Election Process Changes

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Rickyvol77 said:
1. nationwide voter ID in person, strict absentee checking with those not in person
2. Constant purge of voter registrations (dead, felons, illegals) found not to be current
3. Requiring a Social Security number be linked to a voter in a database, reducing the chance of fraud further
4. A nationwide on-line database that anyone can view if their vote was counted or not
5. Hired government workers VS "volunteers" working the polls/counting stations
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The issue for me with databases is voter intimidation. If they are actively tracking votes, it's not difficult to tie a change in number with a check mark next to a name.
I think I there are far too many locations to have everyone employed, but I could see there being some type of professional that is in charge of the volunteers. Question to ND40s point, is that a state employee or fed?
I think whatever absentee process is in place in a state/federal should be used for all "mail in votes". Because to me that is similar to going to vote. You have to make an effort, and you only get the ballot upon request.
Constant voter purge doesnt give a chance to refute, and during an election season that's ripe for issue.
Again the SS database and voting thing sounds like a good way to lose ones identity.
 
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Okay, real options here.

1: National standard for voting consisting of:
1A: Photo ID matches voter
1B: Signature cards on file that are matched with each and every absentee or mail vote received
1C: All votes will be received by, not postmarked by, election day
1D: Ballots counts are started when polls open and must conclude no later than 12 hours after polls close
1E: Balots are only sent upon request to registered voters
1F: No same day registrations
2: Equal representation of poll watchers including any party on the ballot for POTUS
3: Ballot counting will be the role of the US Armed Forces Active Duty component. They are typically the most non-partisan government agency with generally the highest amount of public trust and approval
3A: Armed Forces will secure ballots and counting locations with the aforementioned voting monitors allowed access, but no interference
3B: All vote tallies will be transmitted to the State Capital where a complete tabulation will be done, certified and hand carried to the Secretary of State and announced in a joint press conference.
3C: No bags, backpacks, boxes or containers of any kind are allowed in a count facility
4: All votes will have a paper backup archived for a minimum of 20 years at a secured facility of the DoD

We live in a digital age where results should almost be instantaneous. We should know no later than the following morning who our new (or incumbent) President is.

Local and state election officials are too open to fraud, bribery and interference. Take it out of their hands and give it to a neutral party the public trusts.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, real options here.

1: National standard for voting consisting of:
1A: Photo ID matches voter
1B: Signature cards on file that are matched with each and every absentee or mail vote received
1C: All votes will be received by, not postmarked by, election day
1D: Ballots counts are started when polls open and must conclude no later than 12 hours after polls close
1E: Balots are only sent upon request to registered voters
1F: No same day registrations
2: Equal representation of poll watchers including any party on the ballot for POTUS
3: Ballot counting will be the role of the US Armed Forces Active Duty component. They are typically the most non-partisan government agency with generally the highest amount of public trust and approval
3A: Armed Forces will secure ballots and counting locations with the aforementioned voting monitors allowed access, but no interference
3B: All vote tallies will be transmitted to the State Capital where a complete tabulation will be done, certified and hand carried to the Secretary of State and announced in a joint press conference.
3C: No bags, backpacks, boxes or containers of any kind are allowed in a count facility
4: All votes will have a paper backup archived for a minimum of 20 years at a secured facility of the DoD

We live in a digital age where results should almost be instantaneous. We should know no later than the following morning who our new (or incumbent) President is.

Local and state election officials are too open to fraud, bribery and interference. Take it out of their hands and give it to a neutral party the public trusts.
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1A. Yes
1B. Yes
1c Yes
1D. why 12 hours?
1F Yes
2 Yes
3. NO, Hell no and for clarification, hell ****ing NO! Keep the US military out of politics.
3A. See 3
3B-4. Sure
 
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hog88 said:
1A. Yes
1B. Yes
1c Yes
1D. why 12 hours?
1F Yes
2 Yes
3. NO, Hell no and for clarification, hell ****ing NO! Keep the US military out of politics.
3A. See 3
3B-4. Sure
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Well, it's simple on number 3, Hog, it's just counting.

Again, neutral and unbiased observers doing the count. That's where the vast majority of the ire comes from.

