious loser in 1960 considering the cheating that went on in Texas/Illinois that if investigated would've definitely named him a winner over JFK

 

[hog88]

1. nationwide voter ID in person, strict absentee checking with those not in person
2. Constant purge of voter registrations (dead, felons, illegals) found not to be current
3. Requiring a Social Security number be linked to a voter in a database, reducing the chance of fraud further
4. A nationwide on-line database that anyone can view if their vote was counted or not
5. Hired government workers VS "volunteers" working the polls/counting stations

1. No to the federal ID. Ok with eliminating absentee voting for anyone not in .gov service away from home.
2. Absolutely, voter rolls should be purged yearly.
3. Isn't that the case currently?
4. No, no nationwide anything!
5. Ehh, I don't see why that would matter.

 

[Rickyvol77]

1. I didnt mean an actual NATIONAL ID, i meant every state have Voter ID in person
2. Yes
3. No at all, several states allow for people to vote using "temporary driver's licenses" and other things. There is no audit of this in terms of voter registration
4. Well every state should have one, how about that
5. It matters, these poll workers and counting vote people are hugely biased and will do what it takes to win for "their side"

 

[happy-go_vol]

Nixon was a pretty gracious loser in 1960 considering the cheating that went on in Texas/Illinois that if investigated would've definitely named him a winner over JFK

This needs to go to the courts, it needs to shown that fraud occurred. If anything it makes it known how corrupt the new marxist is.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Bring back duals!

 

[hog88]

Bring back duals!

It's duel but I support that idea 100%.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

It's duel but I support that idea 100%.

Damn it I can’t spell. But yeah. Let’s bring it back

 

[hog88]

Damn it I can’t spell. But yeah. Let’s bring it back

I fully believe that we'd be a much more polite country if people knew there is a possibility of getting their arse beat.