And I say 12 hours because in this day and age if you can get the winner of Dancing With the Stars during a five minute commercial break, you can determine the next leader of the free world in 12 hours after polls close. None of this "well, we're going to wait to start counting ballots" nonsense.
 
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hog88 said:
1A. Yes
1B. Yes
1c Yes
1D. why 12 hours?
1F Yes
2 Yes
3. NO, Hell no and for clarification, hell ****ing NO! Keep the US military out of politics.
3A. See 3
3B-4. Sure
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Yeah I dont what percentage of the armed forces are jarheads but we need to keep the crayon eaters away.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah I dont what percentage of the armed forces are jarheads but we need to keep the crayon eaters away.
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They know how to add and subtract. Kinda have to in order to make those crayons and glue last.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, real options here.

1: National standard for voting consisting of:
1A: Photo ID matches voter
1B: Signature cards on file that are matched with each and every absentee or mail vote received
1C: All votes will be received by, not postmarked by, election day
1D: Ballots counts are started when polls open and must conclude no later than 12 hours after polls close
1E: Balots are only sent upon request to registered voters
1F: No same day registrations
2: Equal representation of poll watchers including any party on the ballot for POTUS
3: Ballot counting will be the role of the US Armed Forces Active Duty component. They are typically the most non-partisan government agency with generally the highest amount of public trust and approval
3A: Armed Forces will secure ballots and counting locations with the aforementioned voting monitors allowed access, but no interference
3B: All vote tallies will be transmitted to the State Capital where a complete tabulation will be done, certified and hand carried to the Secretary of State and announced in a joint press conference.
3C: No bags, backpacks, boxes or containers of any kind are allowed in a count facility
4: All votes will have a paper backup archived for a minimum of 20 years at a secured facility of the DoD

We live in a digital age where results should almost be instantaneous. We should know no later than the following morning who our new (or incumbent) President is.

Local and state election officials are too open to fraud, bribery and interference. Take it out of their hands and give it to a neutral party the public trusts.
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1C, no. It cant be a week later or something, but if the IRS takes our money postmarked then so can the votes.
1d, partial no. Or maybe just a clarification. What about early votes? And with all the different votes going on, with tons of different standards, 12 seems short. I would say it has to be continuous. Again what nevada did was janky as all get out.
1f. No. Why? There shouldnt be any wait period on any rights.
3a,b, c. Nope nope nope. We dont want to tie the military any more to politics. The military should be about fighting wars.
4. Disagree again with DoD involvement. 20 years makes no sense. They should only be kept as long as there is any outstanding questions. After that it's just manipulation and possible voter suppression.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They know how to add and subtract. Kinda have to in order to make those crayons and glue last.
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See my other post too.

Then leave them to it. What happens when they get challenged? Civilians vs the military? If you have 12 hours to count you are going to have "deployed" or off station military at polls or counts? That just strikes me too much as Putins green men standing guard at the Crimean votes. Nope nope nope.
 
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LouderVol said:
1C, no. It cant be a week later or something, but if the IRS takes our money postmarked then so can the votes.
1d, partial no. Or maybe just a clarification. What about early votes? And with all the different votes going on, with tons of different standards, 12 seems short. I would say it has to be continuous. Again what nevada did was janky as all get out.
1f. No. Why? There shouldnt be any wait period on any rights.
3a,b, c. Nope nope nope. We dont want to tie the military any more to politics. The military should be about fighting wars.
4. Disagree again with DoD involvement. 20 years makes no sense. They should only be kept as long as there is any outstanding questions. After that it's just manipulation and possible voter suppression.
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Because people haven't learned to play by the rules as far as I'm concerned. That's why I suggest the military.

The tax day thing is almost a valid point. But how many post offices do you hear of that are accused of backdating the postmark for tax day?

Sorry, but it's not like you don't have plenty of time to mail that thing in prior to the election.
 
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LouderVol said:
See my other post too.

Then leave them to it. What happens when they get challenged? Civilians vs the military? If you have 12 hours to count you are going to have "deployed" or off station military at polls or counts? That just strikes me too much as Putins green men standing guard at the Crimean votes. Nope nope nope.
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If we occupied Ontario and told them to vote on a referendum for joining the US, your argument of Putin and Crimea bears weight.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Because people haven't learned to play by the rules as far as I'm concerned. That's why I suggest the military.

The tax day thing is almost a valid point. But how many post offices do you hear of that are accused of backdating the postmark for tax day?

Sorry, but it's not like you don't have plenty of time to mail that thing in prior to the election.
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It goes back to my voter registration point. There shouldnt be a time delay on a right. Not saying that people are going to change their vote from trump to Biden day of, but they may decide it is worth voting at all. And any legal means of voting (they would have to have the ballot) should be counted. If you can count vote that day in person you can vote that day via absentee.

The post office argument of back dating doesnt make sense as an exclusionary reason. The same post office could just hold delivery as well if they wanted to effect the counts. Regardless of the date on it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If we occupied Ontario and told them to vote on a referendum for joining the US, your argument of Putin and Crimea bears weight.
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Whether or not you want to admit it the military has ties with the MIC, and they very much have a vested interest in elections.

Let's play this out for this election. Trump is the incumbent, the CiC. He activates the military to do the counts. Trump knows he is behind, and he can apply pressure. I see no reason to trust the military more than volunteers. They are getting paid by the .gov.
 
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LouderVol said:
Whether or not you want to admit it the military has ties with the MIC, and they very much have a vested interest in elections.

Let's play this out for this election. Trump is the incumbent, the CiC. He activates the military to do the counts. Trump knows he is behind, and he can apply pressure. I see no reason to trust the military more than volunteers. They are getting paid by the .gov.
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The military leadership is under no obligation to accept and follow what they consider an unlawful order according to the UCMJ. If the process by which the military will process the election results is detailed and codified I’d expect them to follow it to the T and would view them with the most trust to do so.

That being said I really don’t want to believe we cannot find even partisan volunteers who would not take this duty seriously and discharge their duties without partisan agenda. If we are actually at that point then this country has absolutely failed in its custodianship of our democratic processes.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The military leadership is under no obligation to accept and follow what they consider an unlawful order according to the UCMJ. If the process by which the military will process the election results is detailed and codified I’d expect them to follow it to the T and would view them with the most trust to do so.

That being said I really don’t want to believe we cannot find even partisan volunteers who would not take this duty seriously and discharge their duties without partisan agenda. If we are actually at that point then this country has absolutely failed in its custodianship of our democratic processes.
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No one is under obligation to follow illegal orders....so that's not exclusive to the military.

As long as there is something to gain, people will find a way to exploit it. The MIC has some of the deepest pockets with the most to gain or lose.
 
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LouderVol said:
No one is under obligation to follow illegal orders....so that's not exclusive to the military.

As long as there is something to gain, people will find a way to exploit it. The MIC has some of the deepest pockets with the most to gain or lose.
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So basically you don’t put more trust in the military leadership than you’re willing to impart on civilian leadership? It’s not an accusation I’m just making sure I understand.

From my experience I’ve never met a group that to the individual puts duty and integrity above personal views than our military leadership both commissioned and non commissioned. That’s just my own opinion though.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
This needs to go to the courts, it needs to shown that fraud occurred. If anything it makes it known how corrupt the new marxist is.
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Several cases already went to court. Judges asked for evidence, and the Trump Campaign had no evidence -- just the usual pack of lies ginned up for their idiot cult followers.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So basically you don’t put more trust in the military leadership than you’re willing to impart on civilian leadership? It’s not an accusation I’m just making sure I understand.

From my experience I’ve never met a group that to the individual puts duty and integrity above personal views than our military leadership both commissioned and non commissioned. That’s just my own opinion though.
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More precisely I dont trust anyone connected to the government acting on part of the government over a civilian.

It's not their job. They suposed to be nation builders or babysitters in other nations, I dont want them doing that here either.
 
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LouderVol said:
Whether or not you want to admit it the military has ties with the MIC, and they very much have a vested interest in elections.

Let's play this out for this election. Trump is the incumbent, the CiC. He activates the military to do the counts. Trump knows he is behind, and he can apply pressure. I see no reason to trust the military more than volunteers. They are getting paid by the .gov.
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Higher ups in the military, sure.

To me, it's a trust issue. I don't trust "volunteers"
 
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